Comments on: Clinton Speech: Good On Style But Will It Last

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:36 +0000

Shameless attention seeking behavior. Tsk tsk…

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:28:21 +0000

It was a lousy speech, and now do we really care what Bill Clinton has to say tonight?

Just go fast forward to Obama's spectacle and be done with it. After last night, the Dems currently appear to offer nothing else.

They need to do much better tonight, not only with Bill Clinton but with other speakers.

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:48:59 +0000

Patrick : “However the nice thing about our system is we are free to disagree, eh ?”

Absolutely, and I don't think you're a “partisan hack” either. I just thought the part of the speech you referred to as “backhanded” was actually a necessary step in validating her “core” supporters so they would feel free to move forward.

By: Jim_Satterfield

Jim_Satterfield — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:44:44 +0000

Patrick,

The average HRC supporter isn't a PUMA supporter. They are a minority within that large group of Americans.

By: Patrick E

Patrick E — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:42:00 +0000

Well I think this will probably be my last comment since we've all pretty much made our points clear and so we should move on.

But my basic point was and still is that it was a great speech and one that served to rally the delegates in the hall but I am not convinced it will reach to the average HRC voter out in the country.

I still think BTW that Obama WILL win in November, so please don't put me in the partisan hack category.

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:21:57 +0000

Elrod's first comment nailed it.

The Clinton delegates were screaming Obama's name--- not McCain's in the convention hall. That's good enough for me.

Hillary supporters know that theres miles of differences on the all-important issues between their girl and the ex POW, and that it would be a sacrilige to betray what Ms Clinton stands for.

By: elrod

elrod — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:05:04 +0000

Kennedy's 1980 speech was notorious for his refusal to shake Carter's hand. This speech was so different from Kennedy's.

By: Patrick E

Patrick E — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:48:19 +0000

Well as I said I think it was an excellent speech. But Senator Kennedy gave an excellent speech at the 1980 convention yet it did not do enough to bring his supporters over to Carter.

I think her speech was good and I think it helped with the Clinton delegates in the hall. I'm just not as convinced it did what it really needed in terms of bringing the average Clinton voter at home.

However the nice thing about our system is we are free to disagree, eh ?

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:41:13 +0000

Looks like you heard a different speech than I did Patrick. I think Hillary absolutely nailed it. It's easy to see why her supporters have been so impassioned, and she accomplished exactly what was desired. If she brings this kind of focus and passion to Obama's campaign over the next couple months, then John McCain ain't gonna like it. Also what Elrod said.

By: elrod

elrod — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:40:17 +0000

You miss the point. It isn't the substance of all the campaign-style anecdotes that matter. It's the public statement of support for Obama and opposition to McCain that matter. It's the anti-McCain zingers that matter. It's the statement that her campaign is not about her but about America. She delegitimized the PUMAs.