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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130912</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just say this.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I propose a balance budget and term limits.  I think that pretty well addresses it all.</description>
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<p>I propose a balance budget and term limits.  I think that pretty well addresses it all.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130911</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon, I will do you the service of taking your post seriously enough to say this: Cynicism (which seems to be one of your mainstays) is not nearly as useful a first step as beginning with an ideal (however unproven - since goals don&#039;t spring from a vacuum). An ideal supported with belief and passion has been the beginning of any great accomplishment in this country so far. I can certainly appreciate the origins of cynicism in these troubled times, but in the end it serves no useful purpose, and is not an argument FOR anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon, I will do you the service of taking your post seriously enough to say this: Cynicism (which seems to be one of your mainstays) is not nearly as useful a first step as beginning with an ideal (however unproven &#8211; since goals don&#39;t spring from a vacuum). An ideal supported with belief and passion has been the beginning of any great accomplishment in this country so far. I can certainly appreciate the origins of cynicism in these troubled times, but in the end it serves no useful purpose, and is not an argument FOR anything.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130910</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon said: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I do not for a moment believe the democrats want a united America unless such America means an embracing of their agenda.&lt;/i&gt; &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And all this time Neocon has sworn the HE was a Democrat... and berated and called &#039;liar&#039; anyone who suspected that he was not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Neocon said: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I could go on and on and on and on and on.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems you have Neocon... on and on and on and on and on.... &amp; on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon said: &#8220;<i>I do not for a moment believe the democrats want a united America unless such America means an embracing of their agenda.</i> &#8220;</p>
<p>And all this time Neocon has sworn the HE was a Democrat&#8230; and berated and called &#39;liar&#39; anyone who suspected that he was not.</p>
<p>Neocon said: &#8220;<i>I could go on and on and on and on and on.</i>&#8220;</p>
<p>It seems you have Neocon&#8230; on and on and on and on and on&#8230;. &#038; on.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130909</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how neocon&#039;s talking points don&#039;t actually address or begin to solve the actual problems America faces. It must be sad to be part of an ideology that&#039;s so out of touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how neocon&#39;s talking points don&#39;t actually address or begin to solve the actual problems America faces. It must be sad to be part of an ideology that&#39;s so out of touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130908</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last comment, I promise not to hijack the thread. Obama&#039;s energy plan is similar to the Brazilian plan, and they are nearly energy independent. The USA is just going with near shore shallow drilling with no current plan for energy independence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last comment, I promise not to hijack the thread. Obama&#39;s energy plan is similar to the Brazilian plan, and they are nearly energy independent. The USA is just going with near shore shallow drilling with no current plan for energy independence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130907</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the link mentioned below, a quick glance at the data show what&#039;s going on with offshore drilling in USA Gom and Brazil.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rigs by region  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_report.asp?rpt=reg&quot;&gt;http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_report.asp?rpt=reg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brazil  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_ID=15&quot;&gt;http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;US GOM  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_ID=2&quot;&gt;http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brazil deepwater rig  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_id=566&quot;&gt;http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Typical US shallow rig  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_id=460&quot;&gt;http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brazil is active in all types of drilling, the USA not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the link mentioned below, a quick glance at the data show what&#39;s going on with offshore drilling in USA Gom and Brazil.</p>
<p>Rigs by region  <a href="http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_report.asp?rpt=reg">http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_report.asp?rpt=reg</a><br />Brazil  <a href="http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_ID=15">http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_&#8230;</a><br />US GOM  <a href="http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_ID=2">http://www.rigzone.com/data/results.asp?Region_&#8230;</a><br />Brazil deepwater rig  <a href="http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_id=566">http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_&#8230;</a><br />Typical US shallow rig  <a href="http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_id=460">http://www.rigzone.com/data/rig_detail.asp?rig_&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Brazil is active in all types of drilling, the USA not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130905</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon, enough of the Republican talking points.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can&#039;t find a link from over a week ago, but drilling rigs aren&#039;t available to drill now. The link I&#039;m searching for listed rigs/ships and capacity by country and the rigs aren&#039;t available. We can&#039;t really drill now. The oil companies want to drill near shore for more profits. It&#039;s a shame that Brazil leads us in deep and ultra-deep drilling(oil) and alternative fuels. We trail third world Brazil in energy independence, regardless of your Republican talking points.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a recent article from NYT&#039;s:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19dr...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As President Bush calls for repealing a ban on drilling off most of the coast of the United States, a shortage of ships used for deep-water offshore drilling promises to impede any rapid turnaround in oil exploration and supply.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In recent years, this global shortage of drill-ships has created a critical bottleneck, frustrating energy company executives and constraining their ability to exploit known reserves or find new ones. Slow growth in oil supplies, at a time of soaring demand, has been a major factor in the spike of oil and gasoline prices.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mr. Bush called on Congress Wednesday to end a longstanding federal ban on offshore drilling and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, arguing that the steps were needed to lower gasoline prices and bolster national security. But even as oil trades at more than $135 a barrel — up from $68 a year ago — the world’s existing drill-ships are booked solid for the next five years. Some oil companies have been forced to postpone exploration while waiting for a drilling rig, executives and analysts said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Demand is so high that shipbuilders, the biggest of whom are in Asia, have raised prices since last year by as much as $100 million a vessel to about half a billion dollars.&lt;br&gt;...&lt;br&gt;Samsung Heavy Industries&#039; latest drill ship, West Polaris. Demand is so high for drill ships that builders have raised prices as much as $100 million per vessel since last year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon, enough of the Republican talking points.</p>
<p>I can&#39;t find a link from over a week ago, but drilling rigs aren&#39;t available to drill now. The link I&#39;m searching for listed rigs/ships and capacity by country and the rigs aren&#39;t available. We can&#39;t really drill now. The oil companies want to drill near shore for more profits. It&#39;s a shame that Brazil leads us in deep and ultra-deep drilling(oil) and alternative fuels. We trail third world Brazil in energy independence, regardless of your Republican talking points.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s a recent article from NYT&#39;s:<br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19dr&#8230;</a><br />
<blockquote>As President Bush calls for repealing a ban on drilling off most of the coast of the United States, a shortage of ships used for deep-water offshore drilling promises to impede any rapid turnaround in oil exploration and supply.</p>
<p>In recent years, this global shortage of drill-ships has created a critical bottleneck, frustrating energy company executives and constraining their ability to exploit known reserves or find new ones. Slow growth in oil supplies, at a time of soaring demand, has been a major factor in the spike of oil and gasoline prices.</p>
<p>Mr. Bush called on Congress Wednesday to end a longstanding federal ban on offshore drilling and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, arguing that the steps were needed to lower gasoline prices and bolster national security. But even as oil trades at more than $135 a barrel — up from $68 a year ago — the world’s existing drill-ships are booked solid for the next five years. Some oil companies have been forced to postpone exploration while waiting for a drilling rig, executives and analysts said.</p>
<p>Demand is so high that shipbuilders, the biggest of whom are in Asia, have raised prices since last year by as much as $100 million a vessel to about half a billion dollars.<br />&#8230;<br />Samsung Heavy Industries&#39; latest drill ship, West Polaris. Demand is so high for drill ships that builders have raised prices as much as $100 million per vessel since last year.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/comment-page-1/#comment-130903</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. Forget about red states and blue states - think about the United States. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will give you one thing.  I will say okay, Barak Obama is sincere about this.  But what exactly does that mean?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Define that JSpencer.  Because everyone whom I&#039;ve asked that question of defines it in a way that puts forth their own democratic agenda and leaves the rest of those who do not endorse that agenda behind.  In the dust.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not for a moment believe the democrats want a united America unless such America means an embracing of their agenda.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not believe that Democrats want to drill for oil.  Only build green stuff in a bizarre belief that more electricity will lower the price at the pumps.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not believe that Democrats want to banish abortion, Only strengthen Roe v. Wade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not believe that Christian Democrats want to deny Gay Marriage.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not believe that democrats want to allow guns everywhere.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not believe that democrats want to no longer tax the rich.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could go on and on and on and on and on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The unification simply is fancy talk for Embracing the DEMOCRATIC platform.  That is why more than 1/2 of the country is not buying Mr. Obama&#039;s uniter speech.  These two candidates who vote party lines 96 percent of the time in NO ones book could be considered as uniters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes unity is a great thing.  The last time we had it was about 5 minutes after 911 until the democrats and the republicans could figure out a way to divide the country over patriotism for the sake of power...........piss on them both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. Forget about red states and blue states &#8211; think about the United States. </p>
<p>I will give you one thing.  I will say okay, Barak Obama is sincere about this.  But what exactly does that mean?</p>
<p>Define that JSpencer.  Because everyone whom I&#39;ve asked that question of defines it in a way that puts forth their own democratic agenda and leaves the rest of those who do not endorse that agenda behind.  In the dust.</p>
<p>I do not for a moment believe the democrats want a united America unless such America means an embracing of their agenda.  </p>
<p>I do not believe that Democrats want to drill for oil.  Only build green stuff in a bizarre belief that more electricity will lower the price at the pumps.</p>
<p>I do not believe that Democrats want to banish abortion, Only strengthen Roe v. Wade.</p>
<p>I do not believe that Christian Democrats want to deny Gay Marriage.  </p>
<p>I do not believe that democrats want to allow guns everywhere.</p>
<p>I do not believe that democrats want to no longer tax the rich.</p>
<p>I could go on and on and on and on and on.</p>
<p>The unification simply is fancy talk for Embracing the DEMOCRATIC platform.  That is why more than 1/2 of the country is not buying Mr. Obama&#39;s uniter speech.  These two candidates who vote party lines 96 percent of the time in NO ones book could be considered as uniters.</p>
<p>Yes unity is a great thing.  The last time we had it was about 5 minutes after 911 until the democrats and the republicans could figure out a way to divide the country over patriotism for the sake of power&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..piss on them both.</p>
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		<title>By: chennaibangaloremumbaidelhi.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Full text of Barack obama acceptance speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>chennaibangaloremumbaidelhi.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Full text of Barack obama acceptance speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Time for Bare-Knuckled Eloquence themoderatevoice.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s calling for true patriotism- the kind where you put the good of the country above the good of the party. But  attractive as that sounds, it will be difficult to put into practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#39;s calling for true patriotism- the kind where you put the good of the country above the good of the party. But  attractive as that sounds, it will be difficult to put into practice.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s smart enough to realize that we can&#039;t face our enemies if we&#039;re destroying our country&#039;s future ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#39;s smart enough to realize that we can&#39;t face our enemies if we&#39;re destroying our country&#39;s future ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciated the appeal to unity. Forget about red states and blue states - think about the United States. I do believe Obama is sincere about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciated the appeal to unity. Forget about red states and blue states &#8211; think about the United States. I do believe Obama is sincere about this.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes it&#039;s important to have the right enemies. I&#039;d rather have conservatives criticize liberal policies in the speech than call it vapid. If this election is between the generic Democrat and generic Republican, we know who wins. That&#039;s the calculation Obama made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes it&#39;s important to have the right enemies. I&#39;d rather have conservatives criticize liberal policies in the speech than call it vapid. If this election is between the generic Democrat and generic Republican, we know who wins. That&#39;s the calculation Obama made.</p>
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		<title>By: barack obama acceptance speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>barack obama acceptance speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] judgment, to serve as the next commander in chief,??? obama said, ???that??s a debate I??m ready http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bush-administration/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/Read &quot;Re: Obama Acceptance Speech Sold Out&quot; at Political World Forum Bossfan950 wrote: obama [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] judgment, to serve as the next commander in chief,??? obama said, ???that??s a debate I??m ready <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bush-administration/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/Read" rel="nofollow">http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bush-administration/22209/time-for-bare-knuckled-eloquence/Read</a> &#8220;Re: Obama Acceptance Speech Sold Out&#8221; at Political World Forum Bossfan950 wrote: obama [...]</p>
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