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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s New McCain Is Celebrity Too Campaign Ad</title>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21696/obamas-new-mccain-is-celebrity-too-campaign-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-131443</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with pacatrue on this one - seeing the Obama campaign respond to a stupid and distracting ploy by saying &quot;but he is too&quot; is disappointing.  The whole &quot;celebrity&quot; charge isn&#039;t even a negative - would you rather have a President who is hated?  There are a ton of responses that turn McCain&#039;s &quot;celebrity&quot; charge into a positive, but this isn&#039;t one of them, and it&#039;s disappointing to see the normally adept Obama team fumble this opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m with pacatrue on this one &#8211; seeing the Obama campaign respond to a stupid and distracting ploy by saying &#8220;but he is too&#8221; is disappointing.  The whole &#8220;celebrity&#8221; charge isn&#39;t even a negative &#8211; would you rather have a President who is hated?  There are a ton of responses that turn McCain&#39;s &#8220;celebrity&#8221; charge into a positive, but this isn&#39;t one of them, and it&#39;s disappointing to see the normally adept Obama team fumble this opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21696/obamas-new-mccain-is-celebrity-too-campaign-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-131442</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;here is Obama hitting back with the same type of add and nary a peep&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because it doesn&#039;t merit much except scoffs; it&#039;s pathetic if not bizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;here is Obama hitting back with the same type of add and nary a peep&#8221;</p>
<p>Because it doesn&#39;t merit much except scoffs; it&#39;s pathetic if not bizarre.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21696/obamas-new-mccain-is-celebrity-too-campaign-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-131441</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The &#039;Celebrity&#039; ads were a masterstroke&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would say they came too late to be fully effective.  (We knew about his celebrity-cult following months ago.)  For the sake of additional noteworthiness: Had the McCain campaign sought what some suspected months ago, to hope for Clinton rather than Obama to be the nominee because Clinton&#039;s negatives were so much higher, then if anything the McCain campaign should have run the celebrity ads at a time that was too early to be most effective against Obama (which would have been some weeks ago but long after Super Tuesday, at the point where he had clinched the effective nomination).  McCain could have run these ads with great effect before Super Tuesday to weaken or wound the Obama campaign.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The ads to this day still expose the core of the Obama phenomenon (that word alone conveying and implying the obvious about the guy) and have provoked all kinds of silliness by defensive Obama people -- including the Obama campaign.  Pathetic!  Obama&#039;s campaign just got much more lame than McCain&#039;s right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The &#39;Celebrity&#39; ads were a masterstroke&#8221;</p>
<p>I would say they came too late to be fully effective.  (We knew about his celebrity-cult following months ago.)  For the sake of additional noteworthiness: Had the McCain campaign sought what some suspected months ago, to hope for Clinton rather than Obama to be the nominee because Clinton&#39;s negatives were so much higher, then if anything the McCain campaign should have run the celebrity ads at a time that was too early to be most effective against Obama (which would have been some weeks ago but long after Super Tuesday, at the point where he had clinched the effective nomination).  McCain could have run these ads with great effect before Super Tuesday to weaken or wound the Obama campaign.</p>
<p>The ads to this day still expose the core of the Obama phenomenon (that word alone conveying and implying the obvious about the guy) and have provoked all kinds of silliness by defensive Obama people &#8212; including the Obama campaign.  Pathetic!  Obama&#39;s campaign just got much more lame than McCain&#39;s right now.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21696/obamas-new-mccain-is-celebrity-too-campaign-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-131440</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;McCain is a celebrity, too.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a bogus, worthless argument.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no comparison between the amount of attention Obama has gotten (he has been treated as a saint as well as a celebrity) compared to McCain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only time McCain and &quot;celebrity&quot; have been together is in the current worthless bogus argument made in stupid defensiveness of a valid criticism of Obama.  Only now do we hear this piece of stupidity.  What noteworthy timing!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That Obama would present an ad with this bogus, worthless, self-lowering argument (as is true with everyone else who has made it) shows he continues to stumble.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyone who disputes this only looks just as bad.  Smarter people say: When will Obama recover?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McCain is a celebrity, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a bogus, worthless argument.</p>
<p>There is no comparison between the amount of attention Obama has gotten (he has been treated as a saint as well as a celebrity) compared to McCain.</p>
<p>The only time McCain and &#8220;celebrity&#8221; have been together is in the current worthless bogus argument made in stupid defensiveness of a valid criticism of Obama.  Only now do we hear this piece of stupidity.  What noteworthy timing!</p>
<p>That Obama would present an ad with this bogus, worthless, self-lowering argument (as is true with everyone else who has made it) shows he continues to stumble.</p>
<p>Anyone who disputes this only looks just as bad.  Smarter people say: When will Obama recover?</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had hoped that an ad which emphasized McCain&#039;s earlier claim to want to lead a positive campaign free from negative character attacks, followed by a whole series of negative campaign attacks from McCain, while STILL claiming he hasn&#039;t gone negative aboard his &quot;straight talk&quot; express, and then emphasizing the positive things Obama wants to do would have been effective. Remind people they care more about their jobs and health care rather than political attacks. Maybe a good response, maybe not. But it&#039;s almost off the table when Obama goes negative in response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had hoped that an ad which emphasized McCain&#39;s earlier claim to want to lead a positive campaign free from negative character attacks, followed by a whole series of negative campaign attacks from McCain, while STILL claiming he hasn&#39;t gone negative aboard his &#8220;straight talk&#8221; express, and then emphasizing the positive things Obama wants to do would have been effective. Remind people they care more about their jobs and health care rather than political attacks. Maybe a good response, maybe not. But it&#39;s almost off the table when Obama goes negative in response.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pacatrue,&lt;br&gt;An honest campaign shouldn&#039;t smear its opponent. But at the same time, if that campaign hopes to win, it can&#039;t let its opponent&#039;s smears go unanswered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s the solution? Use their smears against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pacatrue,<br />An honest campaign shouldn&#39;t smear its opponent. But at the same time, if that campaign hopes to win, it can&#39;t let its opponent&#39;s smears go unanswered.</p>
<p>What&#39;s the solution? Use their smears against them.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, as an Obama supporter, I wish he had not run the McCain as celebrity ad. It&#039;s a character hit piece as well. I&#039;m amused how every ad run or not run is considered a moment of truth for whatever group one dislikes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Headline: 3 puppies strangled in Peoria:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blogger reaction: Why hasn&#039;t the group I hate responded yet?! Clearly they like puppy strangling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, as an Obama supporter, I wish he had not run the McCain as celebrity ad. It&#39;s a character hit piece as well. I&#39;m amused how every ad run or not run is considered a moment of truth for whatever group one dislikes.</p>
<p>Headline: 3 puppies strangled in Peoria:</p>
<p>Blogger reaction: Why hasn&#39;t the group I hate responded yet?! Clearly they like puppy strangling!</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21696/obamas-new-mccain-is-celebrity-too-campaign-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-131436</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenschemes,&lt;br&gt;Turning your opponents smears around isn&#039;t &quot;gutter&quot; politics. It&#039;s being fair.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Obama had initiated the attacks, that would be a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greenschemes,<br />Turning your opponents smears around isn&#39;t &#8220;gutter&#8221; politics. It&#39;s being fair.</p>
<p>If Obama had initiated the attacks, that would be a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What is ironic in this add is the furor that was raised by the Obama supporters over how low McCain went with his add and now here is Obama hitting back with the same type of add and nary a peep.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, most of the &quot;peeping&quot; I&#039;ve heard on the left had more to do with disappointment that Obama wasn&#039;t hitting back. This ad makes the point that whatever celebrity status McCain has is a result of his influence in Washington. Would anyone dispute that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is ironic in this add is the furor that was raised by the Obama supporters over how low McCain went with his add and now here is Obama hitting back with the same type of add and nary a peep.</i></p>
<p>Actually, most of the &#8220;peeping&#8221; I&#39;ve heard on the left had more to do with disappointment that Obama wasn&#39;t hitting back. This ad makes the point that whatever celebrity status McCain has is a result of his influence in Washington. Would anyone dispute that?</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is ironic in this add is the furor that was raised by the Obama supporters over how low McCain went with his add and now here is Obama hitting back with the same type of add and nary a peep.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Welcome to the gutter of politics Mr. Obama. As he says at the end of the add.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I&#039;m Barak Obama and I approve this message.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is ironic in this add is the furor that was raised by the Obama supporters over how low McCain went with his add and now here is Obama hitting back with the same type of add and nary a peep.</p>
<p>Welcome to the gutter of politics Mr. Obama. As he says at the end of the add.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#39;m Barak Obama and I approve this message.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Obama’s New McCain Is Celebrity Too Campaign Ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama’s New McCain Is Celebrity Too Campaign Ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;T-Steel had an excellent post a week or so back, distinquishing between fame and celebrity. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is what I would call &quot;Looking For Nuance Where None Was Intended.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>T-Steel had an excellent post a week or so back, distinquishing between fame and celebrity. </p></blockquote>
<p>This is what I would call &#8220;Looking For Nuance Where None Was Intended.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, does anyone remember when . . . once-upon-a-time . . . America&#039;s leaders had gravitas.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Truman was widely criticized, while VP, for that famous picture of him playing a piano with a sultry Lauren Bacall atop it in a classic torch singer pose.  Truman kicked himself afterwards about it, and admitted it was a boner.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In contrast:  McCain LOVED hanging with the SNL people. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now it is standard operating procedure for a candidate for president to announce their candidacy on the Tonight Show or Letterman.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What started the sad convergence of Hollywood and Washington?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reagan? Clinton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, does anyone remember when . . . once-upon-a-time . . . America&#39;s leaders had gravitas.</p>
<p>Truman was widely criticized, while VP, for that famous picture of him playing a piano with a sultry Lauren Bacall atop it in a classic torch singer pose.  Truman kicked himself afterwards about it, and admitted it was a boner.</p>
<p>In contrast:  McCain LOVED hanging with the SNL people. </p>
<p>Now it is standard operating procedure for a candidate for president to announce their candidacy on the Tonight Show or Letterman.</p>
<p>What started the sad convergence of Hollywood and Washington?  </p>
<p>Reagan? Clinton?</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Celebrity.  T-Steel had an excellent post a week or so back, distinquishing between fame and celebrity.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;T-Steel was the only person I saw, in all the hoopla about the ads, actually thinking about the concept of &quot;celebrity&quot;.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said,  it is good to see the Obama campaign acknowledging what almost every pundit ... and most folks here at TMV ... have done their best to deny for some reason.  The &quot;Celebrity&quot; ads were a masterstroke.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, McCain cleared loved being on SNL and such.  Equally clearly, for all his time doing this, he has not exploded into celebrity superstardom as Obama has.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When Scarlett Johannsen declares her crush on McCain, there is a mammoth fundraiser for McCain in Hollywood, and McCain and Cindy are on the cover of People in soft focus. . . any one of these,  I will reconsider.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We will never . . . EVER . . . see a mammoth McCain fundraiser in Hollywood (they gave him some handouts when he opposed Bush, that&#039;s about it).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hollywood has given Obama their love.  Good or bad, that makes him &quot;The Celebrity&quot; in this race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Celebrity.  T-Steel had an excellent post a week or so back, distinquishing between fame and celebrity.  </p>
<p>T-Steel was the only person I saw, in all the hoopla about the ads, actually thinking about the concept of &#8220;celebrity&#8221;.    </p>
<p>That said,  it is good to see the Obama campaign acknowledging what almost every pundit &#8230; and most folks here at TMV &#8230; have done their best to deny for some reason.  The &#8220;Celebrity&#8221; ads were a masterstroke.</p>
<p>Yes, McCain cleared loved being on SNL and such.  Equally clearly, for all his time doing this, he has not exploded into celebrity superstardom as Obama has.</p>
<p>When Scarlett Johannsen declares her crush on McCain, there is a mammoth fundraiser for McCain in Hollywood, and McCain and Cindy are on the cover of People in soft focus. . . any one of these,  I will reconsider.</p>
<p>We will never . . . EVER . . . see a mammoth McCain fundraiser in Hollywood (they gave him some handouts when he opposed Bush, that&#39;s about it).  </p>
<p>Hollywood has given Obama their love.  Good or bad, that makes him &#8220;The Celebrity&#8221; in this race.</p>
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		<title>By: RememberNovember</title>
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		<dc:creator>RememberNovember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They forget the fact that running for President makes you an automatic celebrity. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle...&lt;br&gt; and the MSM dances to whatever tune the corporate sponsors play as they lob softballs all day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They forget the fact that running for President makes you an automatic celebrity. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle&#8230;<br /> and the MSM dances to whatever tune the corporate sponsors play as they lob softballs all day.</p>
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