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	<title>Comments on: Missing the Point on Troopergate&#8230; Entirely</title>
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		<title>By: alaskop</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22272/missing-the-point-on-troopergate-entirely/comment-page-1/#comment-126147</link>
		<dc:creator>alaskop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vendetta is exactly what Troopergate is about. It&#039;s no secret that Palin told people that as Governor she was going to have Wooten&#039;s badge. Trooper HQ would have been more than happy to fire Wooten IF Palin and company had brought in new evidence of wrong doing by Wooten. Palin didn&#039;t have any new evidence and wanted Wooten fired based on the old allegations he was disciplined over under Col. Julia Grimes. This is clearly a case of an &quot;enemies list&quot; and abuse of office. I will bet money that Palin has already spoken to the Secret Service to try and have Wooten fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vendetta is exactly what Troopergate is about. It&#39;s no secret that Palin told people that as Governor she was going to have Wooten&#39;s badge. Trooper HQ would have been more than happy to fire Wooten IF Palin and company had brought in new evidence of wrong doing by Wooten. Palin didn&#39;t have any new evidence and wanted Wooten fired based on the old allegations he was disciplined over under Col. Julia Grimes. This is clearly a case of an &#8220;enemies list&#8221; and abuse of office. I will bet money that Palin has already spoken to the Secret Service to try and have Wooten fired.</p>
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		<title>By: alaskop</title>
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		<dc:creator>alaskop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vendetta is exactly what Troopergate is about. It&#039;s no secret that Palin told people that as Governor she was going to have Wooten&#039;s badge. Trooper HQ would have been more than happy to fire Wooten IF Palin and company had brought in new evidence of wrong doing by Wooten. Palin didn&#039;t have any new evidence and wanted Wooten fired based on the old allegations he was disciplined over under Col. Julia Grimes. This is clearly a case of an &quot;enemies list&quot; and abuse of office. I will bet money that Palin has already spoken to the Secret Service to try and have Wooten fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vendetta is exactly what Troopergate is about. It&#39;s no secret that Palin told people that as Governor she was going to have Wooten&#39;s badge. Trooper HQ would have been more than happy to fire Wooten IF Palin and company had brought in new evidence of wrong doing by Wooten. Palin didn&#39;t have any new evidence and wanted Wooten fired based on the old allegations he was disciplined over under Col. Julia Grimes. This is clearly a case of an &#8220;enemies list&#8221; and abuse of office. I will bet money that Palin has already spoken to the Secret Service to try and have Wooten fired.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elrod,&lt;br&gt;At least Bill didn&#039;t fire Monica ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elrod,<br />At least Bill didn&#39;t fire Monica <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,&lt;br&gt;She is under official investigation by the Alaska legislature. If she fired Walt Monegan  simply because he wouldn&#039;t get rid of a state trooper who was abusing Palin&#039;s sister, then she has abused her executive power. After all, she wasn&#039;t about to use that power to force the firing of just any old rancid troopers. In fact, the Right went after the Clintons for this sort of stuff in the 1990s all the time. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, and if the legislative investigation finds that she did, in fact, abuse her power, she could be indicted. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Spiro Agnew all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />She is under official investigation by the Alaska legislature. If she fired Walt Monegan  simply because he wouldn&#39;t get rid of a state trooper who was abusing Palin&#39;s sister, then she has abused her executive power. After all, she wasn&#39;t about to use that power to force the firing of just any old rancid troopers. In fact, the Right went after the Clintons for this sort of stuff in the 1990s all the time. </p>
<p>Oh, and if the legislative investigation finds that she did, in fact, abuse her power, she could be indicted. </p>
<p>Spiro Agnew all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This dog won&#039;t hunt &amp; the flailing about by the Dems simply makes the contrast between MSM inertness vis-a-vis Dem faux-pas [Rezko, Ayers &amp; Co, Rev Wright, all of which had to be brought up by cable nets] versus their rabid desire to chew over Repub problems, as the NYT hilariously attempted with V. Iseman &amp; is now attempting on a very local matter [the trooper had been abusing his spouse, there are other mitigating factor].&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just love it when the MSM &amp; their leftist nutroot allies strain at every Republican gnat while swallowing dozens of Dem camels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This dog won&#39;t hunt &#038; the flailing about by the Dems simply makes the contrast between MSM inertness vis-a-vis Dem faux-pas [Rezko, Ayers &#038; Co, Rev Wright, all of which had to be brought up by cable nets] versus their rabid desire to chew over Repub problems, as the NYT hilariously attempted with V. Iseman &#038; is now attempting on a very local matter [the trooper had been abusing his spouse, there are other mitigating factor].</p>
<p>I just love it when the MSM &#038; their leftist nutroot allies strain at every Republican gnat while swallowing dozens of Dem camels.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Jazz. It&#039;s not a party thing. Individuals in both parties are capable of abuse of authority. And those that do need to be weeded out. They sure as heck shouldn&#039;t be promoted. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I were truly partisan I&#039;d let the above insinuation stand and say nothing more. But I&#039;m not, so I will... Everyone needs to keep in mind that Palin is under investigation. That&#039;s more serious than mere allegations, but by the same token it implies nothing at all about her true culpability. She has not been indicted for anything, and she certainly hasn&#039;t been found guilty of anything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But goodness, considering the way things stand in her case, McCain took one hell of a chance picking her to be his running mate. Apparently at least one of the investigations are scheduled to release their findings in the first couple of days in November. No matter what kind of positive impression Palin makes between now and then, if the findings conclude she was culpable McCain is toast. Likewise (and regardless of the findings), if Palin fails to make a positive impression between now and then McCain is toast. The only way this pick works is if everything goes really, really well -- so well that the GOP establishment rethinks how much of a slap in the face his pick is. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basically, he&#039;s counting on turning a battleship around on a dime. That&#039;s a laudable ambition, but not a very realistic one. And even if he manages to turn it, it&#039;s now become even more inscrutable what his eventual bearings will be. Will Palin knuckle under to McCain&#039;s insistence that ANWR remain pristine? Will Palin agree with McCain that global warming really is a big deal? Where do they stand on immigration these days? How about stem cell research? What about Iraq -- or any other foreign policy venue? Where do they stand on taxing oil companies and distributing the proceeds to low income individuals? What about health care? So many unanswered questions, and only less than 70 days to answer them. And if they don&#039;t, then they become the less safe alternative. Who woulda guessed THAT last week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re right Jazz. It&#39;s not a party thing. Individuals in both parties are capable of abuse of authority. And those that do need to be weeded out. They sure as heck shouldn&#39;t be promoted. </p>
<p>If I were truly partisan I&#39;d let the above insinuation stand and say nothing more. But I&#39;m not, so I will&#8230; Everyone needs to keep in mind that Palin is under investigation. That&#39;s more serious than mere allegations, but by the same token it implies nothing at all about her true culpability. She has not been indicted for anything, and she certainly hasn&#39;t been found guilty of anything.</p>
<p>But goodness, considering the way things stand in her case, McCain took one hell of a chance picking her to be his running mate. Apparently at least one of the investigations are scheduled to release their findings in the first couple of days in November. No matter what kind of positive impression Palin makes between now and then, if the findings conclude she was culpable McCain is toast. Likewise (and regardless of the findings), if Palin fails to make a positive impression between now and then McCain is toast. The only way this pick works is if everything goes really, really well &#8212; so well that the GOP establishment rethinks how much of a slap in the face his pick is. </p>
<p>Basically, he&#39;s counting on turning a battleship around on a dime. That&#39;s a laudable ambition, but not a very realistic one. And even if he manages to turn it, it&#39;s now become even more inscrutable what his eventual bearings will be. Will Palin knuckle under to McCain&#39;s insistence that ANWR remain pristine? Will Palin agree with McCain that global warming really is a big deal? Where do they stand on immigration these days? How about stem cell research? What about Iraq &#8212; or any other foreign policy venue? Where do they stand on taxing oil companies and distributing the proceeds to low income individuals? What about health care? So many unanswered questions, and only less than 70 days to answer them. And if they don&#39;t, then they become the less safe alternative. Who woulda guessed THAT last week?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz, thanks.  You&#039;re right... it does happen with both parties... it just seems to me that the GOP does it more then the Dems.  I think part of it has to do with the Republicans being in power until the 2006 mid-term elections.  I&#039;ve posted on here before that if the Dems win the WH and control Congress that we&#039;ll see a lot of corruption on the Dems part in the next couple of years... I think a healthy balance is to have a WH and Congress controlled by separate parties... and the two branches willing to compromise on issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz, thanks.  You&#39;re right&#8230; it does happen with both parties&#8230; it just seems to me that the GOP does it more then the Dems.  I think part of it has to do with the Republicans being in power until the 2006 mid-term elections.  I&#39;ve posted on here before that if the Dems win the WH and control Congress that we&#39;ll see a lot of corruption on the Dems part in the next couple of years&#8230; I think a healthy balance is to have a WH and Congress controlled by separate parties&#8230; and the two branches willing to compromise on issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StockBoySF, while I appreciate your agreement in principle, this is a problem that crosses party lines. I live in New York where Eliot Spitzer had his own &quot;troopergate&quot; earlier, and we could make a list of politicians that would swamp page after page of web space showing sad examples from both parties. It&#039;s hardly only a Republican problem, nor would I say it was even significantly &quot;more&quot; of a Republican problem, really, but something that we should, as voters, watch all of our executives for, regardless of party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StockBoySF, while I appreciate your agreement in principle, this is a problem that crosses party lines. I live in New York where Eliot Spitzer had his own &#8220;troopergate&#8221; earlier, and we could make a list of politicians that would swamp page after page of web space showing sad examples from both parties. It&#39;s hardly only a Republican problem, nor would I say it was even significantly &#8220;more&#8221; of a Republican problem, really, but something that we should, as voters, watch all of our executives for, regardless of party.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenKang</title>
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		<dc:creator>CitizenKang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>denisedh,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If, as you assume, the public expects that politicians use their official positions to pursue personal vendettas, then MCCain and Palin shuld welcome a thorough airing.  It&#039;ll prove they aren&#039;t &quot;hopelessly naive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>denisedh,</p>
<p>If, as you assume, the public expects that politicians use their official positions to pursue personal vendettas, then MCCain and Palin shuld welcome a thorough airing.  It&#39;ll prove they aren&#39;t &#8220;hopelessly naive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz, I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  And we should all remember that that&#039;s the Republican way- for folks in power to use resources for their own gain, whether that gain makes them feel better (because of a vendetta they get to act on) or for political gain.  Remember Terry Schiavo, the brain dead woman in FL a few years ago?  Sen. (and Dr.) Frist diagnosed her via video, congress passes a bill and President Bush flew from Crawford to DC to sign that bill into law.  All for political gain over an issue which should have been left to her husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz, I couldn&#39;t agree with you more.  And we should all remember that that&#39;s the Republican way- for folks in power to use resources for their own gain, whether that gain makes them feel better (because of a vendetta they get to act on) or for political gain.  Remember Terry Schiavo, the brain dead woman in FL a few years ago?  Sen. (and Dr.) Frist diagnosed her via video, congress passes a bill and President Bush flew from Crawford to DC to sign that bill into law.  All for political gain over an issue which should have been left to her husband.</p>
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		<title>By: denisedh</title>
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		<dc:creator>denisedh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz,&lt;br&gt;I think many Americans assume that those in elected office seek office for personal gain rather than public service and the ability to reward friends and punish enemies is just one of the perks of the position.  Politicians who present themselves as seeking office for the public good seem to be viewed as either lying or so hopelessly naive they would be eaten alive after elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz,<br />I think many Americans assume that those in elected office seek office for personal gain rather than public service and the ability to reward friends and punish enemies is just one of the perks of the position.  Politicians who present themselves as seeking office for the public good seem to be viewed as either lying or so hopelessly naive they would be eaten alive after elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good post. I think it helps to bring a little reality back to the blogosphere, which has been trying to spin the &quot;troopergate&quot; issue in various kinds of ways depending upon one&#039;s preferred ideology. But the underlying legal question is exactly as you have framed it. It&#039;s an abuse of authority question, not a question of whether the &quot;alleged&quot; creep she was going after deserved to get canned. In a way it&#039;s the Siegelman case writ small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good post. I think it helps to bring a little reality back to the blogosphere, which has been trying to spin the &#8220;troopergate&#8221; issue in various kinds of ways depending upon one&#39;s preferred ideology. But the underlying legal question is exactly as you have framed it. It&#39;s an abuse of authority question, not a question of whether the &#8220;alleged&#8221; creep she was going after deserved to get canned. In a way it&#39;s the Siegelman case writ small.</p>
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		<title>By: tjproudamerican</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good column. I am in New York State. Our ex-Governor would probably have been an ex-governor even without the Sex Scandal. An Elected Official cannot use her/his office to go after someone privately just because the Official thinks the person is bad.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember, Death Squads often begin targeting Drug Dealers and other &quot;undesirables&quot;. There is probably a great scandal in many places where Mayors, County Executives, District Attorneys and others all the way up to Governors, Chief of Staffs and Presidents misuse their authority to get &quot;Bad people&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nobody but a Christopher Hitchens would target Mother Theresa, so often the defense of Abuse of Power is that the person is saving the common good.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, the whole point of having laws and governments is so that people in power or otherwise cannot privately decide who is &quot;bad&quot; and punish them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sarah Palin may turn out to be a wonderful statesmen, but what we know of her right now, especially in light of her laughing at a cancer survivor Lyda Green being mocked and called names by Alaska&#039;s version of the ubiquitous &quot;shock jocks&quot;, is that she never had any intention of being President any time soon, so why should we elect her to be Vice President now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good column. I am in New York State. Our ex-Governor would probably have been an ex-governor even without the Sex Scandal. An Elected Official cannot use her/his office to go after someone privately just because the Official thinks the person is bad.</p>
<p>Remember, Death Squads often begin targeting Drug Dealers and other &#8220;undesirables&#8221;. There is probably a great scandal in many places where Mayors, County Executives, District Attorneys and others all the way up to Governors, Chief of Staffs and Presidents misuse their authority to get &#8220;Bad people&#8221;. </p>
<p>Nobody but a Christopher Hitchens would target Mother Theresa, so often the defense of Abuse of Power is that the person is saving the common good.</p>
<p>However, the whole point of having laws and governments is so that people in power or otherwise cannot privately decide who is &#8220;bad&#8221; and punish them.</p>
<p>Sarah Palin may turn out to be a wonderful statesmen, but what we know of her right now, especially in light of her laughing at a cancer survivor Lyda Green being mocked and called names by Alaska&#39;s version of the ubiquitous &#8220;shock jocks&#8221;, is that she never had any intention of being President any time soon, so why should we elect her to be Vice President now?</p>
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