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		<title>By: Jigofslurs</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21870/what-the-saddleback-church-forum-really-showed-us/comment-page-1/#comment-120832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jigofslurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They ate from the Tree of &quot;The Knowledge of Good and Evil&quot;.  With this choice would bring its enlightenment and its curse. Yes......we all must die. Our history books are full of great men, great armies and a great deal of death. This &quot;Evil&quot; will never be quenched and there will never be peace on this little packed planet we call home. The men of power with no conscience for life are no different than predators, criminals, murderers........in your neighborhood.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Do they accept kind words?  gifts?  or long talks over tea?  Why should Russian, China, the Middle East be any different. Please get over yourselves.......like YOU know the answer to peace. Does Obama or McCain have the keys to peace?  Nations come and go!!!!  They can&#039;t stop and neither can you. America can use diplomacy off the charts or fight every nation on God&#039;s green Earth for protection. We are going to lose the reigns of power. It is inevitable.&lt;br&gt;  Is America the policeman?  the predator?  or the &quot;Evil&quot;?  Are we a country of multiple personalities and great conflictions?  Do we not give more to the poor, the disease strickened, and the defenseless people of the world?&lt;br&gt;   The regular man will never know these answers. It is best to vote your conscience. In the end of our lives........that is truly all you have. I believe if I vote for McCain......it might possibly save one unborn child. I can go to my grave with that knowledge.&lt;br&gt;    So before your damn a preacher.........Just remember you are speck in the middle of spacial infinite, your opinion on politics will be forgotten, and in two generations it will be as if you never existed. Make peace with the Sci-Fi version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ate from the Tree of &#8220;The Knowledge of Good and Evil&#8221;.  With this choice would bring its enlightenment and its curse. Yes&#8230;&#8230;we all must die. Our history books are full of great men, great armies and a great deal of death. This &#8220;Evil&#8221; will never be quenched and there will never be peace on this little packed planet we call home. The men of power with no conscience for life are no different than predators, criminals, murderers&#8230;&#8230;..in your neighborhood.</p>
<p> Do they accept kind words?  gifts?  or long talks over tea?  Why should Russian, China, the Middle East be any different. Please get over yourselves&#8230;&#8230;.like YOU know the answer to peace. Does Obama or McCain have the keys to peace?  Nations come and go!!!!  They can&#39;t stop and neither can you. America can use diplomacy off the charts or fight every nation on God&#39;s green Earth for protection. We are going to lose the reigns of power. It is inevitable.<br />  Is America the policeman?  the predator?  or the &#8220;Evil&#8221;?  Are we a country of multiple personalities and great conflictions?  Do we not give more to the poor, the disease strickened, and the defenseless people of the world?<br />   The regular man will never know these answers. It is best to vote your conscience. In the end of our lives&#8230;&#8230;..that is truly all you have. I believe if I vote for McCain&#8230;&#8230;it might possibly save one unborn child. I can go to my grave with that knowledge.<br />    So before your damn a preacher&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Just remember you are speck in the middle of spacial infinite, your opinion on politics will be forgotten, and in two generations it will be as if you never existed. Make peace with the Sci-Fi version.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks bibijon for the link, although the suggestion that Iran and it&#039;s people may actually have similar human qualities to us is radical!!! Also I&#039;m not sure how patriotic it is to look at Iran from a POV that isn&#039;t based primarily on fear and paranoia. Maybe I&#039;ll need to check in with the neocon contingent and see if this is supposed to be outside my comfort zone or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks bibijon for the link, although the suggestion that Iran and it&#39;s people may actually have similar human qualities to us is radical!!! Also I&#39;m not sure how patriotic it is to look at Iran from a POV that isn&#39;t based primarily on fear and paranoia. Maybe I&#39;ll need to check in with the neocon contingent and see if this is supposed to be outside my comfort zone or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I placed the audio of the forum at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/McCain-vs-Obama/saddleback.html&quot;&gt;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/McCain-vs...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you go item by item, McCain&#039;s answers seem much more mature ... commentary I&#039;ve heard from people is &quot;making abortion rare?&quot; ... &quot;If it is just a lump of blood, why make it rare ... not a very sincere place to be ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I placed the audio of the forum at <a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/McCain-vs-Obama/saddleback.html">http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/McCain-vs&#8230;</a></p>
<p>If you go item by item, McCain&#39;s answers seem much more mature &#8230; commentary I&#39;ve heard from people is &#8220;making abortion rare?&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;If it is just a lump of blood, why make it rare &#8230; not a very sincere place to be &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bibijon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21870/what-the-saddleback-church-forum-really-showed-us/comment-page-1/#comment-120820</link>
		<dc:creator>bibijon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a reality check on Iran, please see&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/&quot;&gt;http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a reality check on Iran, please see<br /><a href="http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/">http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21870/what-the-saddleback-church-forum-really-showed-us/comment-page-1/#comment-120819</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the role of government is how and where to use our strategic resources to ensure the safety of American citizens&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be nice to see that become the actual goal, rather than a pretext.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the role of government is how and where to use our strategic resources to ensure the safety of American citizens&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be nice to see that become the actual goal, rather than a pretext.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2008/08/purpose-driven.html&quot;&gt;What is IOZ?&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;McCain averred that we &quot;must defeat it,&quot; the &quot;it&quot; being evil, of course. Now consider this in light of the setting. Here is a church that ostensibly affirms the essentially sinful nature of man after the Fall, that believes in the inheritance of Adamic guilt, that believes that each person must be &quot;born again&quot; in order to be eligible for salvation, that believes that Edenic disobedience allowed sin and evil to enter irrevocably into the world, until such time as the sci-fi reentry of the Lord Jesus Christ into this world. So here&#039;s McCain disputing one of the basic tenets of Evangelical Protestantism, and it&#039;s one of his biggest applause lines, and no one, not even the damned preacher, seems to notice?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2008/08/purpose-driven.html">What is IOZ?</a>:<br />
<blockquote>McCain averred that we &#8220;must defeat it,&#8221; the &#8220;it&#8221; being evil, of course. Now consider this in light of the setting. Here is a church that ostensibly affirms the essentially sinful nature of man after the Fall, that believes in the inheritance of Adamic guilt, that believes that each person must be &#8220;born again&#8221; in order to be eligible for salvation, that believes that Edenic disobedience allowed sin and evil to enter irrevocably into the world, until such time as the sci-fi reentry of the Lord Jesus Christ into this world. So here&#39;s McCain disputing one of the basic tenets of Evangelical Protestantism, and it&#39;s one of his biggest applause lines, and no one, not even the damned preacher, seems to notice?</p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator>What the Saddleback Church Forum really showed us…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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