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	<title>Comments on: Obama Not Closing Sale With Some Key Voters Or Clinton Supporters</title>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know when I first saw the bisexual scandal stuff on Obama I scoffed at it too.  For weeks I refused to even discuss it at another website I post at.  Then curiosity got the better of me I suppose and I watched the youtube stuff and read the account in The Free Press of the suspected murder of Obama&#039;s alleged male lovers, the choir director of Obama&#039;s church was one.  It happened just after the guy made noise about exposing Obama&#039;s bisexuality...according to accounts.  Christmas 2007.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not just one guy saying he had relations with Obama.  It&#039;s like three or four of them and I think three of the four or two of the four (I can&#039;t remember which) were murdered or died suspiciously just after or just before they insinuated they were going to spill the beans on Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Runs in my mind two of the dead men are from Obama&#039;s church.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now if this was one guy, one incident, it would be hard to believe.  But it isn&#039;t, there are multiple reports and they all spell that Obama is bisexual.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, it isn&#039;t an issue for me...suspicious deaths are.  But  if the GOP has this stuff in any compelling form at all..even insinuation of it...Obama is screwed.  Any middle voters he may have now will drop him like a red hot potato.  You may not take the video and polygraph stuff seriously but millions may....especially if it&#039;s pitched at just the right time in just the right way..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know when I first saw the bisexual scandal stuff on Obama I scoffed at it too.  For weeks I refused to even discuss it at another website I post at.  Then curiosity got the better of me I suppose and I watched the youtube stuff and read the account in The Free Press of the suspected murder of Obama&#39;s alleged male lovers, the choir director of Obama&#39;s church was one.  It happened just after the guy made noise about exposing Obama&#39;s bisexuality&#8230;according to accounts.  Christmas 2007.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not just one guy saying he had relations with Obama.  It&#39;s like three or four of them and I think three of the four or two of the four (I can&#39;t remember which) were murdered or died suspiciously just after or just before they insinuated they were going to spill the beans on Obama.</p>
<p>Runs in my mind two of the dead men are from Obama&#39;s church.</p>
<p>Now if this was one guy, one incident, it would be hard to believe.  But it isn&#39;t, there are multiple reports and they all spell that Obama is bisexual.</p>
<p>Again, it isn&#39;t an issue for me&#8230;suspicious deaths are.  But  if the GOP has this stuff in any compelling form at all..even insinuation of it&#8230;Obama is screwed.  Any middle voters he may have now will drop him like a red hot potato.  You may not take the video and polygraph stuff seriously but millions may&#8230;.especially if it&#39;s pitched at just the right time in just the right way..</p>
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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rifrif - Rowe vs Wade is NOT settled Law. A republican like McCain will face enormous pressure on this issue. McCain&#039;s Supreme Court nominees will not be as far right as Scalia but I&#039;m sure they will be vetted sufficently that regardless of what they tell Congress during the nominations they will have assured the &quot;base&quot; that they will outlaw R v W. Furthermore, Executive Orders under the Unitary Executive theory that Bush installed will mean all sorts of new impediments to abortion can be implemented thru the FDA etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think McCain is MUCH more of an unknown than Obama. McCain is still a Republcan and if you liked the last 8 years you really will get more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rifrif &#8211; Rowe vs Wade is NOT settled Law. A republican like McCain will face enormous pressure on this issue. McCain&#39;s Supreme Court nominees will not be as far right as Scalia but I&#39;m sure they will be vetted sufficently that regardless of what they tell Congress during the nominations they will have assured the &#8220;base&#8221; that they will outlaw R v W. Furthermore, Executive Orders under the Unitary Executive theory that Bush installed will mean all sorts of new impediments to abortion can be implemented thru the FDA etc. </p>
<p>I think McCain is MUCH more of an unknown than Obama. McCain is still a Republcan and if you liked the last 8 years you really will get more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silhouette - I would take your position much more seriously if you did not espouse those ridiculous rumors about Larry Sinclair, the Birth Certificate, the whitey tape etc. I have read No Quarter, Texas Darlin and the other sites and what I see is pure emotional hatred - not dislike, not unqualified but scurrilous commentary that is unworthy of the bandwidth it takes up. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I truely do not understand the venom I see on those sites. McCain called his wife a C... yet none of you are bothered by that. He has a violent temper and I&#039;m sure many a woman has had her share of bad experiences with men with tempers. I would agree with some who believe a Democratic Congress would impede some of McCain&#039;s worst instincts BUT for one, CINC. McCain will blow up the Mideast in another war and nothing Congress can do can stop that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silhouette &#8211; I would take your position much more seriously if you did not espouse those ridiculous rumors about Larry Sinclair, the Birth Certificate, the whitey tape etc. I have read No Quarter, Texas Darlin and the other sites and what I see is pure emotional hatred &#8211; not dislike, not unqualified but scurrilous commentary that is unworthy of the bandwidth it takes up. </p>
<p>I truely do not understand the venom I see on those sites. McCain called his wife a C&#8230; yet none of you are bothered by that. He has a violent temper and I&#39;m sure many a woman has had her share of bad experiences with men with tempers. I would agree with some who believe a Democratic Congress would impede some of McCain&#39;s worst instincts BUT for one, CINC. McCain will blow up the Mideast in another war and nothing Congress can do can stop that.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;rifrif,&lt;br&gt;&quot;I do not agree with Senator McCain on many issues,&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would any of those issues be ones that actually matter to you?  &lt;br&gt;like women&#039;s issues?&lt;br&gt;like SCOTUS appointments?   &lt;br&gt;likte &#039;bomb bomb Iran&#039; &#039; as a foreign policy&gt;&lt;br&gt;like an unfair tax system?&lt;br&gt;like  protecting discriminatory wages for  women?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If they are just minor details to you, I understnd.&lt;br&gt;But, why did you ever support Hillary then, since some of those are her signature issues?&lt;br&gt;Is this an exchange  of the mommy figure for the daddy figure ( ref. &#039;strongset candidate&#039;)?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i ca n&#039;t find the logic, no matter how I try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#39;rifrif,<br />&#8220;I do not agree with Senator McCain on many issues,&#8221;</p>
<p>Would any of those issues be ones that actually matter to you?  <br />like women&#39;s issues?<br />like SCOTUS appointments?   <br />likte &#39;bomb bomb Iran&#39; &#39; as a foreign policy&gt;<br />like an unfair tax system?<br />like  protecting discriminatory wages for  women?</p>
<p>If they are just minor details to you, I understnd.<br />But, why did you ever support Hillary then, since some of those are her signature issues?<br />Is this an exchange  of the mommy figure for the daddy figure ( ref. &#39;strongset candidate&#39;)?</p>
<p>i ca n&#39;t find the logic, no matter how I try.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Funny how the day he got the nomination he rushed to the center isnt it?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He&#039;s going after the swing voters, obviously.  His record,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/&quot;&gt;http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;or even a more flattering view like this (which puts Bush much farther right than where he belongs in real life),&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://voteview.ucsd.edu/Clinton_and_Obama.htm&quot;&gt;http://voteview.ucsd.edu/Clinton_and_Obama.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;shows that he&#039;s a reliable Democrat for liberals, while his current outreach is transparent.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charlotte.com/559/story/710744.html&quot;&gt;http://www.charlotte.com/559/story/710744.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-lat_obamajun28%2C0%2C1299140.story&quot;&gt;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-lat_obam...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Funny how the day he got the nomination he rushed to the center isnt it?&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#39;s going after the swing voters, obviously.  His record,</p>
<p><a href="http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/">http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/</a></p>
<p>or even a more flattering view like this (which puts Bush much farther right than where he belongs in real life),</p>
<p><a href="http://voteview.ucsd.edu/Clinton_and_Obama.htm">http://voteview.ucsd.edu/Clinton_and_Obama.htm</a></p>
<p>shows that he&#39;s a reliable Democrat for liberals, while his current outreach is transparent.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charlotte.com/559/story/710744.html">http://www.charlotte.com/559/story/710744.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-lat_obamajun28%2C0%2C1299140.story">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-lat_obam&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: rifrif</title>
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		<dc:creator>rifrif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a Clinton supporter and when she was forced out of the race by her own party I decided to become a McCain supporter . My decision was based on selecting the best candidate. As more time has passed, I am confident that I made the right choice. Mccain  is now the best candidate.  We are not selecting a preacher to give us sermons, we are electing a president of the free world.   I do not agree with Senator McCain on many issues, but i AM A BELIEVER IN CHECKS AND BALLANCES....with a democratic congress, I am confident that democracy will work.  Roe v Wade is settled law......70% of the population  support a women&#039;s right to choose.....congress will block supreme court justices not in line with roe v wade. McCain crosses party lines to get things done.  McCain Feingold, kennedy McCain.....are such examples. We know McCain.....we do not know Obama and he reminds me of the Emperor who wears no clothes. Narcissism is not an American quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a Clinton supporter and when she was forced out of the race by her own party I decided to become a McCain supporter . My decision was based on selecting the best candidate. As more time has passed, I am confident that I made the right choice. Mccain  is now the best candidate.  We are not selecting a preacher to give us sermons, we are electing a president of the free world.   I do not agree with Senator McCain on many issues, but i AM A BELIEVER IN CHECKS AND BALLANCES&#8230;.with a democratic congress, I am confident that democracy will work.  Roe v Wade is settled law&#8230;&#8230;70% of the population  support a women&#39;s right to choose&#8230;..congress will block supreme court justices not in line with roe v wade. McCain crosses party lines to get things done.  McCain Feingold, kennedy McCain&#8230;..are such examples. We know McCain&#8230;..we do not know Obama and he reminds me of the Emperor who wears no clothes. Narcissism is not an American quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep repeating the myth that Obama is a &quot;liberal Democrat;&quot; maybe someday it&#039;ll be true. But right now Obama&#039;s campaign positions have been centrist to a fault.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that the Democratic Party and progressives generally have gotten confused in getting trapped in this debate about are you liberal or are you centrist? I&#039;m not interested in being a centrist or rushing to the middle, in the sense of just splitting the difference with a radically ideological Bush administration. And that’s how I think we got into trouble in many instances, was we just kept on splitting the difference until you find out you don&#039;t stand for anything, you just keep on compromising.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BARACK OBAMA, Tavis Smiley Show, Oct. 23, 2006&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Funny how the day he got the nomination he rushed to the center isnt it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep repeating the myth that Obama is a &#8220;liberal Democrat;&#8221; maybe someday it&#39;ll be true. But right now Obama&#39;s campaign positions have been centrist to a fault.</p>
<p>I think that the Democratic Party and progressives generally have gotten confused in getting trapped in this debate about are you liberal or are you centrist? I&#39;m not interested in being a centrist or rushing to the middle, in the sense of just splitting the difference with a radically ideological Bush administration. And that’s how I think we got into trouble in many instances, was we just kept on splitting the difference until you find out you don&#39;t stand for anything, you just keep on compromising.</p>
<p>BARACK OBAMA, Tavis Smiley Show, Oct. 23, 2006</p>
<p>Funny how the day he got the nomination he rushed to the center isnt it?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS,&lt;br&gt;I see lots of empty rhetoric and not any examples from you. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama is not for impeachment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama is for escalating the war in Afghanistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama pays tribute to AIPAC.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama doesn&#039;t propose true universal healthcare.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama wants to give money to church organizations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama doesn&#039;t seem particularly interested in limiting the surveillance power of the government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS,<br />I see lots of empty rhetoric and not any examples from you. </p>
<p>Obama is not for impeachment.</p>
<p>Obama is for escalating the war in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Obama pays tribute to AIPAC.</p>
<p>Obama doesn&#39;t propose true universal healthcare.</p>
<p>Obama wants to give money to church organizations.</p>
<p>Obama doesn&#39;t seem particularly interested in limiting the surveillance power of the government.</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Keep repeating the myth that Obama is a &#039;liberal Democrat&#039;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or that the earth is round, not flat?  I&#039;ll do that as I feel moved to do it.  Of course, Obama himself has described himself that way but you wouldn&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t believe Obama himself, either, should you?  Or reviews of his voting records?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He&#039;s trying to appeal to centrists or moderates (more likely, to swing voters) because he&#039;s not stupid enough to neglect them; his campaign, fluffy sound bites and all, slick packaging and all, is for real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Keep repeating the myth that Obama is a &#39;liberal Democrat&#39;&#8221;</p>
<p>Or that the earth is round, not flat?  I&#39;ll do that as I feel moved to do it.  Of course, Obama himself has described himself that way but you wouldn&#39;t and shouldn&#39;t believe Obama himself, either, should you?  Or reviews of his voting records?</p>
<p>He&#39;s trying to appeal to centrists or moderates (more likely, to swing voters) because he&#39;s not stupid enough to neglect them; his campaign, fluffy sound bites and all, slick packaging and all, is for real.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Plenty of average people aren&#039;t going to necessarily robotically accept a liberal Democrat like Obama&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Keep repeating the myth that Obama is a &quot;liberal Democrat;&quot; maybe someday it&#039;ll be true. But right now Obama&#039;s campaign positions have been centrist to a fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Plenty of average people aren&#39;t going to necessarily robotically accept a liberal Democrat like Obama</p></blockquote>
<p>Keep repeating the myth that Obama is a &#8220;liberal Democrat;&#8221; maybe someday it&#39;ll be true. But right now Obama&#39;s campaign positions have been centrist to a fault.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&#039;This is a lie as well as slander.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One gross over-simplification deserves another.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You were deliberately incorrect and hateful for no valid reason whatsoever.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plenty of average people aren&#039;t going to necessarily robotically accept a liberal Democrat like Obama, and it doesn&#039;t have anything to do with his race, sex, sexual orientation, or any other excuse angry lefties can invent for not voting the &quot;right&quot; way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s why McCain may yet gain more swing voters as his &quot;default candidate, the other choice&quot; campaign continues to plod unremarkably along.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* * *&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Maybe because Obama&#039;s stated policy positions make more sense than McCain&#039;s?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not to everyone, obviously, especially those of us who have learned things as we have lived.  The issue with McCain is if he really offers a good (positive) alternative at all and can appeal to more people than he would repel by being dull or Dem Lite.  In addition to Obama&#039;s appeal to the naive and idealistic and quite often the unrealistic, there are possible wrong-headed plans of his and what happens if he is aided by great Dem gains in Congress and they view this is a signal to lunge far to the left, which would obviously make most Americans recoil?  Might not some who think ahead already be &quot;at risk&quot; of recoiling now?  Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#39;This is a lie as well as slander.&#39;</p>
<p>One gross over-simplification deserves another.&#8221;</p>
<p>You were deliberately incorrect and hateful for no valid reason whatsoever.</p>
<p>Plenty of average people aren&#39;t going to necessarily robotically accept a liberal Democrat like Obama, and it doesn&#39;t have anything to do with his race, sex, sexual orientation, or any other excuse angry lefties can invent for not voting the &#8220;right&#8221; way.</p>
<p>That&#39;s why McCain may yet gain more swing voters as his &#8220;default candidate, the other choice&#8221; campaign continues to plod unremarkably along.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe because Obama&#39;s stated policy positions make more sense than McCain&#39;s?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to everyone, obviously, especially those of us who have learned things as we have lived.  The issue with McCain is if he really offers a good (positive) alternative at all and can appeal to more people than he would repel by being dull or Dem Lite.  In addition to Obama&#39;s appeal to the naive and idealistic and quite often the unrealistic, there are possible wrong-headed plans of his and what happens if he is aided by great Dem gains in Congress and they view this is a signal to lunge far to the left, which would obviously make most Americans recoil?  Might not some who think ahead already be &#8220;at risk&#8221; of recoiling now?  Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a lie as well as slander.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;One gross over-simplification deserves another.</description>
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<p>One gross over-simplification deserves another.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama is a liberal Democrat who offers people sound bites. Why would all Americans necessarily trust him? &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe because Obama&#039;s stated policy positions make more sense than McCain&#039;s? I know it&#039;s fun to sit around and nitpick speaking styles and what the candidates ate for breakfast, but there are real policy differences between them.</description>
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<p>Maybe because Obama&#39;s stated policy positions make more sense than McCain&#39;s? I know it&#39;s fun to sit around and nitpick speaking styles and what the candidates ate for breakfast, but there are real policy differences between them.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Quiet Average Citizen = Racist White Folk&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a lie as well as slander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quiet Average Citizen = Racist White Folk&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a lie as well as slander.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;anyone who does not support Barak Obama are lower then pond scum&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s because they are heretics or apostates.  Next comes an Inquisition that makes Guantanano and Abu Ghraib pale morally.  [grin]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;anyone who does not support Barak Obama are lower then pond scum&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s because they are heretics or apostates.  Next comes an Inquisition that makes Guantanano and Abu Ghraib pale morally.  [grin]</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a liberal Democrat who offers people sound bites.  Why would all Americans necessarily trust him?  Or instinctively, mindlessly, robotically, vote for him or be expected to vote for him just because he&#039;s younger, more attractive, and talks more fluidly than McCain?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I believe Obama&#039;s big, long-term problem is Great Expectations.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not with the debates, though, M.  I suspect that just as he has &quot;let down&quot; [sniffle] the progressives so far on one or two policy issues, and his speech in Germany was not The Sermon some were expecting, he may or may not ace the debates (I&#039;m certain he&#039;ll win).  I suspect given the experience of Gore losing the debates and then the general election in 2000, the Democrats may have learned a lesson and no matter how laughably some of the Obama voters worship Obama, they may be patient and &quot;follow through&quot; all the way through November.  No, to me the Great Expectations, particularly among those cult worshippers, are going to be for what Obama and the Dems &quot;should&quot; do beginning next January.  (Being far too ambitious, arrogant, and conceited is exactly the wrong them for them to do; this nation is not far left!  They shouldn&#039;t misread anti-GOP sentiment for a desire to be regressive when it comes to liberal politics and policies.)  The Great Expectations are for Obama and the Dems to perform miracles from the start of the new Obama administration.  Where is the elimination of &quot;greenhouse gases&quot; while guaranteeing everyone but the Evil Rich a 200% increase in net after-tax income, with stem-cell organ regeneration by next March or April, etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a liberal Democrat who offers people sound bites.  Why would all Americans necessarily trust him?  Or instinctively, mindlessly, robotically, vote for him or be expected to vote for him just because he&#39;s younger, more attractive, and talks more fluidly than McCain?</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe Obama&#39;s big, long-term problem is Great Expectations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not with the debates, though, M.  I suspect that just as he has &#8220;let down&#8221; [sniffle] the progressives so far on one or two policy issues, and his speech in Germany was not The Sermon some were expecting, he may or may not ace the debates (I&#39;m certain he&#39;ll win).  I suspect given the experience of Gore losing the debates and then the general election in 2000, the Democrats may have learned a lesson and no matter how laughably some of the Obama voters worship Obama, they may be patient and &#8220;follow through&#8221; all the way through November.  No, to me the Great Expectations, particularly among those cult worshippers, are going to be for what Obama and the Dems &#8220;should&#8221; do beginning next January.  (Being far too ambitious, arrogant, and conceited is exactly the wrong them for them to do; this nation is not far left!  They shouldn&#39;t misread anti-GOP sentiment for a desire to be regressive when it comes to liberal politics and policies.)  The Great Expectations are for Obama and the Dems to perform miracles from the start of the new Obama administration.  Where is the elimination of &#8220;greenhouse gases&#8221; while guaranteeing everyone but the Evil Rich a 200% increase in net after-tax income, with stem-cell organ regeneration by next March or April, etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon said:  &quot;Barak Obama continues to reject and neglect the most important thing on peoples minds. . .The economy.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;True, but Elrod is probably right.  Next week Obama will pivot to focus on economic issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe Obama&#039;s big, long-term problem is Great Expectations.  Come the debates, if Obama doesn&#039;t absolutely blow McCain out of the room ... tossing thunderbolts in his wake, with his halo shining ... he will be seen to falter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Obama team needs to tone things down.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I recall the lyrics to Bob Dylan&#039;s &quot;Joker Man&quot;:&lt;br&gt;&quot;You&#039;re a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds,&lt;br&gt;Manipulator of crowds, you&#039;re a dream twister.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama needs to get out of the clouds, and down to earth.  The wall-to-wall media coverage may, ironically, not be helping him here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon said:  &#8220;Barak Obama continues to reject and neglect the most important thing on peoples minds. . .The economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but Elrod is probably right.  Next week Obama will pivot to focus on economic issues.</p>
<p>I believe Obama&#39;s big, long-term problem is Great Expectations.  Come the debates, if Obama doesn&#39;t absolutely blow McCain out of the room &#8230; tossing thunderbolts in his wake, with his halo shining &#8230; he will be seen to falter.</p>
<p>The Obama team needs to tone things down.  </p>
<p>I recall the lyrics to Bob Dylan&#39;s &#8220;Joker Man&#8221;:<br />&#8220;You&#39;re a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds,<br />Manipulator of crowds, you&#39;re a dream twister.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama needs to get out of the clouds, and down to earth.  The wall-to-wall media coverage may, ironically, not be helping him here.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do  find  a  lot   of   logic   in   Sils analysis of Why some Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just like there are many Conservatives who do not like McCain and might not vote for him.  The interesting thing is that you do not find those who are avid McCain supporters calling the conservatives &quot;Idiots, morons and traitors&quot; like the left/Obama crowd is doing with their Clinton supporters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nor is there a movement to call those moderate GOP&#039;ers who are indicating they are going to vote for Obama being ostracized by the GOP and the Republican party as pariahs.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile back at the ranch......anyone who does not support Barak Obama are lower then pond scum.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great tactic to bring into the fold those who have hesitated in embracing Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do  find  a  lot   of   logic   in   Sils analysis of Why some Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama.</p>
<p>Just like there are many Conservatives who do not like McCain and might not vote for him.  The interesting thing is that you do not find those who are avid McCain supporters calling the conservatives &#8220;Idiots, morons and traitors&#8221; like the left/Obama crowd is doing with their Clinton supporters.</p>
<p>Nor is there a movement to call those moderate GOP&#39;ers who are indicating they are going to vote for Obama being ostracized by the GOP and the Republican party as pariahs.   </p>
<p>Meanwhile back at the ranch&#8230;&#8230;anyone who does not support Barak Obama are lower then pond scum.  </p>
<p>Great tactic to bring into the fold those who have hesitated in embracing Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The economy. His Energy policy of walk to work till we can make electric cars affordable is hardly appropriate and neither is his &quot;Punish America campaign&quot; in which once again we see the Liberal far left showing their sad faces with the constant refrain of&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are you for real? You should look up the word &#039;caricature&#039; in the dictionary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mission Impossible...........finding a nugget of truth in Neocon&#039;s last post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The economy. His Energy policy of walk to work till we can make electric cars affordable is hardly appropriate and neither is his &#8220;Punish America campaign&#8221; in which once again we see the Liberal far left showing their sad faces with the constant refrain of</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you for real? You should look up the word &#39;caricature&#39; in the dictionary.</p>
<p>Mission Impossible&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..finding a nugget of truth in Neocon&#39;s last post.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Germans and the French don&#039;t get to vote for President and meanwhile Barak Obama continues to reject and neglect the most important thing on peoples minds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The economy.  His Energy policy of walk to work till we can make electric cars affordable is hardly appropriate and neither is his &quot;Punish America campaign&quot;  in which once again we see the Liberal far left showing their sad faces with the constant refrain of &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;We aint happy till your miserable&quot; dogma.  Even while Barak Obama tries to be hopeful, proud and full of &quot;Oh Yes We Can&quot;  His supporters are stuck in the rut of &quot;OH No You Can&#039;t&quot;  and so we end up with............&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;This tape will self destruct in 10 seconds...............&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mission Impossible...........a left liberal to find something good, positive to say about anything.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Case in point.............&lt;br&gt;Quiet Average Citizen = Racist White Folk&lt;br&gt;You mean stubborn. Just like your matriarch.&lt;br&gt;This is a joke right? I assume you supported BILL FREAKING CLINTON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Germans and the French don&#39;t get to vote for President and meanwhile Barak Obama continues to reject and neglect the most important thing on peoples minds.</p>
<p>The economy.  His Energy policy of walk to work till we can make electric cars affordable is hardly appropriate and neither is his &#8220;Punish America campaign&#8221;  in which once again we see the Liberal far left showing their sad faces with the constant refrain of </p>
<p>&#8220;We aint happy till your miserable&#8221; dogma.  Even while Barak Obama tries to be hopeful, proud and full of &#8220;Oh Yes We Can&#8221;  His supporters are stuck in the rut of &#8220;OH No You Can&#39;t&#8221;  and so we end up with&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;This tape will self destruct in 10 seconds&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Mission Impossible&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..a left liberal to find something good, positive to say about anything.</p>
<p>Case in point&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />Quiet Average Citizen = Racist White Folk<br />You mean stubborn. Just like your matriarch.<br />This is a joke right? I assume you supported BILL FREAKING CLINTON.</p>
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