Comments on: The Bush Administration’s Trouble with Dates and Places http://themoderatevoice.com/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 30 May 2012 12:59:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: D. E.Rodriguez http://themoderatevoice.com/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/comment-page-1/#comment-135622 D. E.Rodriguez Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:23:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/united-nations/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/#comment-135622 You are right, greenhouse, "there are no good wars." But if I remember correctly, it was a terrorist group based in Afghanisatn and blessed and protected by the Afghan regime that attacked our country on 9/11. And, I believe a country has the right--no, the responsibility--to defend its people against such attacks--including a counter-attack on their soil, if necessary to destroy the attackers.<br><br>Now, Iraq, that is an entirely different matter, and that is why "March 20, 2003" You are right, greenhouse, “there are no good wars.” But if I remember correctly, it was a terrorist group based in Afghanisatn and blessed and protected by the Afghan regime that attacked our country on 9/11. And, I believe a country has the right–no, the responsibility–to defend its people against such attacks–including a counter-attack on their soil, if necessary to destroy the attackers.

Now, Iraq, that is an entirely different matter, and that is why “March 20, 2003″

]]> By: greenschemes http://themoderatevoice.com/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/comment-page-1/#comment-135621 greenschemes Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:41:02 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/united-nations/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/#comment-135621 You might want to do some research into Afghanistan too. In 1998 the Clinton administration signed into law the change of regime statue for Afghanistan. In addition the ruling Afghani government was not conducive to the wanting to establish a pipeline that would run thru Afghanistan at the time. <br><br>When OBL attacked it gave us the perfect opportunity to invade and attack Afghanistan. Why do you think we never got OBL? If we had we would have no further need to be there.<br><br>There are no good wars. There are no just wars. There are no righteous wars.<br><br>There are only wars. You might want to do some research into Afghanistan too. In 1998 the Clinton administration signed into law the change of regime statue for Afghanistan. In addition the ruling Afghani government was not conducive to the wanting to establish a pipeline that would run thru Afghanistan at the time.

When OBL attacked it gave us the perfect opportunity to invade and attack Afghanistan. Why do you think we never got OBL? If we had we would have no further need to be there.

There are no good wars. There are no just wars. There are no righteous wars.

There are only wars.

]]> By: D. E.Rodriguez http://themoderatevoice.com/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/comment-page-1/#comment-135618 D. E.Rodriguez Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:18:56 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/united-nations/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/#comment-135618 DLS<br><br>1. I would certainly maintain that a nation loses a lot of moral authority when it invades and occupies a sovereign nation based on lies and deception, as we did in the case of Iraq. (Greenschemes: NOT Afghanistan, that's why the administration's 21st century does not start until 20 March 2003).<br><br>2. "only the ignorant see [the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo] as typically and forever characterizing the USA (and by extension, the rest of the West), and only the ignorant or those who do know but have dark motives would say otherwise."<br><br>You are perfectly correct in adding "the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo" to the factors that have diminished our moral authority. And you are also correct that such abominations will not "typically and forever" characterize the USA....hopefully, such characterization will end in January 2009<br><br>By the way your label of "only the ignorant" would include a vast majority of the American people. DLS

1. I would certainly maintain that a nation loses a lot of moral authority when it invades and occupies a sovereign nation based on lies and deception, as we did in the case of Iraq. (Greenschemes: NOT Afghanistan, that's why the administration's 21st century does not start until 20 March 2003).

2. “only the ignorant see [the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo] as typically and forever characterizing the USA (and by extension, the rest of the West), and only the ignorant or those who do know but have dark motives would say otherwise.”

You are perfectly correct in adding “the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo” to the factors that have diminished our moral authority. And you are also correct that such abominations will not “typically and forever” characterize the USA….hopefully, such characterization will end in January 2009

By the way your label of “only the ignorant” would include a vast majority of the American people.

]]> By: greenschemes http://themoderatevoice.com/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/comment-page-1/#comment-135616 greenschemes Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:32:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/united-nations/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/#comment-135616 “In the 21st century nations don’t invade other nations.” I guess McCain’s 21st century started sometime after March 20, 2003.<br><br>WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said the United States opened a new front in the war against international terrorism Sunday with its attacks on Afghanistan's ruling Taliban and al Qaeda terrorist camps.<br><br>"On my order, U.S. forces have begun strikes on terrorist camps of al Qaeda, and the military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan," Bush said in a somber, televised address from the White House Treaty Room.<br><br>Seems you have trouble with your dates too. I think our century started after Oct. 7, 2001. “In the 21st century nations don’t invade other nations.” I guess McCain’s 21st century started sometime after March 20, 2003.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush said the United States opened a new front in the war against international terrorism Sunday with its attacks on Afghanistan's ruling Taliban and al Qaeda terrorist camps.

“On my order, U.S. forces have begun strikes on terrorist camps of al Qaeda, and the military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan,” Bush said in a somber, televised address from the White House Treaty Room.

Seems you have trouble with your dates too. I think our century started after Oct. 7, 2001.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/comment-page-1/#comment-135615 DLS Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:11:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/united-nations/21790/the-bush-administrations-trouble-with-dates-and-places/#comment-135615 "the obvious debilitating effects our own invasion and occupation of another nation have had on our moral authority"<br><br>... are largely fiction and anti-US leftist propaganda. On the other hand, what is real is that our intelligence was lousy (very costly, but no mortal sin), and most importantly, we have the widespread appearance of having failed to adequately pacify Iraq and control Iranian mischief in Iraq and now appear a model of Western impotence, which Russia as well as the terrorists in the Middle East (and in Afghanistan) finds motivational. Where moral authority went truly wrong was in the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo. These are the true failings. They are largely associated with the Bush administration; only the ignorant see these as typically and forever characterizing the USA (and by extension, the rest of the West), and only the ignorant or those who do know but have dark motives would say otherwise. “the obvious debilitating effects our own invasion and occupation of another nation have had on our moral authority”

… are largely fiction and anti-US leftist propaganda. On the other hand, what is real is that our intelligence was lousy (very costly, but no mortal sin), and most importantly, we have the widespread appearance of having failed to adequately pacify Iraq and control Iranian mischief in Iraq and now appear a model of Western impotence, which Russia as well as the terrorists in the Middle East (and in Afghanistan) finds motivational. Where moral authority went truly wrong was in the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and the torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo. These are the true failings. They are largely associated with the Bush administration; only the ignorant see these as typically and forever characterizing the USA (and by extension, the rest of the West), and only the ignorant or those who do know but have dark motives would say otherwise.

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