Comments on: The Iraq Hangover http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:38:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: runasim http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-134955 runasim Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:01:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-134955 "rehash of the post Vietnam talking points" <br>is inevitable, even long after we're substantially out of Iraq. It will continue through every foreign policy decision .for the foreseeable future.<br>We're still refighitng WWII, after all. “rehash of the post Vietnam talking points”
is inevitable, even long after we're substantially out of Iraq. It will continue through every foreign policy decision .for the foreseeable future.
We're still refighitng WWII, after all.

]]> By: Rambie http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-134953 Rambie Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:43:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-134953 Bush will leave it to the next President to stop the Iraq war. If it's Obama that gives the Republican strategists a talking point that, "It was the cowardly democrats who pulled us out of Iraq" and "We could have won if we'd only stayed" ie: rehash of the post Vietnam talking points. Bush will leave it to the next President to stop the Iraq war. If it's Obama that gives the Republican strategists a talking point that, “It was the cowardly democrats who pulled us out of Iraq” and “We could have won if we'd only stayed” ie: rehash of the post Vietnam talking points.

]]> By: runasim http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-134952 runasim Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:42:04 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-134952 While Bush, McCain. and Obama may be converging on the 'reality' of needing to leave, they are not getting there on the same path.<br>Obama has gone out on a political limb by saying that decisions should be made by the civilian CIC, and the military can only advise and assist. The implication is that he would adjust his plan accordingly, but not abandon it. <br><br>Both Bush and McCain have (at least in public) relied on military opinion (the tired boots on the ground) as the final arbiter. This gives them political cover and the appearance of authority, with the air of inevitability, to do whatever they want at any moment.<br><br>The difference may seem petty now, but I worry about what would happen if conditions in Iraq were to change for the worse to some degree., at which point this difference could become crucial. When reality shifts, even slightly, the HOW of decision making becomes vitally important; <br><br>That's why I'm not sure what to make of McCain's statement. Today's convergence around the need to withdraw sits atop a very wide divergence about how the length of our stay should be determined. . While Bush, McCain. and Obama may be converging on the 'reality' of needing to leave, they are not getting there on the same path.
Obama has gone out on a political limb by saying that decisions should be made by the civilian CIC, and the military can only advise and assist. The implication is that he would adjust his plan accordingly, but not abandon it.

Both Bush and McCain have (at least in public) relied on military opinion (the tired boots on the ground) as the final arbiter. This gives them political cover and the appearance of authority, with the air of inevitability, to do whatever they want at any moment.

The difference may seem petty now, but I worry about what would happen if conditions in Iraq were to change for the worse to some degree., at which point this difference could become crucial. When reality shifts, even slightly, the HOW of decision making becomes vitally important;

That's why I'm not sure what to make of McCain's statement. Today's convergence around the need to withdraw sits atop a very wide divergence about how the length of our stay should be determined. .

]]> By: Iraq » Iraqi News http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-113465 Iraq » Iraqi News Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:20:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-113465 [...] The Iraq HangoverThe month of July, 2008, is quickly becoming the time when our national hangover regarding the Iraq war will set in. From the beginning I opposed this war, acting on my beliefs in every way imaginable. I marched with peace advocates in … [...] [...] The Iraq HangoverThe month of July, 2008, is quickly becoming the time when our national hangover regarding the Iraq war will set in. From the beginning I opposed this war, acting on my beliefs in every way imaginable. I marched with peace advocates in … [...]

]]> By: GeorgeSorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-134949 GeorgeSorwell Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:35:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-134949 Because George W Bush wanted to fight wars without raising taxes, we have a huge budget deficit as a result of the Iraq war. <br><br>Surely, the effects of servicing that debt will be with us for a long, long time. Because George W Bush wanted to fight wars without raising taxes, we have a huge budget deficit as a result of the Iraq war.

Surely, the effects of servicing that debt will be with us for a long, long time.

]]> By: undertoad http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-134947 undertoad Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:09:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-134947 <i>...leaving Iraq much as it once was</i><br><br>When you say "as it once was", do you mean before Saddam's military escapades, in the 70s, when the per capita income was around $8,000? Or after, when the per capita income was around $2,000? …leaving Iraq much as it once was

When you say “as it once was”, do you mean before Saddam's military escapades, in the 70s, when the per capita income was around $8,000? Or after, when the per capita income was around $2,000?

]]> By: Neocon http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-134946 Neocon Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-134946 PS I still don't know what to make of McCain's saying that Obama's timetable is pretty good. .<br><br>Thats because McCain has had on his website that he believe that a vast majority of the troops would be out of Iraq by the end of his first term. He has not proposed 100 years other than a failed attempt at humor.<br><br>However Jazz, I do not feel that Afghanistan is as you put it...........There will be messy loose ends to tie up in Afghanistan, but what then? <br><br>I wish it were so. However the drum beat of war is beating too loudly by the left and the Obamalamadingdongs.........They want their war. They want their day of reckoning. They want to prove to all those nay sayers that they can fight a war too.<br><br>I somehow dont think that Afghanistan is quite as over as we all think and there is still Pakistan and Iran and there is still Obama's call for the world to fight terrorism PS I still don't know what to make of McCain's saying that Obama's timetable is pretty good. .

Thats because McCain has had on his website that he believe that a vast majority of the troops would be out of Iraq by the end of his first term. He has not proposed 100 years other than a failed attempt at humor.

However Jazz, I do not feel that Afghanistan is as you put it………..There will be messy loose ends to tie up in Afghanistan, but what then?

I wish it were so. However the drum beat of war is beating too loudly by the left and the Obamalamadingdongs………They want their war. They want their day of reckoning. They want to prove to all those nay sayers that they can fight a war too.

I somehow dont think that Afghanistan is quite as over as we all think and there is still Pakistan and Iran and there is still Obama's call for the world to fight terrorism

]]> By: GeorgeSorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-113969 GeorgeSorwell Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:35:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-113969 Because George W Bush wanted to fight wars without raising taxes, we have a huge budget deficit as a result of the Iraq war. <br><br>Surely, the effects of servicing that debt will be with us for a long, long time. Because George W Bush wanted to fight wars without raising taxes, we have a huge budget deficit as a result of the Iraq war.

Surely, the effects of servicing that debt will be with us for a long, long time.

]]> By: Dymero http://themoderatevoice.com/21339/the-iraq-hangover/comment-page-1/#comment-113966 Dymero Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:32:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/withdrawal/21339/the-iraq-hangover/#comment-113966 Wow, go for a colonoscopy for an hour yesterday, and find yourself completely out of the loop, apparently.<br><br>Not entirely unexpected in many corners, but wow. To see it said is something else. Wow, go for a colonoscopy for an hour yesterday, and find yourself completely out of the loop, apparently.

Not entirely unexpected in many corners, but wow. To see it said is something else.

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