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Question for the Candidates: “Is Pursuing Justice, Partisan Bickering?”

In a recent post, “Bush’s Aspirational Words on Timetables, and Torture,” I briefly touched on the Bush administration’s sorry record when it comes to the issue of torture. It would be my hope that, one day, those guilty of trampling our Constitution, our laws, and international Conventions and treaties on any issue, but especially on the issue of human rights, would be made to face Justice.

Sadly not everyone has the same expectations.

In a recent Newsweek article (“The Truth About Torture“), Stuart Taylor Jr. tells us that, “To get a full accounting of how U.S. interrogation methods were used, the president should give those accused of ‘war crimes’ a pass.”

More specifically, and for the sake of getting “a full and true accounting of what took place” Taylor proposes:

President George W. Bush ought to pardon any official from cabinet secretary on down who might plausibly face prosecution for interrogation methods approved by administration lawyers.

With respect to Bush pardoning Vice President Dick Cheney or himself, Taylor finds this “unseemly,“ but takes solace in the hope that “the next president wouldn’t allow them to be prosecuted anyway—galling as that may be to critics.”

Taylor gives various reasons for all of us to forgive and forget any and all criminal acts that may have been committed by administration officials:

“Legal”: “The officials involved appear to have approved only interrogation methods found legal by administration lawyers, and in particular by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). According to long tradition, the OLC is considered a sort of Supreme Court of the executive branch.” And, “officials could raise a nearly airtight defense of good-faith reliance on advice of counsel—OLC memos on approved methods would be like “get out of jail free” cards.”

Compassionate: “The goals [of Taylor‘s substitute for criminal investigations, a “Truth Commission”] should not include wrecking the lives of men and women who made grievous mistakes while doing dirty work.”

There are even shades of the Nuremberg Defense: “dirty work…they had been advised by administration lawyers was legal.”

And, of course, the national security issue: “dirty work…which they believed was necessary to prevent terrorist mass murder.”

But the main thrust of Taylor’s argument for convening a “truth commission,” and for all of us to just get along would be to:

“Explore every possible misdeed and derive lessons from it…to uncover all important facts, identify innocent victims to be compensated, foster a serious conversation about what U.S. interrogation rules should be, recommend legal reforms, pave the way for appropriate apologies and restore America’s good name.”

Excuse me, but who are we going to “compensate” if there were no “war crimes” and thus no victims?

“Foster a serious conversation about what U.S. interrogation rules should be?” I thought we already had such rules—before the Office of Legal Council, and others, rewrote them or ignored them.

And, didn’t we go through similar “pardoning“ experiences along with “serious conversations” after the Watergate and Iran-Contra “scandals,” effectively “destining” us to repeat history—as we clearly are.

“Restore America’s good name?” By pardoning the criminals, by “paving the way for appropriate apologies,” and by singing Kum Ba Yah?

Perhaps Taylor’s most “compelling” argument for giving those accused of war crimes a pass, are his concluding comments that sweeping this national tragedy under the rug will make it possible for our new president, especially if it is Barack Obama, to get “beyond partisan bickering.”

Investigating and prosecuting criminal conduct, “partisan bickering?”

And, has anyone bothered to ask Barack Obama (or John McCain, for that matter) whether he considers pursuing justice to be “partisan bickering?”

  • runasim
    This kind of reasonIng goes beyond moral equivalency or moral relatiVIsm, it's moral nihilism.

    It makes me ashamed that we are even debating something like torture.
    We were so proud of the Nuremberg trials and claimed the justice of personal responsibility as our own. This position says that principles only apply to other countries.

    What are we teaching our children? We're saying that 'right' is what you can get away with, and 'wrong' only happens if you get caught and your lawyer can't legalese you off the hook.
  • neo, I didn't claim there were active cases, though there may be. But there are foreign nationals who were victims. We don't know what actions will be filed in foreign courts regarding these clear human rights abuses inflicted on their citizens. Example:

    Martin Mubanga, a joint British-Zambian citizen, from north London, was a victim of [extraordinary rendition]. He was kidnapped in Zambia in 2002 and was held and tortured in Guantánamo Bay for three years before being released. He faced no charges either there or in the UK.

    There are thousands of innocent people subjected to what are crimes in most modern nations. That is not unfounded, nor are their rights to justice against criminals, even high-ranking American criminals. It's the law. I was not talking about those still in captivity, though any of them could eventually initiate a case, too, if they get out alive and sane.
  • Neocon
    Interrogators and security officials from the following countries have also reportedly
    interrogated their nationals detained in Guantánamo. Although there have been no reports of abuse
    during these interrogations, the presence and cooperation of security officials from these countries with
    the U.S. military in Guantánamo has been under-reported.
    Bahrain
    Canada
    France
    Germany
    Italy
    Morocco
    Pakistan
    Saudi Arabia
    Spain
    Turkey
    United Kingdom
    Yemen
  • Neocon
    Yours is an unfounded rant Green.

    None of these countries want these prisoners and the US can not return them to their country of origin if the country refuses to accept them into their fold.

    You got me thinking. So I went googling. I cant find any case where any of these countries have requested any of these prisioners. The USA cannot force them upon their country of origin.

    So now what?

    Since as early as 2002, the United States has welcomed foreign interrogators from recognized
    human rights abusing regimes onto the U.S. military base at Guantánamo Bay and given them access
    to their citizens – and sometimes to non-citizens – detained there. Behind closed doors, the United
    States has allowed security officials from countries such as Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Libya, Jordan,
    China, and Tunisia to interrogate prisoners at the U.S. prison at Guantánamo. Detainees have been
    subjected to threats and abuse from these foreign interrogators, with the active involvement of U.S.
    forces in Guantánamo. Further, threats of torture, imprisonment, harm to one’s family and even death
    upon return to their home country have solidified detainees’ fears of forced repatriation in some
    instances.

    In other words the facts are simple in this case. The prisoners still held in Guantanamo are citizens of countries in which their return makes them fear for their life. If they are from other countries then these countries have not requested extradition at least to my knowledge as far as my google exercise has revealed.

    Laws state that if a prisioner fears for his life that it is against international law that said prisoner can be repatriated against his will.

    Thus once again we end up with prisioners stuck in guantanamo who are dangers to society, whose home country cant wait to get their mitts on them and who do not want to be repatriated. I do agree with the supreme court decision on this. However the remaining detainees simply want to be turned lose.

    I have said in the past I think there are a few commenters and ops here who would love to have a sleep over at their houses for these detainees.
  • Bush & Co. can only escape justice in American courts by Bush admitting that "war crimes" may have been committed. More importantly, nothing Bush does can protect them from accountability in foreign courts. Some of those held without charges and tortured in Guantánamo, and Iraq and elsewhere were not American citizens, but citizens of the UK, Australia, France, Germany and other countries. We have extradition treaties with those countries. All President Obama has to do is to give his Justice Department the fully supportable direction "act in accordance with US law, and with treaties we have signed." That direction can be published in every American paper, and will be, and it is unassailable. Does the GOP want to say that "obeying the law and honoring international treaties" is "partisan bickering?"

    Who knows, neocon? Let the (French) court decide.
  • Neocon
    Maybe. Just Maybe no one trampled on your rights.

    If that is so then those mayors and officials who ruled you couldnt have a gun should all go to jail for denying rights for the last 30 years.

    Maybe just maybe the democrats would have liked nothing better then to Impeach Bush and Cheney but that their really is NO impeachable crime.

    Maybe just maybe all the calls of torture and whatever had some legal leg to stand on.

    Maybe not. If that is so then why is the democrats going to win big in November. Perhaps they should be penalized for pissing of the left by not doing their jobs and they should all be voted out.

    Just Maybe.
  • JSpencer
    Seems to me that brushing off accountability is advocating a terribly low standard. Pardon me if I suggest it's unAmerican to the core.
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