Comments on: A God-Botherer’s Thoughts on the Saddleback “Holier than Thou” Forum

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:05:37 +0000

“How many other presidents feel the moral weight of their war decisions like LBJ?”

I can't think of any president since LBJ who gave any sign he was “inconvenienced” by his conscience. I've yet to see any indication that GWB even has one.

By: Marlowecan

Marlowecan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:35:47 +0000

“Matters of spirit and morality will be in evidence by deeds anyway, not by degrees of metaphysical blathering.”

Very true, JS! “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt 7:16).

Morality has little to do with pontificating. I believe LBJ was a very moral president. He launched the Great Society, pushed through the Civil Rights act, and . . . feeling trapped by a Vietnam War he did not care for and knew – as early as 64 – that it was a disaster . . . left office depressed and dispirited. A broken flawed titan.

How many other presidents feel the moral weight of their war decisions like LBJ?

By: Marlowecan

Marlowecan — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:26:15 +0000

"Why did the representative of a church—and one specific sort of Christian church at that—moderate a debate between political candidates for the highest office in the land?"

An excellent F*****G question!
Seriously. All politics and ideology aside.

Why is Damozel the only person I have seen who has asked this question?

Has the paradigm of American politics shifted so much that this does not seem odd?

Everyone focuses on who won...who lost...even the folks at Kos.
Beyond that is the meta-question of spin.
But no one seems to question why Warren is somehow the arbiter of presidential power?

This somehow seems a violation of basic constitutional principles to me. I can't recall anything similar happening before. Very troubling.

And why is Damozel the only person I have seen who raises this issue?

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Some Thoughts on the “Holier than Thou” Forum at Saddleback & A … — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:41:25 +0000

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By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:29:06 +0000

“What I want is for Rick Warren, the religious PAC that has endorsed Obama, and all representatives of all religions to keep their church out of my state.” – Damozel

Amen!!!! When it comes to leadership, I care about ability to understand needs and capablity to implement sane policy, rather than who someone wants to call their fairy godmother. Matters of spirit and morality will be in evidence by deeds anyway, not by degrees of metaphysical blathering.

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:52:28 +0000

"What on earth is the underlying message of holding such a forum, if not to establish that the American people hold in common a particular set of religious/ethical beliefs which ought to be reflected in the president?"

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Excellent point. I was wondering if they're going to have a Wiccan or Satanist meeting too. I can't wait to hear how McCain plans to promote the agenda of the Great Dark Underlord.

(Somehow I think he's going to inadvertently anyway)

I wonder if Obama prefers daggers or athames for ceremonies?

Well I think they should meet with Catholics anyway, speaking of ceremonial religions with sacred relics..

Their consituency is MUCH larger than evangelicals by far. And it encompasses the hispanic vote.

Maybe they could field questions of their positions on genuflexing or the Holy Sacrament? They could discuss which Saints are their favorites and which ones' idiologies they'll reflect in their platform?