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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS- the media were hardest on H. Clinton--- not McCain. McCain and Obama have been treated well-- McCain as a former POW and all-American hero, and Obama as a savior of the Dem party and country. H Clinton was portrayed as unlikeable and witchy (tho competent). The media obsessed over rare misstatements and over her fashion statements and jokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS- the media were hardest on H. Clinton&#8212; not McCain. McCain and Obama have been treated well&#8211; McCain as a former POW and all-American hero, and Obama as a savior of the Dem party and country. H Clinton was portrayed as unlikeable and witchy (tho competent). The media obsessed over rare misstatements and over her fashion statements and jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised the attacks on the GOP haven&#039;t broadened to include Rove more frequently -- at least, not yet.  GOP, the party of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gitmo, Katrina, and ... McCain ... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The basic strategy is there for voters and Obama can even challenge those who threaten to defect to McCain from Clinton, in a Reaganesque way.  &quot;I say to you: If you really believe that more of the same is what America needs more than the change I offer you, then you should vote for John McCain this November.  If you are like so many others instead who have tired of the Republicans&#039; failures in Washington and see a need for a change in order for America to be better, you should vote for me this November.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After all, though it&#039;s not that conclusive, it pretty much is generally so -- that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m surprised the attacks on the GOP haven&#39;t broadened to include Rove more frequently &#8212; at least, not yet.  GOP, the party of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gitmo, Katrina, and &#8230; McCain &#8230; </p>
<p>The basic strategy is there for voters and Obama can even challenge those who threaten to defect to McCain from Clinton, in a Reaganesque way.  &#8220;I say to you: If you really believe that more of the same is what America needs more than the change I offer you, then you should vote for John McCain this November.  If you are like so many others instead who have tired of the Republicans&#39; failures in Washington and see a need for a change in order for America to be better, you should vote for me this November.&#8221;</p>
<p>After all, though it&#39;s not that conclusive, it pretty much is generally so &#8212; that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I thought Joe was going to say Hugh Hewitt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kathryn, you&#039;re dead wrong about the media (other than Fox once in a while).  [sigh]&lt;br&gt;The Media are Dem cheerleaders and Obama campaign auxiliaries this year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain needs a real conservative to have a chance at appearing truly different than the Dems.  (Dem convention &quot;Sidekick&quot; ace comment notwithstanding)  The other choice McCain can make to be distinctive is to choose Lieberman and try to poach Clinton voters and appeal to a broad group of swing voters.  Either way McCain is still weaker than Obama and represents the GOP status quo in the minds of most.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most logical choice is Romney, whom I don&#039;t like (I call him the teevee anchor; also he has compromised his &quot;conservatism&quot;), but many do like him and note that Romney among the four main actors, if chosen for VP (Biden, McCain, Obama, Romney) is the one best qualified on the basis of executive experience and of business experience, something badly needed in government (not business&#039;s bidding a la Cheney and energy companies; spare us the cheap shots, please).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even with Romney I believe McCain will remain on the defensive and much for McCain and Romney or whomever will depend on any exposure of the Dems&#039; threatening to go too far left and repel voters in substantial numbers. Romney&#039;s business experience and a sense of the GOP being &quot;safe and sane&quot; versus a too-left Democratic Washington has no large-scale appeal, though; this is a year of style over substance and yes, a desire for change, as indicated by the 2006 election results and a failure of the GOP to have learned and changed since then.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have a dim view of the GOP convention and the GOP&#039;s prospects, though you never know -- Gore gave us a miracle in 2000 and we may get another one yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I thought Joe was going to say Hugh Hewitt.</p>
<p>Kathryn, you&#39;re dead wrong about the media (other than Fox once in a while).  [sigh]<br />The Media are Dem cheerleaders and Obama campaign auxiliaries this year.</p>
<p>McCain needs a real conservative to have a chance at appearing truly different than the Dems.  (Dem convention &#8220;Sidekick&#8221; ace comment notwithstanding)  The other choice McCain can make to be distinctive is to choose Lieberman and try to poach Clinton voters and appeal to a broad group of swing voters.  Either way McCain is still weaker than Obama and represents the GOP status quo in the minds of most.</p>
<p>The most logical choice is Romney, whom I don&#39;t like (I call him the teevee anchor; also he has compromised his &#8220;conservatism&#8221;), but many do like him and note that Romney among the four main actors, if chosen for VP (Biden, McCain, Obama, Romney) is the one best qualified on the basis of executive experience and of business experience, something badly needed in government (not business&#39;s bidding a la Cheney and energy companies; spare us the cheap shots, please).</p>
<p>Even with Romney I believe McCain will remain on the defensive and much for McCain and Romney or whomever will depend on any exposure of the Dems&#39; threatening to go too far left and repel voters in substantial numbers. Romney&#39;s business experience and a sense of the GOP being &#8220;safe and sane&#8221; versus a too-left Democratic Washington has no large-scale appeal, though; this is a year of style over substance and yes, a desire for change, as indicated by the 2006 election results and a failure of the GOP to have learned and changed since then.</p>
<p>I have a dim view of the GOP convention and the GOP&#39;s prospects, though you never know &#8212; Gore gave us a miracle in 2000 and we may get another one yet.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathryn- I agree with most of their comment, but the reason the GOP is in so much trouble is their failure to make the trains run on time when they had all of the means to do so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; That is what was so shocking about the aftermath of Katrina and the mismanagement of the Iraq War during the first 5 years. Yes, people rely on the GOP for competence, but the last competent president was actually a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathryn- I agree with most of their comment, but the reason the GOP is in so much trouble is their failure to make the trains run on time when they had all of the means to do so.</p>
<p> That is what was so shocking about the aftermath of Katrina and the mismanagement of the Iraq War during the first 5 years. Yes, people rely on the GOP for competence, but the last competent president was actually a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry I didn&#039;t read this before my rant after Shaun&#039;s post, but I don&#039;t have the same read from this Politico story as Joe.  This VP pick is going to be causing waves in some part of the GOP no matter who it is.  Exposing the cracks in the &quot;unity facade&quot; doesn&#039;t make the GOP look very professional.  In fact this I think is more important than the PUMA dance.  People expect the Dem&#039;s to be messy.  The GOP is the rock of stability.  They may be nasty SOB&#039;s but hey they are organized and make the trains run on time.  Why they wouldn&#039;t want to portray the party as orgasmic over any VP pick is a head scratcher.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess the reason that they do this is because they can be pretty darned sure that no one in the media is going to call them on it.  The &quot;liberal&quot; media receives the GOP talking points/meme and repeats them verbatim because they are so terrified of being accused of  bias.  The one different thing this time is Mr. Maverick himself.  He is a loose cannon who hates being told what to do.  Is it possible that his desire to win is keeping that cannon under wraps? Sadly yes, when you sell your soul, you sell your personality as well.  But I will hate to see the eruption that&#039;s going to come if he wins after keeping this all inside.   The VP pick is going to matter a great deal this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry I didn&#39;t read this before my rant after Shaun&#39;s post, but I don&#39;t have the same read from this Politico story as Joe.  This VP pick is going to be causing waves in some part of the GOP no matter who it is.  Exposing the cracks in the &#8220;unity facade&#8221; doesn&#39;t make the GOP look very professional.  In fact this I think is more important than the PUMA dance.  People expect the Dem&#39;s to be messy.  The GOP is the rock of stability.  They may be nasty SOB&#39;s but hey they are organized and make the trains run on time.  Why they wouldn&#39;t want to portray the party as orgasmic over any VP pick is a head scratcher.  </p>
<p>I guess the reason that they do this is because they can be pretty darned sure that no one in the media is going to call them on it.  The &#8220;liberal&#8221; media receives the GOP talking points/meme and repeats them verbatim because they are so terrified of being accused of  bias.  The one different thing this time is Mr. Maverick himself.  He is a loose cannon who hates being told what to do.  Is it possible that his desire to win is keeping that cannon under wraps? Sadly yes, when you sell your soul, you sell your personality as well.  But I will hate to see the eruption that&#39;s going to come if he wins after keeping this all inside.   The VP pick is going to matter a great deal this time.</p>
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		<title>By: C-SPAN Convention Hub: The Republicans &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who&#8217;s Killing the Lieberman VP Boomlet?</title>
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		<dc:creator>C-SPAN Convention Hub: The Republicans &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who&#8217;s Killing the Lieberman VP Boomlet?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that enough conservative Repub evangelicals would swallow Lieberman to offset defections because of L&#039;s anti-abortion stance.   Lieberman&#039;s staunch foreign policy cred &amp; support for Israel &amp; against subversion or terrorism from other nations [including a resurgent Russia] would trump the Right-to-Lifers&#039; strong resistance.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would prefer a strong CEO type like Romney who has actually met a payroll, but I am also pro-Joe &amp; pro Condi Rice [a Quinnipiac poll shows McCain/Condi ticket beating Obama by FIVE POINTS in NY State of all places].   Rice would get both some female &amp; black holdouts against a non-slave descendant like Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plus she&#039;s smarter than anyone in the US Senate on foreign policy, including Biden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that enough conservative Repub evangelicals would swallow Lieberman to offset defections because of L&#39;s anti-abortion stance.   Lieberman&#39;s staunch foreign policy cred &#038; support for Israel &#038; against subversion or terrorism from other nations [including a resurgent Russia] would trump the Right-to-Lifers&#39; strong resistance.  </p>
<p>I would prefer a strong CEO type like Romney who has actually met a payroll, but I am also pro-Joe &#038; pro Condi Rice [a Quinnipiac poll shows McCain/Condi ticket beating Obama by FIVE POINTS in NY State of all places].   Rice would get both some female &#038; black holdouts against a non-slave descendant like Obama. </p>
<p>Plus she&#39;s smarter than anyone in the US Senate on foreign policy, including Biden.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Novak notably used Rove as a secondary source for the Plame leak. it was rumored up here in DC that Novak sent a copy of his column to Rove BEFORE it was published. Novak is an administration ally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Novak notably used Rove as a secondary source for the Plame leak. it was rumored up here in DC that Novak sent a copy of his column to Rove BEFORE it was published. Novak is an administration ally.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindaKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot see the acceptance by anyone that does not make big promises for stopping abortion, even though the Republicans have been making the promise since at least Reagan.  I also think many would not accept a woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot see the acceptance by anyone that does not make big promises for stopping abortion, even though the Republicans have been making the promise since at least Reagan.  I also think many would not accept a woman.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Republican VP pick leaks put tomorrow I hope all the newspapers put it on page 2.  Or at least below the fold on page 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Republican VP pick leaks put tomorrow I hope all the newspapers put it on page 2.  Or at least below the fold on page 1.</p>
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		<title>By: mitt romney vice president</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitt romney vice president</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an ordained Pentacostal minister here in Tennessee - and diehard Republican - tell me point blank that evangelicals will not vote for a ticket with Romney on it. The anti-Mormon bigotry is very strong in the South.  Anti-black racism may overcome that. But the level of distrust of Mormonism is huge among evangelicals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an ordained Pentacostal minister here in Tennessee &#8211; and diehard Republican &#8211; tell me point blank that evangelicals will not vote for a ticket with Romney on it. The anti-Mormon bigotry is very strong in the South.  Anti-black racism may overcome that. But the level of distrust of Mormonism is huge among evangelicals.</p>
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