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Bloomberg Wants Independents To Organize To Increase Power

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It’s like the old cliche popular in Spain in the 1970s after the death of dictator Francisco Franco when Spain successfully transitioned to democracy: if anarchists are really anarchists, how could they organize or even think about running for elections?

And now, in a new twist on that thought, there’s an idea from New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who sparked an epidemic of political navel-gazing about his 2008 Presidential aspirations (he decided not to jump into the fray) earlier this year: independent voters should organize and vote as a bloc in November.

In other words: just as Democrats and Republicans are prone to vote how their party wants them to, independent voters would be asked to be sure to vote how the people heading an organization or how a prominent independent voter says they should vote. If not, it will be implied that they are short-sighted voters, not voting for the greater independent voter good but selfishly (independently).

Never mind that for many voters being an independent voter means you shop around a bit more, take criticism because you want to read and listen and ask more questions, ignoring claims you have to vote a certain way to be a loyal and good member of a political group or that you’re wishy-washy or without principles because you don’t automatically back a certain party’s agenda or pick up a party’s talking points.

But Bloomberg wants independent voters to be — other-directed independent voters according to the New York Times:

He has officially ruled out an independent bid for the presidency and dismissed the idea of changing term limits laws in New York City so he can run for mayor a third time. Talk of his potential selection as a running mate for one of the presidential candidates has also died down. Still, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg continues to find ways to play a role on the national political stage.

He has officially ruled out an independent bid for the presidency and dismissed the idea of changing term limits laws in New York City so he can run for mayor a third time. Talk of his potential selection as a running mate for one of the presidential candidates has also died down. Still, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg continues to find ways to play a role on the national political stage.

“Just because we’re independents doesn’t mean we can’t, or shouldn’t, organize,” said Mr. Bloomberg, a longtime Democrat who became a Republican when he first ran for mayor seven years ago and then relinquished all ties to political parties last summer. “That’s how you shape the debate and win elections.”

Still, Bloomberg is no dummy. He addressed head on the teeney-weenie complication of independent voters now being asked to become like other voting blocs and vote according to how someone else wants them to vote so that others can use their political values to proclaim how they voted was the “correct way’ if they are independent voters:

The suggestion seems counterintuitive, as autonomy and individualism are sacrosanct among independents. And Mr. Bloomberg said as much in his remarks, recognizing that his idea might sound “antithetical” at first glance. But he also said that political independence has sometimes morphed into chaos, with like-minded voters resembling “an unorganized mass of individuals who can’t agree on anything.”

“We have to start demonstrating to the candidates that we have what they need more than anything else: votes,” he said.

He’s correct: the problem becomes trying to find a way to harness the power of one of the fastest growing groups of voters in the American policy.

When it comes to being an independent, Bloomberg has seemingly walked the walk, but taken heat for it when he praises one candidate or another. He now insists he is not ready to endorse yet and might not until election day. That is how many independent voters vote.

Before he recently spoke in Minnesota, Republicans reportedly put out the word that he was going to praise Republican presumptive nominee Sen. John McCain in a speech and virtually endorse the Arizona Senator., He took heat from members of Minnesota’s Independence Party for his alleged plans. But when the moment came, Bloomberg did no such thing, making it clear his concern was an independent voter political infrastructure, rather than jumping on a specific candidate’s bandwagon before the conventions are even held.

Bloomberg’s high profile name has been batted about as a possible running mate for both McCain and the Democrat’s likely nominee Sen. Barack Obama — but mostly by pundits. There were political rumors several months ago about McCain-Bloomberg. And rumors about an Obama-Bloomberg ticket. But the speculation about the New York millionaire running on a major party ticket as Veep or even launching his own bid proved to be just that.

Bloomberg’s idea about increased independent voter clout is a practical one. There have been quiet efforts in the past on the part of some to look into whether it was possible to organize an independent voter PAC. And there are third parties that have used the name “independent” in their title.

But independent voters aren’t independent voters if they’re told by a bigwig or organization that they must vote a certain way or take certain stands in order to be independent. Republicans will have their own idea of what is independent (supporting them in the end) as will Democrats (supporting them in the end).

And someone suggesting that independent voters should let their votes be influenced by what an independent voter group tells them is the “correct” stance or by some rich or not-so-rich bigwig who is an independent telling them what is in the interest of them being independents seems destined for two things:

1. If an organization came about, it would be in danger of becoming just one more political group with self-interest and a specific agenda that could be influenced by interests and political personalities. It’d be one more “group think” political mechanism.

2. Any such organization would face an uphill battle since many true independent voters will treat its suggestions as they treat other those from political parties: something to seriously consider but not something that they are compelled in any way to be bound by out of any need to be defined by others when they finally cast their ballots.

But other inquiring — and independent — minds may disagree…

  • I'm not antithetical to looking into a new party (I've been researching, among others, the Libertarians and the New American Independent Party) or bloc, but I think for many Independents, it'd have to be centrist in nature, in order to attract the largest number of participants. It'd also need a centrist leader. Too partisan of a figure, and it'd turn off many Independents, since too much partisanship is one reason why some become Independent (like me).

    It's an interesting idea, but I don't think there's enough time. Maybe if this was earlier in the year.
  • superdestroyer
    AS the Republican Party completes its death spiral and the Democratic Party becomes the only relevant political party, the real discussion should be on what the role of the independents will be Will they be willing to register as Democrats in order to vote in Democratic Primaries. Will the indepenent be the deciding voters in the few contested Democratic contests. Or will independents be as irrelevant as the repubicans as the Democratic Party moves its selection process into private by using such as thea the DCCC/DSCC?

    The onloy thing is certain is that indepents will be much less relevant in the coming one party state.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    Bloomberg would like independents to organize in order to increase his own power.

    Seriously. He's term-limited out of the Mayor's office. He's not running for President. The next obvious office for him is Governor of New York. But since he burnished his own credentials as an independent by leaving the Republican Party, burning that bridge in the process, he has no obvious way to get there.

    Except that New York State has several sort of viable third parties. The Independence Party is center-right, the Working Family Party is center-left. The Conservative Party is farther right, the Green Party is farther left. By "sort of viable" I mean they always have access to the ballot. The infrastructure doesn't have to be built from scratch.

    Bloomberg could easily use one of those parties to run for Governor. I imagine that many of those alienated from the Republican party during the Pataki years would find him attractive.
  • Silhouette
    "the teeney-weenie complication of independent voters"

    ********

    I know one way to up that count. Nominate a qualified person to run in November for president. One name comes to mind that might round up more than just a "teenie weenie" amount...

    Can you guess who that might be? lol...

    If the democratic party keeps insisting on allowing GOP moles to run its agenda and promote candidates who have known scandals to disqualify them in the final lap..or chronic ineptness...or...you name it..to ensure a lose almost every time..then I say it's time to jump ship.

    After the forcible shove they gave Hillary Clinton, in spite of her capturing the majority of popular votes AND showing a clear acceleration with popularity among dems at the end, this was the year I opted to give no money to the democratic party. They keep calling and I keep saying "Nope. Not until you nominate someone who can unite and win."

    Ritter in Colorado was the straw. To learn he is pro-life, catholic and essentially a GOP conservative WHO WILL PREVAIL over the Denver convention..that was it for me. I know a stinky fish when I smell one.

    Sure, independant party. Sign me up. It'll be a few years before the GOP gets its moles in there, or maybe less. But at least for this November it sounds like a plausible idea. I can assure that droves will consider the idea of switching to this new party and not just a minimal amount.
  • runasim
    Bloomberg lost me the minute he said 'vote as a bloc'.
    That's how party loyalists vote now, and that's what indepedent thinking voters are reacting against. Not voting in blocs is their raison d'etre in the political arena.

    Voting is more than voting for a person.;it's voting for policies. I can't envision a platform of policies that would satisfy all indedendednts We'd need a leftish, a rightish and a centrist - at least three- independent voting blocs, then. Unless one of them can actually win in a national election on its own, that party would have no more power than one of the caususes in the Democratic party.

    Conversely, if there were one independent bloc, they would swing the election in favor of one or the other of existing parties - and that party's platform, in its entirety.

    The dissatisfaction with the current system could lead to a multi-party system, but judging by how that works in other countries, that's not an encouraging prospect, either,

    I think the better plan is to promote particular independents, whether Right, Left, or Center, at the local and Congressional level and build the power of independents, from the bottom up.
    Organizing to promote and popularize policies seems like a better way to spend time, energy and money - the candidate who embraces the policy will reap the benefit,
  • PaulSilver
    It seems to me that what most independents have in common is a skepticism and distrust of the parties and the special interests to which they are beholden. I believe that these voters represent the largest concentration of folks in favor of political reform such as publicly financed elections, non partisan redistricting, and other steps to enfranchise as many voters as possible at the expense of narrow special interests. This could be the binding theme of an independent movement. To support those candidates who champion reform.
  • runasim
    Paul,

    Definitely, yes.

    Watching this election has made me think that the work to organize and channel interest in reform has to be done before and after election fever takes over.
  • superdestroyer
    Paul,

    All public financing and redistricting schemes will do will lock in the current advatnage of the Democratic netroots. All your proposals to is make the U.S. a one party state faster.

    another thing is that open borders and unlimited immigration dilutes the power of independents (read upper middle class whites). Importing million of people who will be automatic Democratic voters will eventaully overwhelm any effect that upper middle class whites can have as independent voters.
  • quemero
    I totally agree with you. I, for one, am all over the spectrum with my views. I still don't know what I'm going to do in November. You have Obama, who represents the usual democratic interests with his higher taxes for top 1% to pay for his programs and more cooperative foreign policy. Then you have McCain, who represents the republican interests, which include the social conservative agenda against abortion and gay marriage and the usual theoretical fiscal agenda of lower taxes for all and the hawkish foreign policy. I am a mix of both because of I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, just like Bloomberg. I wish he was running for president. I understand what he means. When he says we independents need to mobilize, this is a smoke screen. He really wants us to wield our power to force the extreme political parties to work together and become more moderate. This would force the two sides to work together more and solve the problems in less time. For the past twenty years the two parties have become more extreme and concerned more with becoming elected than solving actual problems plaguing this nation. It is time for them to step up and answer the call of the people. In the 21st century our politics needs transform into something more cohesive and pragmatic. The bickering and blame game on the Hill needs to STOP! We are sick and tired of it! I don't know if these candidates have it in them to force Washington to change, since Bush promised it in 2000 and he made it worse.
  • tzager
    As a fiscal moderate and social liberal, politically independent figure, Mike Bloomberg should endorse soon; becoming Barack Obama's running mate!
    Then the interests of independent citizens as a whole will be truly served.
    But an Obama-Bloomberg ticket is not only in the interests of this increasingly crucial demographic group; it's a life-time opportunity for our national interests to be preserved which cannot be lost.
    Also it'd be fair to argue that at this moment an apparent strong center-left coalition could easily lead to an electoral triumph. That, perfectly fits with the political timing of both Bloomberg and Obama.
    Bloomberg's time to his high post in the Big Apple is limited. He wisely decided not to run as an independent for President, a move which would otherwise have brought his political future at a great risk. To run for Pataki's post doesn't really add much to his political weight and would also distant his prospects of playing a central role in the national political scene. To be a strong and decisive vice-president would uniquely serve Bloomberg's desire to morph political independence into an organized, powerful, solid voting bloc in national elections.
  • woodsba
    I agree with Paul Silver concerning organizing Indies under the spectrum of reform. That is the common bond among the diverse group called Independents. There are currently a few state organizations that have made reform within their state priority and some are doing so quite effectively.

    One of the problems with Bloomberg is his close ties with the Newman/Fulani group whose motives are, at best, questionable and whose history would leave Bloomberg with the need to answer some very serious questions of credibility and integrity.
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