Have a Dixie day ya'll.

George Purvis
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Have a Dixie day ya'll.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

Many people are can be wrong can't they? Do you know that this sort of thing only became “fashion” in the last 20 years or so? It is the goal of the NAACP to remove anything Confederate from public view. Do you know that without the black vote the Mississippi flag would have been changed for sure? It is only a vocal minority (white & black) that screams for the banning of the CBF. Think about that and then tell me about hate and racism.

You are back to the same old same old, can you do better I think we have already addressed the “many people” quotation a time or two.

I believe that all states were equally represented in the early days of the founding of our country. So how do you lay the blame for slavery at the feet of the Southern men? Do you have any sources that prove your statements? At that time the only Southern States were Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia. Hardly a majority. Could it be the New England Slave traders didn't want slavery abolished? Do you know whites and Indians in those days? Suggested reading “A TRUE ESTIMATE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN & Vindication of the South, by Mildred Lewis Rutherford” Ch 4; Pg. 37 thru 48 found in the articles section of the SHAPE website.

I repeat myself; the war was not over slavery. The Confederate flag had nothing to do with slavery, slavery was legal throughout the entire United states, the Confederate constitution went father in banning slavery than the US constitution, Lincoln did not free any slave, West Virginia was admitted to the Union well after the start of the war as a slave state, and finally Lincoln offered the South a chance to return to the Union and KEEP their slaves. Now why didn't the South take that offer??? BECAUSE IT WASN”T ABOUT SLAVERY!!!!

You made a study. I question just how accurate it is, using you faulty history as an example of your research abilities. Don't you know slavery was practiced in the North also? You want to compare the CBF with the Nazi flag, give it your best shot. I will make the same comparison with the US flag and only offer one thing — the Native Americans. Had you rather I make this comparison only in the WBTS???

No the War For Southern Independence was not essential. It was forced on the South by Lincoln and his administration. It was a war to subject a free an independent nation to the will of a stronger nation. Nothing more nothing less. Out of that war came the Confederate flag which represents a rising up against tyranny and oppression, is a symbol pride, honor, valor, and dedication to ones homeland for millions of Americans of all races creeds and color.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

Many people are can be wrong can't they? Do you know that this sort of thing only became “fashion” in the last 20 years or so? It is the goal of the NAACP to remove anything Confederate from public view. Do you know that without the black vote the Mississippi flag would have been changed for sure? It is only a vocal minority (white & black) that screams for the banning of the CBF. Think about that and then tell me about hate and racism.

You are back to the same old same old, can you do better I think we have already addressed the “many people” quotation a time or two.

I believe that all states were equally represented in the early days of the founding of our country. So how do you lay the blame for slavery at the feet of the Southern men? Do you have any sources that prove your statements? At that time the only Southern States were Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia. Hardly a majority. Could it be the New England Slave traders didn't want slavery abolished? Do you know whites and Indians in those days? Suggested reading “A TRUE ESTIMATE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN & Vindication of the South, by Mildred Lewis Rutherford” Ch 4; Pg. 37 thru 48 found in the articles section of the SHAPE website.

I repeat myself; the war was not over slavery. The Confederate flag had nothing to do with slavery, slavery was legal throughout the entire United states, the Confederate constitution went father in banning slavery than the US constitution, Lincoln did not free any slave, West Virginia was admitted to the Union well after the start of the war as a slave state, and finally Lincoln offered the South a chance to return to the Union and KEEP their slaves. Now why didn't the South take that offer??? BECAUSE IT WASN”T ABOUT SLAVERY!!!!

You made a study. I question just how accurate it is, using you faulty history as an example of your research abilities. Don't you know slavery was practiced in the North also? You want to compare the CBF with the Nazi flag, give it your best shot. I will make the same comparison with the US flag and only offer one thing — the Native Americans. Had you rather I make this comparison only in the WBTS???

No the War For Southern Independence was not essential. It was forced on the South by Lincoln and his administration. It was a war to subject a free an independent nation to the will of a stronger nation. Nothing more nothing less. Out of that war came the Confederate flag which represents a rising up against tyranny and oppression, is a symbol pride, honor, valor, and dedication to ones homeland for millions of Americans of all races creeds and color.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

The Confederate flag is a symbol of pride and heritage to many folks. To be forced not to wear it is trampling on the rights of those who wish to display this heritage and pride. If we wore makeup and pink high heel boots would that make it OK???

Do you have any real facts to discuss or are you just going to throw out general biased, prejudiced, quotes to me? That sort of stuff just originates with the ignorant and un-informed who mostly have nothing better to do than spread their own brand of hate.

Have a Dixie day.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

The Confederate flag is a symbol of pride and heritage to many folks. To be forced not to wear it is trampling on the rights of those who wish to display this heritage and pride. If we wore makeup and pink high heel boots would that make it OK???

Do you have any real facts to discuss or are you just going to throw out general biased, prejudiced, quotes to me? That sort of stuff just originates with the ignorant and un-informed who mostly have nothing better to do than spread their own brand of hate.

Have a Dixie day.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

Many people still see the Confederate flag in those terms.

Now, don't get me wrong- the South has a lot to be proud of, both historically and today. But symbols are very powerful and the Confederate flag still remains a powerful symbol that many people believe is racist and hate.

As far as the US flag… when our nation was founded and the constitution penned, it was seen as an organic and living document which would inevitably change over time. Many of the Founding Fathers were from the southern states and it was due to their influence that the issue of slavery was left unresolved in the US Constitution.

Our country has evolved over the centuries to the great nation today. And it still has its problems.

I think every culture in the world and every nation in this world has used slavery and/or oppression of others to advance their own interests.

The US flag, as imperfect as our country has been, is seen as a symbol of freedom. The Confederate flag was flown by the southern states wanting the right to own slaves.

I have found that oppressors are more than happy with their symbols and don't believe there is anything wrong with the display of such symbols, whether the symbols are swastikas, nooses (particularly in certain parts of the country), flags, etc. But when those symbols still continue to be used by people who have been oppressors in the past and those symbols continue to oppress other people (whether intentionally or unwittingly) then a free, just and civil society can not flourish.

The display of the Confederate flag is not about freedom of speech. The display of the Confederate flag is about one group of people who historically have been oppressors continuing to foster an environment of oppression.

As I said the South has much to be proud of, it has a rich history that has contributed (and continues to contribute) mightily and positively to the US. I am not anti-South and the Civil War (as horrible, painful and evil as it was) was absolutely essential to get us to where we are today as a great nation. I think many people believe the Civil War was the fault of the South, but I think both the North and the South were responsible. But out of that war the Confederate flag came to represent to the oppressed people their very oppression. That continues to this day.

Many people still see the Confederate flag in those terms.

Now, don't get me wrong- the South has a lot to be proud of, both historically and today. But symbols are very powerful and the Confederate flag still remains a powerful symbol that many people believe is racist and hate.

As far as the US flag… when our nation was founded and the constitution penned, it was seen as an organic and living document which would inevitably change over time. Many of the Founding Fathers were from the southern states and it was due to their influence that the issue of slavery was left unresolved in the US Constitution.

Our country has evolved over the centuries to the great nation today. And it still has its problems.

I think every culture in the world and every nation in this world has used slavery and/or oppression of others to advance their own interests.

The US flag, as imperfect as our country has been, is seen as a symbol of freedom. The Confederate flag was flown by the southern states wanting the right to own slaves.

I have found that oppressors are more than happy with their symbols and don't believe there is anything wrong with the display of such symbols, whether the symbols are swastikas, nooses (particularly in certain parts of the country), flags, etc. But when those symbols still continue to be used by people who have been oppressors in the past and those symbols continue to oppress other people (whether intentionally or unwittingly) then a free, just and civil society can not flourish.

The display of the Confederate flag is not about freedom of speech. The display of the Confederate flag is about one group of people who historically have been oppressors continuing to foster an environment of oppression.

As I said the South has much to be proud of, it has a rich history that has contributed (and continues to contribute) mightily and positively to the US. I am not anti-South and the Civil War (as horrible, painful and evil as it was) was absolutely essential to get us to where we are today as a great nation. I think many people believe the Civil War was the fault of the South, but I think both the North and the South were responsible. But out of that war the Confederate flag came to represent to the oppressed people their very oppression. That continues to this day.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of racism and hatred to many folks. To wear can be a source of intimidation to some.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of racism and hatred to many folks. To wear can be a source of intimidation to some.

It is true you did not say you say you didn’t support Defoe, you just questioned his motives; however you said this about King “So I totally support King's school for allowing King to try different looks.” Quiet a bit difference in the statements and their meaning won’t you say? No distortion there just copied from your response. Besides Defoe was only wearing a belt buckle, while King was going pretty far out on the edge with his outfit. Now which one is likely to be more distracting in a school environment? Don’t know about anyone else but I am not in the habit of checking out what belt buckle a fellow is wearing. Tell me how I can distort other person’s feelings. I didn’t know I had that magical power. SHAPE is based on finding the truth, promoting the truth, by using historical facts and educating those whose minds are open enough to accept the truths and facts. You are most welcome to challenge anyone or anything posted to the SHAPE forums as long as you do it in a civil manner. You may also want to check out our “articles” section which has some excellent sourced articles by some well educated submitters. Anyway, we welcome anyone of any race or religion who is willing to follow our rules and become an active member. Our door is always open.

So tell me why you think the CBF is a symbol of racism and hatred? Who told you that? The fuss is all about uninformed, biased prejudiced people who has made it a goal top remove the CBF from all public view. It is a state right to decide what flag to fly. Here in Mississippi we voted, the good folks of Georgia and South Carolina did not get that chance, sort of takes away from the meaning of “freedom” doesn’t it? In South Carolina a compromise was reached with the NAACP and now they do not want to honor their end of the barging. Many people do not see it as a symbol of racism.

Not only that but names, such as Lee, Jackson, Forrest and Stonewall. Do you know blacks fought for the South, the CBF never flew over one slave ship, not one person was ever enslaved under the CBF, the Confederate Constitution went farther in banning slavery than the US Constitution, The War For Southern Independence WAS NOT over slavery, several Southern states had tried to ban slavery before 1800? Just a few things you can check out. Do you have any idea some of the baggage the US flag carries? Let’s take a look, most slaves came to the US under the United States Flag, under the US flag black and white American women, children and old men were murdered, raped and tortured, the Native Americans were nearly wiped out under the US flag, the Japanese Americans were imprisoned and the Jim Crow laws were enforced. Now which flag represents racism and hatred??? Integration of the armed forces took a presidential act by Franklin Roosevelt; the Confederate army was integrated with all races and religions serving side by side. By the way I can see you are not a student of history or you would know these things

You are entitled to your opinion; however it is not the opinion of MOST people living in the South.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

It is true you did not say you say you didn’t support Defoe, you just questioned his motives; however you said this about King “So I totally support King's school for allowing King to try different looks.” Quiet a bit difference in the statements and their meaning won’t you say? No distortion there just copied from your response. Besides Defoe was only wearing a belt buckle, while King was going pretty far out on the edge with his outfit. Now which one is likely to be more distracting in a school environment? Don’t know about anyone else but I am not in the habit of checking out what belt buckle a fellow is wearing. Tell me how I can distort other person’s feelings. I didn’t know I had that magical power. SHAPE is based on finding the truth, promoting the truth, by using historical facts and educating those whose minds are open enough to accept the truths and facts. You are most welcome to challenge anyone or anything posted to the SHAPE forums as long as you do it in a civil manner. You may also want to check out our “articles” section which has some excellent sourced articles by some well educated submitters. Anyway, we welcome anyone of any race or religion who is willing to follow our rules and become an active member. Our door is always open.

So tell me why you think the CBF is a symbol of racism and hatred? Who told you that? The fuss is all about uninformed, biased prejudiced people who has made it a goal top remove the CBF from all public view. It is a state right to decide what flag to fly. Here in Mississippi we voted, the good folks of Georgia and South Carolina did not get that chance, sort of takes away from the meaning of “freedom” doesn’t it? In South Carolina a compromise was reached with the NAACP and now they do not want to honor their end of the barging. Many people do not see it as a symbol of racism.

Not only that but names, such as Lee, Jackson, Forrest and Stonewall. Do you know blacks fought for the South, the CBF never flew over one slave ship, not one person was ever enslaved under the CBF, the Confederate Constitution went farther in banning slavery than the US Constitution, The War For Southern Independence WAS NOT over slavery, several Southern states had tried to ban slavery before 1800? Just a few things you can check out. Do you have any idea some of the baggage the US flag carries? Let’s take a look, most slaves came to the US under the United States Flag, under the US flag black and white American women, children and old men were murdered, raped and tortured, the Native Americans were nearly wiped out under the US flag, the Japanese Americans were imprisoned and the Jim Crow laws were enforced. Now which flag represents racism and hatred??? Integration of the armed forces took a presidential act by Franklin Roosevelt; the Confederate army was integrated with all races and religions serving side by side. By the way I can see you are not a student of history or you would know these things

You are entitled to your opinion; however it is not the opinion of MOST people living in the South.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservatione…

I did not say that I did not support Defoe in his “quest” for a different look. In fact I specifically said in the two sentences that I devoted to Defoe, “but I'd like to know why he wanted to wear it before jumping to conclusions.” So stop putting words into my mouth and distorting what I clearly did not say. I see you distort my words to fit your purpose the way you distort people's feelings on the Confederate Flag so you can believe something that isn't true and support your Southern Heritage organization.

As far as the Confederate Flag not being a symbol of racism and hatred (and me being uninformed)… if the Confederate Flag is not then what is all the fuss about? Not only about this case but about all the other cases of Southern States wanting to fly the Confederate Flag? Don't try to give me that crap, “I see you are not a student of history.” Many people do see the Confederate Flag as a symbol of racism and hatred.

I will say that the Confederate Flag is part of the heritage of the South, but it's not a very positive image.

I did not say that I did not support Defoe in his “quest” for a different look. In fact I specifically said in the two sentences that I devoted to Defoe, “but I'd like to know why he wanted to wear it before jumping to conclusions.” So stop putting words into my mouth and distorting what I clearly did not say. I see you distort my words to fit your purpose the way you distort people's feelings on the Confederate Flag so you can believe something that isn't true and support your Southern Heritage organization.

As far as the Confederate Flag not being a symbol of racism and hatred (and me being uninformed)… if the Confederate Flag is not then what is all the fuss about? Not only about this case but about all the other cases of Southern States wanting to fly the Confederate Flag? Don't try to give me that crap, “I see you are not a student of history.” Many people do see the Confederate Flag as a symbol of racism and hatred.

I will say that the Confederate Flag is part of the heritage of the South, but it's not a very positive image.

What does Anderson County being pro-union during the WBTS have to do with banning the war Defoe wears? Perhaps his ancestor fought for the South are you going to have him deny his heritage????

StockboyboySF

Well I see you are not a student of history. Who told you the Confederate Flag was a symbol of racism and hatred? Do you have any historical sources to back this up? Don't try the KKK angle, their official flak is the Stars and Stripes. I find it amazing you can say this “So I totally support King's school for allowing King to try different looks” but not support DeFoe in his quest for a different look.

RememberNovember

The North and blacks also owned slaves. There were more free blacks in the South than the North and the North had strict blacks codes preventing free blacks from living in the north. The North's early economic wealth was based on the slave trade To bad you haven't a clue about history. You may want to start at the American Revolution that way you won't be making stupid statements like “since many in the south were Royalists.” Well how many is many? Many in the North were also Royalist too. Isn't it true the revolution was won in the South? Check your history. Why should we let it go when you won't???

You folks really need to sit down and do some serious reading about American history. I have never in my life came across such misinformed statements.

George Purvis
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