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		<title>By: pabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>pabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pacatrue -- On your last comment, bingo!  That&#039;s precisely what I was thinking.  Only, you said it simpler and clearer than I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacatrue &#8212; On your last comment, bingo!  That&#39;s precisely what I was thinking.  Only, you said it simpler and clearer than I did.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, runasim. (No, haven&#039;t read Nudge.) Yeah, there&#039;s definitely supposed to be federal involvement in Pete&#039;s plan. I was saying we can&#039;t allow the following scenario to happen:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Fed govt issues requirements for states to meet as they see best.&lt;br&gt;2) Minnesota does it best.&lt;br&gt;3) Federal government now tells the other 49 states they have to do it like Minnesota did it.&lt;br&gt;4) States respond: &quot;But we are meeting the requirements you issued.&quot;&lt;br&gt;5) Fed government: &quot;Well, now the requirement is for you to do it like Minnesota.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course if Minnesota has the best example of one program, then the feds, under the DNS model, should point this out and help other states do it this way as well. Perhaps there should be incentives to do it that way as well, such as bonus funds for exceeding the requirements, but they shouldn&#039;t force everyone to do it the exact same way. Otherwise, it&#039;s entirely DC-driven again, which is what the DNS model is supposed to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, runasim. (No, haven&#39;t read Nudge.) Yeah, there&#39;s definitely supposed to be federal involvement in Pete&#39;s plan. I was saying we can&#39;t allow the following scenario to happen:</p>
<p>1) Fed govt issues requirements for states to meet as they see best.<br />2) Minnesota does it best.<br />3) Federal government now tells the other 49 states they have to do it like Minnesota did it.<br />4) States respond: &#8220;But we are meeting the requirements you issued.&#8221;<br />5) Fed government: &#8220;Well, now the requirement is for you to do it like Minnesota.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course if Minnesota has the best example of one program, then the feds, under the DNS model, should point this out and help other states do it this way as well. Perhaps there should be incentives to do it that way as well, such as bonus funds for exceeding the requirements, but they shouldn&#39;t force everyone to do it the exact same way. Otherwise, it&#39;s entirely DC-driven again, which is what the DNS model is supposed to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pacatrue,&lt;br&gt;I feel we, the commenters on Pete&#039;s posts are on a carousel, going around and around the same concerns and quibbles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To wit;  wouldn&#039;t mandating your &#039;basic federal requiremsnts&#039; also be a form of central government&#039;s intervention?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe I&#039;m wrong, but I read the DNS plan to be very fluid, with carrots and sticks interceding between mandatory requirenments and the laissez-faire of &#039;our inept government&#039;. &lt;br&gt;Maybe reading a copy of Nudge would help, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacatrue,<br />I feel we, the commenters on Pete&#39;s posts are on a carousel, going around and around the same concerns and quibbles.</p>
<p>To wit;  wouldn&#39;t mandating your &#39;basic federal requiremsnts&#39; also be a form of central government&#39;s intervention?</p>
<p>Maybe I&#39;m wrong, but I read the DNS plan to be very fluid, with carrots and sticks interceding between mandatory requirenments and the laissez-faire of &#39;our inept government&#39;. <br />Maybe reading a copy of Nudge would help, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Pete!.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder if Pat Buchanan would have dismissed the founding of the USA as &#039;just an ideological construct&#039; and &#039;not rreal&#039;, if he&#039;d been around at the time.  His comments made me laugh.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It sounds like a good beginning for a good plan.   If I&#039;m not swooning, it&#039;s only because I&#039;ve seen too many good ideas run up against insurmountable obstacles, and I&#039;ve grown  leery of new  disappointments.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I especially like how the roles of central government and the members of the network are defined and interrelated.  &lt;br&gt;It&#039;s really this final installment that explained the first two.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m still not sure how Goldwater fits in.   I see him as the inspiration for the developtement of this current model, not as its prototype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Pete!.</p>
<p>I wonder if Pat Buchanan would have dismissed the founding of the USA as &#39;just an ideological construct&#39; and &#39;not rreal&#39;, if he&#39;d been around at the time.  His comments made me laugh.  </p>
<p>It sounds like a good beginning for a good plan.   If I&#39;m not swooning, it&#39;s only because I&#39;ve seen too many good ideas run up against insurmountable obstacles, and I&#39;ve grown  leery of new  disappointments.  </p>
<p>I especially like how the roles of central government and the members of the network are defined and interrelated.  <br />It&#39;s really this final installment that explained the first two.</p>
<p>I&#39;m still not sure how Goldwater fits in.   I see him as the inspiration for the developtement of this current model, not as its prototype.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment on centralization and decentralization reminds me of an old Dilbert cartoon. The details escape me, but one consultant comes in and decentralizes everything. Brilliant, they yell. Then the next consultant comes in and centralizes it all. Brilliant, they yell. And back and forth it goes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pete, one thing that seems critical in your plan is that states, or other smaller-than-federal entities, aren&#039;t just laboratories and pilot studies. They are also the end state (pun intended). While it would be appropriate in your plan for the federal government to help other states implement the best practices that one state has learned (I feel like I&#039;m in corporate America again! I&#039;m going to go leverage something), they should not require it. To require that all states implement the best from one state is de facto centralization. A state should be free to offer a less than ideal solution as long as it continues to meet the basic federal requirements. This will at times allow one state&#039;s people to suffer with inept management, but, to paraphrase Ghandi, &quot;at least it will be our inept management.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment on centralization and decentralization reminds me of an old Dilbert cartoon. The details escape me, but one consultant comes in and decentralizes everything. Brilliant, they yell. Then the next consultant comes in and centralizes it all. Brilliant, they yell. And back and forth it goes.</p>
<p>Pete, one thing that seems critical in your plan is that states, or other smaller-than-federal entities, aren&#39;t just laboratories and pilot studies. They are also the end state (pun intended). While it would be appropriate in your plan for the federal government to help other states implement the best practices that one state has learned (I feel like I&#39;m in corporate America again! I&#39;m going to go leverage something), they should not require it. To require that all states implement the best from one state is de facto centralization. A state should be free to offer a less than ideal solution as long as it continues to meet the basic federal requirements. This will at times allow one state&#39;s people to suffer with inept management, but, to paraphrase Ghandi, &#8220;at least it will be our inept management.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Washington’s support of the DNS model — via standard-setting, catalyzing, and backstopping — could (and hopefully will) lead to a shrinking of the federal government, as our dispersed network of cities, counties, and states takes greater and more-effective ownership of constituent issues&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s why they&#039;ll resist it, Pete.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;No: Federalism and free-market enterprise are not the only answers. But they do offer instructive models, decent starting points, for the DNS approach and its proven benefits.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absolutely.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With centralization-decentralization contrast you might be able to find within our business world (which is far from 100% free enterprise) distinctions such as the way the Big Three used to be run and in many ways are still run (compounded by the obsolete UAW set of unrealistic expectations) as opposed to, say, Toyota, or, say, IBM versus Cisco.  [wink]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Washington’s support of the DNS model — via standard-setting, catalyzing, and backstopping — could (and hopefully will) lead to a shrinking of the federal government, as our dispersed network of cities, counties, and states takes greater and more-effective ownership of constituent issues&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s why they&#39;ll resist it, Pete.</p>
<p>&#8220;No: Federalism and free-market enterprise are not the only answers. But they do offer instructive models, decent starting points, for the DNS approach and its proven benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>With centralization-decentralization contrast you might be able to find within our business world (which is far from 100% free enterprise) distinctions such as the way the Big Three used to be run and in many ways are still run (compounded by the obsolete UAW set of unrealistic expectations) as opposed to, say, Toyota, or, say, IBM versus Cisco.  [wink]</p>
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