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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21541/the-wrong-birthday-present-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-126144</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s next, attacks on credit card companies as well as mortgageurs, price controls in the form of interest rate limits, or even a &quot;debt jamboree&quot; or partial declared write-off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s next, attacks on credit card companies as well as mortgageurs, price controls in the form of interest rate limits, or even a &#8220;debt jamboree&#8221; or partial declared write-off?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21541/the-wrong-birthday-present-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-126143</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama can get away with style over substance as far as getting elected, but what then?  That&#039;s what I&#039;m awaiting.  I&#039;m honestly intrigued.  How much Establishment, how much new ideas and innovation, how much retrogression to Sixties radicalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama can get away with style over substance as far as getting elected, but what then?  That&#39;s what I&#39;m awaiting.  I&#39;m honestly intrigued.  How much Establishment, how much new ideas and innovation, how much retrogression to Sixties radicalism.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21541/the-wrong-birthday-present-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-126141</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to realize, Neocon, that PC and reverse racism and the hypocrisy of the Left are at stake here, which extends beyond mere Obama-worship.  It&#039;s criminal to criticize or dispute or worst of all, annihilate whatever &quot;argument&quot; Obama or his supporters may make or what stunt they pull that is obviously wrong or ridiculous.  Elrod has been wrong about Obama being another Reagan in the 1980 elections (there is no widespread rejection of conservatism this year the way there was in 1980 -- it&#039;s Bush and the current GOP, which is something else -- and Obama has been hyped and worshipped, not undercut and slandered, by the media) but there is something that we saw as a reaction by the losing side in 1980, same as in 1984 and in 2000 after Bush won and the Dems failed in their scummy effort to steal what they lost.  There is resentment at being rejected.  They&#039;re OUTRAGED! [tm] that anyone dares question the Gospel of Government (&quot;everything was splendid throughout the 1960s and 1970s and the older Northeast and Midwest remained the model for the USA and the world until that bastard REAGAN ruined this country&quot;) and they&#039;re OUTRAGED! [tm[] that anyone dare not fall on his or her feet and worship St. Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reality is different.  Even if the media want to distort things in their Obama campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to realize, Neocon, that PC and reverse racism and the hypocrisy of the Left are at stake here, which extends beyond mere Obama-worship.  It&#39;s criminal to criticize or dispute or worst of all, annihilate whatever &#8220;argument&#8221; Obama or his supporters may make or what stunt they pull that is obviously wrong or ridiculous.  Elrod has been wrong about Obama being another Reagan in the 1980 elections (there is no widespread rejection of conservatism this year the way there was in 1980 &#8212; it&#39;s Bush and the current GOP, which is something else &#8212; and Obama has been hyped and worshipped, not undercut and slandered, by the media) but there is something that we saw as a reaction by the losing side in 1980, same as in 1984 and in 2000 after Bush won and the Dems failed in their scummy effort to steal what they lost.  There is resentment at being rejected.  They&#39;re OUTRAGED! [tm] that anyone dares question the Gospel of Government (&#8221;everything was splendid throughout the 1960s and 1970s and the older Northeast and Midwest remained the model for the USA and the world until that bastard REAGAN ruined this country&#8221;) and they&#39;re OUTRAGED! [tm[] that anyone dare not fall on his or her feet and worship St. Obama.</p>
<p>Reality is different.  Even if the media want to distort things in their Obama campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21541/the-wrong-birthday-present-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-126138</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue is that Obama is appealing to his Dem core, the children who view Washington as their parent and who wait for Washington to tell them what to do.  While liars say that McCain is another Bush, Obama plainly is aping Carter with this stupid conservation-minded piece of -- trivia when it comes to energy policiy and the relationship of the federal government to fully grown men and women (even if in so many Dem voter cases, this process is retarded).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue is that Obama is appealing to his Dem core, the children who view Washington as their parent and who wait for Washington to tell them what to do.  While liars say that McCain is another Bush, Obama plainly is aping Carter with this stupid conservation-minded piece of &#8212; trivia when it comes to energy policiy and the relationship of the federal government to fully grown men and women (even if in so many Dem voter cases, this process is retarded).</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barak Obama laughs and makes fun when someone says something negative about him.  He turns it around and makes it seem as if the attacker is wrong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain and his staff are doing the same thing to Obama and they don&#039;t like it.  When Obama says something they turn it into a joke.  This is infuriating Obama&#039;s base and yet it is precisely what they have been doing to their opponents for years now.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Its brilliant.  Not going to get much done in government but its brilliant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would talk more about the energy problem but whats the use.  Ill say drill.  The rest of the gang will show up and say it wont work.  We will argue about it today.  Then a day or two later someone will post on energy.  Ill say drill, they will say no, we will rehash the same arguments and then wait for the next post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barak Obama laughs and makes fun when someone says something negative about him.  He turns it around and makes it seem as if the attacker is wrong.</p>
<p>McCain and his staff are doing the same thing to Obama and they don&#39;t like it.  When Obama says something they turn it into a joke.  This is infuriating Obama&#39;s base and yet it is precisely what they have been doing to their opponents for years now.</p>
<p>Its brilliant.  Not going to get much done in government but its brilliant.</p>
<p>I would talk more about the energy problem but whats the use.  Ill say drill.  The rest of the gang will show up and say it wont work.  We will argue about it today.  Then a day or two later someone will post on energy.  Ill say drill, they will say no, we will rehash the same arguments and then wait for the next post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama (and everyone else who gets the chance) should accept the tire gauge gift -- and use it. It really &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; make a difference. Obviously, it&#039;s not the only thing, but it actually could make as much or more difference than domestic drilling might. And it&#039;s not only Obama that&#039;s saying so, it&#039;s Bush&#039;s own &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/31/doeepa-say-obamas-right-limbaughs-wrong-more-oil-can-be-found-in-your-car-than-offshore/#more-3487&quot;&gt;DOE and EPA&lt;/a&gt;. And if that&#039;s not good enough, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nascar.com/2006/auto/07/25/tires/&quot;&gt; listen to NASCAR&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, keeping your tires properly inflated and your car properly tuned doesn&#039;t obviate domestic drilling. They are not either/or choices. But to ridicule the former while championing the latter is just silly. And it&#039;s especially silly if you want to make a difference in how much you pay to drive RIGHT NOW. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps in response to the tire gauge gimmick Obama should pass out savings bonds with a face value of 2 cents, payable in 15 years, because according the the EIA, that&#039;s about how much opening up all of the OCS will impact gasoline prices per gallon sometime in the 2020s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama (and everyone else who gets the chance) should accept the tire gauge gift &#8212; and use it. It really <i>can</i> make a difference. Obviously, it&#39;s not the only thing, but it actually could make as much or more difference than domestic drilling might. And it&#39;s not only Obama that&#39;s saying so, it&#39;s Bush&#39;s own <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/31/doeepa-say-obamas-right-limbaughs-wrong-more-oil-can-be-found-in-your-car-than-offshore/#more-3487">DOE and EPA</a>. And if that&#39;s not good enough, <a href="http://www.nascar.com/2006/auto/07/25/tires/"> listen to NASCAR</a>. </p>
<p>Of course, keeping your tires properly inflated and your car properly tuned doesn&#39;t obviate domestic drilling. They are not either/or choices. But to ridicule the former while championing the latter is just silly. And it&#39;s especially silly if you want to make a difference in how much you pay to drive RIGHT NOW. </p>
<p>Perhaps in response to the tire gauge gimmick Obama should pass out savings bonds with a face value of 2 cents, payable in 15 years, because according the the EIA, that&#39;s about how much opening up all of the OCS will impact gasoline prices per gallon sometime in the 2020s.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisAndersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisAndersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just say that people&#039;s response to this is starting to piss me off. This is the umpteenth blog post I&#039;ve read this morning suggesting that the whole &quot;tire guage&quot; stunt is silly and just proves McCain has no serious proposals for handling our energy problems. That is correct. But it misses the bigger point: The stunt is not meant to be a serious criticism of Obama&#039;s energy plan. It is meant to plant the idea in the low-information voter&#039;s mind that it is Obama that isn&#039;t taking our energy problems seriously. The purpose of this stunt is to paint Obama as being naive about how to deal with our problems.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does not matter if the joke is a joke. It does not matter if &quot;keep your tires inflated&quot; is not the whole of Obama&#039;s energy plan. It does not matter if McCain has no serious counter-proposal. All that matters is fooling voters into thinking that Obama isn&#039;t serious. That is all McCain has to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And just treating this stunt as nothing more than a stunt is playing right into the game.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are mocking Obama. Obama needs to mock them back. He needs to hold up one of these tire gauges as PROOF that McCain has no serious proposal for solving our energy problems. That McCain would rather waste the voters time making jokes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We need to mock them back. We need to hammer them on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just say that people&#39;s response to this is starting to piss me off. This is the umpteenth blog post I&#39;ve read this morning suggesting that the whole &#8220;tire guage&#8221; stunt is silly and just proves McCain has no serious proposals for handling our energy problems. That is correct. But it misses the bigger point: The stunt is not meant to be a serious criticism of Obama&#39;s energy plan. It is meant to plant the idea in the low-information voter&#39;s mind that it is Obama that isn&#39;t taking our energy problems seriously. The purpose of this stunt is to paint Obama as being naive about how to deal with our problems.</p>
<p>It does not matter if the joke is a joke. It does not matter if &#8220;keep your tires inflated&#8221; is not the whole of Obama&#39;s energy plan. It does not matter if McCain has no serious counter-proposal. All that matters is fooling voters into thinking that Obama isn&#39;t serious. That is all McCain has to do.</p>
<p>And just treating this stunt as nothing more than a stunt is playing right into the game.</p>
<p>They are mocking Obama. Obama needs to mock them back. He needs to hold up one of these tire gauges as PROOF that McCain has no serious proposal for solving our energy problems. That McCain would rather waste the voters time making jokes.</p>
<p>We need to mock them back. We need to hammer them on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike_P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least it&#039;s less insulting than purple Band Aids.  Oh, and note that in the last three paragraphs in that enlightening plane story, McCain&#039;s plane is described, oddly with much less snark, as very similar if &quot;slightly smaller.&quot;  Josh Marshall has a little fun with it as well, pointing to an old article describing Sen. Kerry&#039;s plane similarly, as well as Bush&#039;s campaign plane in &#039;00. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-05-25-kerry-plane_x.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/...&lt;/a&gt;.  On the larger point, a single campaign plane is probably no less fuel  efficient than the campaigns using multiple buses and individual vehicles to travel nationwide 24/7, and are a requirement anyway these days.  It&#039;s a big country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least it&#39;s less insulting than purple Band Aids.  Oh, and note that in the last three paragraphs in that enlightening plane story, McCain&#39;s plane is described, oddly with much less snark, as very similar if &#8220;slightly smaller.&#8221;  Josh Marshall has a little fun with it as well, pointing to an old article describing Sen. Kerry&#39;s plane similarly, as well as Bush&#39;s campaign plane in &#39;00. <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-05-25-kerry-plane_x.htm"></a><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/.." rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/..</a>..  On the larger point, a single campaign plane is probably no less fuel  efficient than the campaigns using multiple buses and individual vehicles to travel nationwide 24/7, and are a requirement anyway these days.  It&#39;s a big country!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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