Comments on: Russia vs. Georgia: Implications for the U.S. http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 30 May 2012 12:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bobCURIOUS http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126630 bobCURIOUS Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:53:33 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126630 I've had it with this preoccupation with "right v. left"; these labels and their repective ideologies have no relevance. The growing animosity of the international community toward the U.S. and the growing number of "independents" within the U.S. are warnings. The old ideologies born of the Cold War and 20th Century economic conservatism have no bearing on the dynamics today.<br><br>"Right", how do you continue supporting "free trade" against the backdrop of devasting trade deficits, devaluation of the dollar, loss of U.S. jobs, and-most embarrasing-the spiralling indebtedness to China? China, for godsakes!<br><br>"Left", you are no less clueless. Not all countries warrant equal consideration. You don't take sides with tier-2 or tier-3 economic or political upstarts if it risks<br>nuclear confrontation with a tier-1 nation. The name of the game is "real politik"-everything is negotiable, everything predicated on our-not their-self interest.<br><br>"Right" and "Left" stop trying to twist realty to conform to your ideologies. The proliferation of nukes and global economics has rendered them obsolete.<br><br>I don't mean to antagnonize, here, I would just like to deal with the present. I've had it with this preoccupation with “right v. left”; these labels and their repective ideologies have no relevance. The growing animosity of the international community toward the U.S. and the growing number of “independents” within the U.S. are warnings. The old ideologies born of the Cold War and 20th Century economic conservatism have no bearing on the dynamics today.

“Right”, how do you continue supporting “free trade” against the backdrop of devasting trade deficits, devaluation of the dollar, loss of U.S. jobs, and-most embarrasing-the spiralling indebtedness to China? China, for godsakes!

“Left”, you are no less clueless. Not all countries warrant equal consideration. You don't take sides with tier-2 or tier-3 economic or political upstarts if it risks
nuclear confrontation with a tier-1 nation. The name of the game is “real politik”-everything is negotiable, everything predicated on our-not their-self interest.

“Right” and “Left” stop trying to twist realty to conform to your ideologies. The proliferation of nukes and global economics has rendered them obsolete.

I don't mean to antagnonize, here, I would just like to deal with the present.

]]> By: edrs http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126629 edrs Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:07:43 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126629 so it is fine by you that people die so russia can show the world that they can invade a country the size of sc and win. where is the outcry from the peace loveing libs. hmmm the us is not the bad guy so they stay at home and create side splitting humor like gw dumbass and co. get a clue. oh and by the way Russia will flick us away with its fingernail. was that said just to raise a reaction. have you seen the abysmal performance of the russian military. and by the way why did russia invite Checnyan SOF into Georgia the russians learned this one from rhe Nazis who used so called liberated Serbs and Slavs to practice thier long hatred of Jews is support of the finale solution.. Only one reason "ethnic cleansing" and probabledeniability by the russians. Well i guess the radical handbook must believe there are no crrimes against humanity except everything the us does. Points you need to get out of this so called war. !. Russia is trying to become a world military player to counter growing NATO (hmmm why do so many countries want to join a evil organization dominated by the US). 2. The Russians will not give up any Georgian territory siezed and will commit horrendous war crimes without commendation my the leftist press. 3. This same press will not report how truly awful Russian military performance was i.e. pilots dumping weapons just over the border (usually on civilian dwellings and running back to the officxers club. This after loosing front line med and tactical bombers to a almost non existant Georgian air defense. So try the truth please from now on. so it is fine by you that people die so russia can show the world that they can invade a country the size of sc and win. where is the outcry from the peace loveing libs. hmmm the us is not the bad guy so they stay at home and create side splitting humor like gw dumbass and co. get a clue. oh and by the way Russia will flick us away with its fingernail. was that said just to raise a reaction. have you seen the abysmal performance of the russian military. and by the way why did russia invite Checnyan SOF into Georgia the russians learned this one from rhe Nazis who used so called liberated Serbs and Slavs to practice thier long hatred of Jews is support of the finale solution.. Only one reason “ethnic cleansing” and probabledeniability by the russians. Well i guess the radical handbook must believe there are no crrimes against humanity except everything the us does. Points you need to get out of this so called war. !. Russia is trying to become a world military player to counter growing NATO (hmmm why do so many countries want to join a evil organization dominated by the US). 2. The Russians will not give up any Georgian territory siezed and will commit horrendous war crimes without commendation my the leftist press. 3. This same press will not report how truly awful Russian military performance was i.e. pilots dumping weapons just over the border (usually on civilian dwellings and running back to the officxers club. This after loosing front line med and tactical bombers to a almost non existant Georgian air defense. So try the truth please from now on.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126627 DLS Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:52:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126627 "Dear God, is anyone other that Bush ever responsible?"<br><br>McCain, the Warmonger and Bush Clone [tm], especially if there is panic before November. “Dear God, is anyone other that Bush ever responsible?”

McCain, the Warmonger and Bush Clone [tm], especially if there is panic before November.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126626 DLS Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:50:46 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126626 "Vlad the Empoisoner's Great Game to imprison the EU-nuchs in an energy Gulag"<br><br>They need not only the oil, but all that GAZ.<br><br>[Bruno, singing with a smirk] "Frosty Snowman, was happy, jolly soul..." “Vlad the Empoisoner's Great Game to imprison the EU-nuchs in an energy Gulag”

They need not only the oil, but all that GAZ.

[Bruno, singing with a smirk] “Frosty Snowman, was happy, jolly soul…”

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126625 DLS Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:49:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126625 "It's still about the BTC pipeline & alternate outlets of oil from Central Asia to the West."<br><br>Having everything under the control of Russia and Iran is fine by them. “It's still about the BTC pipeline & alternate outlets of oil from Central Asia to the West.”

Having everything under the control of Russia and Iran is fine by them.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126624 DLS Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:48:24 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126624 The lefties probably retain their fondness for their friend Russia and for anyone who flexes his muscles as an adversary of the USA and the West. Happy times are here again! The lefties probably retain their fondness for their friend Russia and for anyone who flexes his muscles as an adversary of the USA and the West. Happy times are here again!

]]> By: daveinboca http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126623 daveinboca Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:58:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126623 It is patently ridiculous for the international left to point fingers at the victim and blame Georgia for "inciting aggression." And blame the US for provoking poor little Vlad who tried to poison the present President of the Ukraine, probably Russia's main object of intimidation in this episode.<br><br>It's still about the BTC pipeline & alternate outlets of oil from Central Asia to the West. Read Marshall Goldman's "Petrostate," a book which describes Vlad the Empoisoner's Great Game to imprison the EU-nuchs in an energy Gulag. The Russians have no neighbors, only enemies and vassals. It is patently ridiculous for the international left to point fingers at the victim and blame Georgia for “inciting aggression.” And blame the US for provoking poor little Vlad who tried to poison the present President of the Ukraine, probably Russia's main object of intimidation in this episode.

It's still about the BTC pipeline & alternate outlets of oil from Central Asia to the West. Read Marshall Goldman's “Petrostate,” a book which describes Vlad the Empoisoner's Great Game to imprison the EU-nuchs in an energy Gulag. The Russians have no neighbors, only enemies and vassals.

]]> By: pacatrue http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126622 pacatrue Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:00:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126622 Well, those are hardly flattering portrayals of the U.S. from abroad, no doubt. What's most interesting to me is that most people see this as a story of Russia vs. the U.S. A continuing Great Game of global influence. That should be, at best, 10% of the story. The real story is in the people who are now dead in Georgia and its breakaway provinces. That's who lost. Well, those are hardly flattering portrayals of the U.S. from abroad, no doubt. What's most interesting to me is that most people see this as a story of Russia vs. the U.S. A continuing Great Game of global influence. That should be, at best, 10% of the story. The real story is in the people who are now dead in Georgia and its breakaway provinces. That's who lost.

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126620 JSpencer Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:07:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126620 Bush needs to look in the mirror AR, as do some of his fans. Think about Iraq in this context. Btw, I shouldn't have to remind you of how our dear leader gazed deep into Putin's eyes and pronounced him to be a good man. Yah, right... Bush needs to look in the mirror AR, as do some of his fans. Think about Iraq in this context. Btw, I shouldn't have to remind you of how our dear leader gazed deep into Putin's eyes and pronounced him to be a good man. Yah, right…

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126619 AustinRoth Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:17:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126619 Dear God, is anyone other that Bush ever responsible? Putin has led Russia to the brink of a new totalitarianism, has bullied and blackmailed all of Europe over oil and natural gas, has killed his critics anywhere throughout Europe, and HE and Russia are the fuck*ng victims? Get real. Dear God, is anyone other that Bush ever responsible? Putin has led Russia to the brink of a new totalitarianism, has bullied and blackmailed all of Europe over oil and natural gas, has killed his critics anywhere throughout Europe, and HE and Russia are the fuck*ng victims? Get real.

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126617 Silhouette Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:47:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126617 Let's be more specific. Thanks to BigOil behind the neo-GOP....<br><br>Odd that the highest-earning monopoly in the US gets to siphon the Public Treasury to fund its corporate takeover of a sovereign nation, and then dupes the US into WWIII under the guise of "humanitarian aide" from those terrible russians bombing strategic .....oil....transportation sites...in yet another nation it infiltrated.<br><br>Seems the Texas cowboys don't want their party spoiled by the locals overseas.<br><br>And they're going to wave "freedom", "liberty" and "humanitarian cause" in front of our faces and we'll buy it hook, line and sinker and ask where we can sign the (overdrawn) check and send our sons & daughters to die to do more of their bidding.<br><br>Right now GW Dumbass & Co. are like that little scrawny guy on the beach, walking up to sasquatch and kicking sand in his face. Russia will flick us away with its fingernail.<br><br>We should've impeached him while we had the chance..him and Cheney.<br><br>Congress? Let's be more specific. Thanks to BigOil behind the neo-GOP….

Odd that the highest-earning monopoly in the US gets to siphon the Public Treasury to fund its corporate takeover of a sovereign nation, and then dupes the US into WWIII under the guise of “humanitarian aide” from those terrible russians bombing strategic …..oil….transportation sites…in yet another nation it infiltrated.

Seems the Texas cowboys don't want their party spoiled by the locals overseas.

And they're going to wave “freedom”, “liberty” and “humanitarian cause” in front of our faces and we'll buy it hook, line and sinker and ask where we can sign the (overdrawn) check and send our sons & daughters to die to do more of their bidding.

Right now GW Dumbass & Co. are like that little scrawny guy on the beach, walking up to sasquatch and kicking sand in his face. Russia will flick us away with its fingernail.

We should've impeached him while we had the chance..him and Cheney.

Congress?

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-126614 JSpencer Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:53:28 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/news-roundup/21772/russia-vs-georgia-implications-for-the-us/#comment-126614 "Bush rebuking Russia? Putin must be splitting his sides"<br><br>Ain't it the truth. Thanks to the neo-GOP for this 21st century version of US international "political capital". “Bush rebuking Russia? Putin must be splitting his sides”

Ain't it the truth. Thanks to the neo-GOP for this 21st century version of US international “political capital”.

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