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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21408/veepstakes-obamas-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-126172</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vast&quot;: I stand corrected.  I also should have been more clear -- the war had widespread support at the time it was launched.  People even had a good overall view of Bush at that time.  But twenty (as opposed to, say, two) per cent opposition cannot be ignored.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=60&quot;&gt;http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=60&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;An overwhelming majority (74%) continues to support the military action in Iraq and the president&#039;s leadership on this issue, while a minority of about 20% has, since the start of the conflict, consistently said the war in Iraq was the wrong thing to do. The public approves of the president&#039;s handling of Iraq by more than four-to-one (77% to 17% disapproval).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://people-press.org/report/182/modest-bush-approval-rating-boost-at-wars-end&quot;&gt;http://people-press.org/report/182/modest-bush-...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vast&#8221;: I stand corrected.  I also should have been more clear &#8212; the war had widespread support at the time it was launched.  People even had a good overall view of Bush at that time.  But twenty (as opposed to, say, two) per cent opposition cannot be ignored.</p>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=60">http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=60</a></p>
<p>&#8220;An overwhelming majority (74%) continues to support the military action in Iraq and the president&#39;s leadership on this issue, while a minority of about 20% has, since the start of the conflict, consistently said the war in Iraq was the wrong thing to do. The public approves of the president&#39;s handling of Iraq by more than four-to-one (77% to 17% disapproval).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/report/182/modest-bush-approval-rating-boost-at-wars-end">http://people-press.org/report/182/modest-bush-&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21408/veepstakes-obamas-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-126168</link>
		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama will be able to &quot;spin&quot; any pro-war (pro-vast-majority-USA-at-the-time) VP choice, or simply ignore it and it likely won&#039;t even be an issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq18.htm&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t think vast-majority means what you think it means.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama will be able to &#8220;spin&#8221; any pro-war (pro-vast-majority-USA-at-the-time) VP choice, or simply ignore it and it likely won&#39;t even be an issue.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq18.htm">I don&#39;t think vast-majority means what you think it means.</a></p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21408/veepstakes-obamas-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-126164</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama will be able to &quot;spin&quot; any pro-war (pro-vast-majority-USA-at-the-time) VP choice, or simply ignore it and it likely won&#039;t even be an issue.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bottom line right now is I suspect Obama will likely make a good choice, whereas who knows what McCain is going to do at this point.  (Don&#039;t forget in addition to any blunders by McCain that many Republicans may not want to sign aboard the Titanic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will be able to &#8220;spin&#8221; any pro-war (pro-vast-majority-USA-at-the-time) VP choice, or simply ignore it and it likely won&#39;t even be an issue.</p>
<p>Bottom line right now is I suspect Obama will likely make a good choice, whereas who knows what McCain is going to do at this point.  (Don&#39;t forget in addition to any blunders by McCain that many Republicans may not want to sign aboard the Titanic.)</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then why not Hillary?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still have my money on Richardson.  Two firsts are more then the nation could handle I think........Black and a Woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then why not Hillary?</p>
<p>I still have my money on Richardson.  Two firsts are more then the nation could handle I think&#8230;&#8230;..Black and a Woman.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21408/veepstakes-obamas-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-126160</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On MSNBC this morning they mentioned the people above along with Hillary, Hagel and Todd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I have to repeat. Bayh and Biden both voted FOR WAR IN IRAQ.  How is he going to justify this when he bashed Hillary for months over voting FOR the war and indicating that to do so was poor judgement?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think Obama would do well with someone who offers a different view.  I don&#039;t want any administration filled with &quot;Yes men&quot;.  The best ideas are brought about by true discussion and brainstorming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On MSNBC this morning they mentioned the people above along with Hillary, Hagel and Todd.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have to repeat. Bayh and Biden both voted FOR WAR IN IRAQ.  How is he going to justify this when he bashed Hillary for months over voting FOR the war and indicating that to do so was poor judgement?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Obama would do well with someone who offers a different view.  I don&#39;t want any administration filled with &#8220;Yes men&#8221;.  The best ideas are brought about by true discussion and brainstorming.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to repeat.  Bayh and Biden both voted FOR WAR IN IRAQ.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How is he going to justify this when he bashed Hillary for months over voting FOR the war and indicating that to do so was poor judgement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to repeat.  Bayh and Biden both voted FOR WAR IN IRAQ.</p>
<p>How is he going to justify this when he bashed Hillary for months over voting FOR the war and indicating that to do so was poor judgement?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On current lefty-talk radio I have heard no mention of Sibelius lately.  PC-driven reverse-sexism &quot;identity politics&quot; is already at work with the Dems&#039; presidential candidate; more such game-playing might make the play-pen crowd here and elsewhere swoon and feel psychotically superior, but would risk repelling a number of voters.  &quot;Affirmative action&quot; (reverse discrimination) as policy has no place when it comes to either the presidential or vice presidential nomination.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most interesting remark about Kaine is what I heard on Bill Press&#039;s show this morning. (The lefties are routinely logic-deficient and sometimes behavior-deficient, but one or two decent lefty-talk shows offer an occasional gem burned in the -- trash.)  In criticizing Kaine, Press was saying &quot;Nobody has heard of him before, he has no experience...,&quot;  which is exactly the liability having to be overcome by Obama.  I didn&#039;t hear Tom Hartmann at lunch to hear if, between bouts of stupid Reagan-bashing, he had anything to say about VP choices.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Clinton, she would be fine as a VP; it&#039;s really up to her.  Ed Schultz (greater loudness level and less logic than Sean Hannity, an analogue on the right -- bow-wow-wow) made a good point, that it&#039;s too early to flush Clinton down the toilet as a VP choice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jim Webb and Bill Richardson are also favorites on lefty talk radio.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Evan Bayh is almost never mentioned.  He&#039;s a 1990s fake-centrist &quot;Third Way&quot; DNC establishment insider who would be natural as Clinton&#039;s VP but not Obama&#039;s -- the progressives would not be satisfied.  Obama gains nothing with Bayh.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;criticized by the media and the Republicans alike,&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The media are active Obama campaigners and they&#039;d invent some way to make Kaine look good.  Probably based on that abused and misused word, &quot;change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On current lefty-talk radio I have heard no mention of Sibelius lately.  PC-driven reverse-sexism &#8220;identity politics&#8221; is already at work with the Dems&#39; presidential candidate; more such game-playing might make the play-pen crowd here and elsewhere swoon and feel psychotically superior, but would risk repelling a number of voters.  &#8220;Affirmative action&#8221; (reverse discrimination) as policy has no place when it comes to either the presidential or vice presidential nomination.</p>
<p>The most interesting remark about Kaine is what I heard on Bill Press&#39;s show this morning. (The lefties are routinely logic-deficient and sometimes behavior-deficient, but one or two decent lefty-talk shows offer an occasional gem burned in the &#8212; trash.)  In criticizing Kaine, Press was saying &#8220;Nobody has heard of him before, he has no experience&#8230;,&#8221;  which is exactly the liability having to be overcome by Obama.  I didn&#39;t hear Tom Hartmann at lunch to hear if, between bouts of stupid Reagan-bashing, he had anything to say about VP choices.</p>
<p>As for Clinton, she would be fine as a VP; it&#39;s really up to her.  Ed Schultz (greater loudness level and less logic than Sean Hannity, an analogue on the right &#8212; bow-wow-wow) made a good point, that it&#39;s too early to flush Clinton down the toilet as a VP choice.</p>
<p>Jim Webb and Bill Richardson are also favorites on lefty talk radio.</p>
<p>Evan Bayh is almost never mentioned.  He&#39;s a 1990s fake-centrist &#8220;Third Way&#8221; DNC establishment insider who would be natural as Clinton&#39;s VP but not Obama&#39;s &#8212; the progressives would not be satisfied.  Obama gains nothing with Bayh.</p>
<p>&#8220;criticized by the media and the Republicans alike,&#8221;</p>
<p>The media are active Obama campaigners and they&#39;d invent some way to make Kaine look good.  Probably based on that abused and misused word, &#8220;change.&#8221;</p>
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