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	<title>Comments on: New Poll Shows Obama Losing Young, Independent, Women Support</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bail out the banks -- arrgh....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s next, a mortgage and credit-card debt Jamboree?  Or interest ceilings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bail out the banks &#8212; arrgh&#8230;.</p>
<p>What&#39;s next, a mortgage and credit-card debt Jamboree?  Or interest ceilings?</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, neo, here&#039;s another non-sequitur from the Messianic one.........let&#039;s tax big oil whose group average earnings to revenue is about 8% according to my math off the Forbes Global 500 numbers and let&#039;s bail out the banks whose similar percentage is about 9%. Who cares about economics when there is good political hay to be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, neo, here&#39;s another non-sequitur from the Messianic one&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;let&#39;s tax big oil whose group average earnings to revenue is about 8% according to my math off the Forbes Global 500 numbers and let&#39;s bail out the banks whose similar percentage is about 9%. Who cares about economics when there is good political hay to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, McCain did well.  Harleys vs. Berliners.  Nice touch.&lt;br&gt;I notice Josh Marshall and a range of surrogates are in full pushback . . . sniping on the edges of the performance . . . highlighting sexist outrages etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Doubtless Marshall saw the female demographic numbers, and is now trying to gin up outrage among women at McCain.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, for the moment, the ads everyone almost everyone dismissed has given McCain the momentum.  The man the MSM was widely dismissing -- &quot;Why is anyone calling this a horserace&quot; I read the other day -- is back in the race.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it is early days.&lt;br&gt;So don&#039;t worry about polls, you lot of Bolshie Democrats and limousine liberals.  Conservatives have learned not to, as they rarely favour us . . . (even when we win :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like most folks this lovely summer,  I am forgeting politics and going to drink copious amounts of beer and see &quot;Batman&quot; in IMAX.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, McCain did well.  Harleys vs. Berliners.  Nice touch.<br />I notice Josh Marshall and a range of surrogates are in full pushback . . . sniping on the edges of the performance . . . highlighting sexist outrages etc. </p>
<p>Doubtless Marshall saw the female demographic numbers, and is now trying to gin up outrage among women at McCain.  </p>
<p>But, for the moment, the ads everyone almost everyone dismissed has given McCain the momentum.  The man the MSM was widely dismissing &#8212; &#8220;Why is anyone calling this a horserace&#8221; I read the other day &#8212; is back in the race.  </p>
<p>But it is early days.<br />So don&#39;t worry about polls, you lot of Bolshie Democrats and limousine liberals.  Conservatives have learned not to, as they rarely favour us . . . (even when we win <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Like most folks this lovely summer,  I am forgeting politics and going to drink copious amounts of beer and see &#8220;Batman&#8221; in IMAX.  </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about demonizing the oil companies. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;some one explain to me why oil companies are evil?  Exxon produces 3 percent of the daily supply of oil to the world.  The big 5 combined account for 10 percent of the oil that is pumped daily?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is it their faults that oil is so high?  That gasoline is so high?  Someone explain to me why a corporation that employees millions of Americans, pays great wages and benefits............is evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s about demonizing the oil companies. </p>
<p>some one explain to me why oil companies are evil?  Exxon produces 3 percent of the daily supply of oil to the world.  The big 5 combined account for 10 percent of the oil that is pumped daily?</p>
<p>Why is it their faults that oil is so high?  That gasoline is so high?  Someone explain to me why a corporation that employees millions of Americans, pays great wages and benefits&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;is evil?</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to energy, good politics and good policy almost NEVER go hand in hand. In today&#039;s Rasmussen poll, a large majority supported Obama&#039;s energy rebate plan. A slight plurality even supported his windfall profits plan. When the two are combine - as Obama does (the windfall tax pays for the rebate) - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_like_obama_s_energy_credit_for_working_families_but_give_mixed_reviews_to_windfall_profits_tax&quot;&gt;support&lt;/a&gt; it 56-32.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We eggheads here at The Moderate Voice can lambaste these idiotic energy plans , but voters like them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Neocon,&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re missing the point of Obama&#039;s ad. It&#039;s about demonizing the oil companies. The point is to create the impression that McCain supports offshore drilling ONLY so he can get oil company donations. Again, probably dubious (though not entirely - McCain knew what would happen if he reversed on drilling) but it feeds the large anti-GOP message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to energy, good politics and good policy almost NEVER go hand in hand. In today&#39;s Rasmussen poll, a large majority supported Obama&#39;s energy rebate plan. A slight plurality even supported his windfall profits plan. When the two are combine &#8211; as Obama does (the windfall tax pays for the rebate) &#8211; <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_like_obama_s_energy_credit_for_working_families_but_give_mixed_reviews_to_windfall_profits_tax">support</a> it 56-32.</p>
<p>We eggheads here at The Moderate Voice can lambaste these idiotic energy plans , but voters like them.</p>
<p>Neocon,<br />You&#39;re missing the point of Obama&#39;s ad. It&#39;s about demonizing the oil companies. The point is to create the impression that McCain supports offshore drilling ONLY so he can get oil company donations. Again, probably dubious (though not entirely &#8211; McCain knew what would happen if he reversed on drilling) but it feeds the large anti-GOP message.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is too funny.  You post one poll saying hes losing support among certain groups then another poll says his support remains strong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the pollsters have become bored and are now making chit up!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is too funny.  You post one poll saying hes losing support among certain groups then another poll says his support remains strong.</p>
<p>I think the pollsters have become bored and are now making chit up!!</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He had his chance. He blew it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe there is plenty of time for recovery, and he will learn again from these latest mistakes.  Smart money is still on him given how uninspiring McCain and the GOP are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He had his chance. He blew it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe there is plenty of time for recovery, and he will learn again from these latest mistakes.  Smart money is still on him given how uninspiring McCain and the GOP are.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; you lower the cost of gasoline they will have more tax money to spend&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some realize this.  The reptiles do not -- they don&#039;t see more activity and more overall revenue from lower taxes -- they only are able to orient their eyes, in thinking of taxes, upward.  &quot;Of course people will still continue to work as hard if taxed at 100% as they are at 50%.  In fact, they&#039;ll typically work twice as hard!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; you lower the cost of gasoline they will have more tax money to spend&#8221;</p>
<p>Some realize this.  The reptiles do not &#8212; they don&#39;t see more activity and more overall revenue from lower taxes &#8212; they only are able to orient their eyes, in thinking of taxes, upward.  &#8220;Of course people will still continue to work as hard if taxed at 100% as they are at 50%.  In fact, they&#39;ll typically work twice as hard!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;more tax money to spend when they are in charge of the candy store&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If fuel prices went down again it would be time to revive the &quot;prices are too low&quot; [sic] or &quot;prices are artificially low&quot; [sic] stuff because many of them still want nice European-level taxes on fuels.  (That may be how we pay some or all of Medicare for All eventually, you realize.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;more tax money to spend when they are in charge of the candy store&#8221;</p>
<p>If fuel prices went down again it would be time to revive the &#8220;prices are too low&#8221; [sic] or &#8220;prices are artificially low&#8221; [sic] stuff because many of them still want nice European-level taxes on fuels.  (That may be how we pay some or all of Medicare for All eventually, you realize.)</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the democrats dont even realize that if you lower the cost of gasoline they will  have more tax money to spend when they are in charge of the candy store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the democrats dont even realize that if you lower the cost of gasoline they will  have more tax money to spend when they are in charge of the candy store.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyre42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyre42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a poll about that yesterday....</description>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What happened. He not only changed his mind and said maybe we should drill....GOOD FOR HIM....but then a couple days later he unleashes adds blasting the Republicans and their wanting to drill.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is hypocritical, but it will escape notice of many Dem voters.  Obama has some weight behind him not when he wants a windfall profits tax on oil companies (which alarms Americans -- here comes Carter again!) but he does well when saying that McCain got campaign contributions from the oil companies and wants to reduce their taxes greatly.  I&#039;m surprised he doesn&#039;t push entirely on this instead of the drilling silliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happened. He not only changed his mind and said maybe we should drill&#8230;.GOOD FOR HIM&#8230;.but then a couple days later he unleashes adds blasting the Republicans and their wanting to drill.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is hypocritical, but it will escape notice of many Dem voters.  Obama has some weight behind him not when he wants a windfall profits tax on oil companies (which alarms Americans &#8212; here comes Carter again!) but he does well when saying that McCain got campaign contributions from the oil companies and wants to reduce their taxes greatly.  I&#39;m surprised he doesn&#39;t push entirely on this instead of the drilling silliness.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe too many polls, T-Steel, but definitely too much reaction to them each day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chris, no-drilling is a zero-IQ position.  To compromise on this is to acknowledge reality.  No compromise here is just stupid as well as childish and unrealistic.  Now Obama has to reassure Americans that he is not one of those no-drilling fools.  (He had better tread much more lightly than McCain on the global warming issue as well.)  He has recently alarmed Americans with his Carteresque nanny-state conservation suggestion.  He has some recovering to do, even if self-blinded idealogues don&#039;t see this fact.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s anti-nuclear nonsense is also just that, nonsense.  (Leftist anti-nuclear idiocy involves deviltry that rivals that with Bush or Reagan and may exceed worship of Obama this year.)  He should say it makes sense if we can get the costs down. (That includes junk lawsuit reform.)  Nuclear energy is cost-prohibitive at startup, yet McCain looks like a sage compared to Obama on nuclear energy (the hard-core anti-nuclear people are deliberately ignorant and frequently pathological and even perverse in their lack of reasoning -- they are anti-technology, anti-science-and-engineering, anti-progress).  When McCain refers to &quot;clean coal,&quot; about which some of us can see highly-purified, very-cleanly-burning transportation fuels derived from coal, McCain is once again the one making sense -- no wonder even someone as droll as he is starting to recover, while Obama is suffering from recent self-inflicted wounds, which only fools don&#039;t recognize as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe too many polls, T-Steel, but definitely too much reaction to them each day.</p>
<p>Chris, no-drilling is a zero-IQ position.  To compromise on this is to acknowledge reality.  No compromise here is just stupid as well as childish and unrealistic.  Now Obama has to reassure Americans that he is not one of those no-drilling fools.  (He had better tread much more lightly than McCain on the global warming issue as well.)  He has recently alarmed Americans with his Carteresque nanny-state conservation suggestion.  He has some recovering to do, even if self-blinded idealogues don&#39;t see this fact.</p>
<p>Obama&#39;s anti-nuclear nonsense is also just that, nonsense.  (Leftist anti-nuclear idiocy involves deviltry that rivals that with Bush or Reagan and may exceed worship of Obama this year.)  He should say it makes sense if we can get the costs down. (That includes junk lawsuit reform.)  Nuclear energy is cost-prohibitive at startup, yet McCain looks like a sage compared to Obama on nuclear energy (the hard-core anti-nuclear people are deliberately ignorant and frequently pathological and even perverse in their lack of reasoning &#8212; they are anti-technology, anti-science-and-engineering, anti-progress).  When McCain refers to &#8220;clean coal,&#8221; about which some of us can see highly-purified, very-cleanly-burning transportation fuels derived from coal, McCain is once again the one making sense &#8212; no wonder even someone as droll as he is starting to recover, while Obama is suffering from recent self-inflicted wounds, which only fools don&#39;t recognize as such.</p>
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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or do we have too many polls?</description>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nugget of wisdom: &lt;br&gt;Compromise is not an end in and of itself.</description>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has portrayed himself as a candidate who can bring people together and get things done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The last couple days he had the chance to do that with drilling.  Instead of encouraging his party to accept compromise for something like drilling for more oil in favor of accepting more funding for Alternatives...........in other words a compromise.......that helps everyone.  He simply did the rope a dope till the party could tell him what to do.  In this case.......come out swinging and portray the GOP as big oil suck ups who want to destroy America.  Some compromise. Some Lets all get along.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What happened.  He not only changed his mind and said maybe we should drill....GOOD FOR HIM....but then a couple days later he unleashes adds blasting the Republicans and their wanting to drill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He had his chance.  He blew it.  There is not compromise in the Democrats and they sure as the dickens arent going to let Obama compromise.  It is as most  people have been speculating, nothing more then smoke and mirrors to get elected.  The first real challenge, the first real test of the moderate Obama  reveals a party that seems incapable of understanding just what it is they are asking America to believe.  In fact they will not and would not compromise on anything.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have said before, while Obama might be a swell guy who really does want to change he is anchored to a party that is trying desperately to make it 3 in a row...........They are the only party that can blow a 100 point half time lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has portrayed himself as a candidate who can bring people together and get things done.</p>
<p>The last couple days he had the chance to do that with drilling.  Instead of encouraging his party to accept compromise for something like drilling for more oil in favor of accepting more funding for Alternatives&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..in other words a compromise&#8230;&#8230;.that helps everyone.  He simply did the rope a dope till the party could tell him what to do.  In this case&#8230;&#8230;.come out swinging and portray the GOP as big oil suck ups who want to destroy America.  Some compromise. Some Lets all get along.</p>
<p>What happened.  He not only changed his mind and said maybe we should drill&#8230;.GOOD FOR HIM&#8230;.but then a couple days later he unleashes adds blasting the Republicans and their wanting to drill.</p>
<p>He had his chance.  He blew it.  There is not compromise in the Democrats and they sure as the dickens arent going to let Obama compromise.  It is as most  people have been speculating, nothing more then smoke and mirrors to get elected.  The first real challenge, the first real test of the moderate Obama  reveals a party that seems incapable of understanding just what it is they are asking America to believe.  In fact they will not and would not compromise on anything.   </p>
<p>I have said before, while Obama might be a swell guy who really does want to change he is anchored to a party that is trying desperately to make it 3 in a row&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..They are the only party that can blow a 100 point half time lead.</p>
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