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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149448</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fear is fear.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Campaign ad: Obama and Usama bin Laden on same screen.  Low-level operative in McCain&#039;s campaign accepts blame and resigns.  McCain decries the ad (as opposed to Obama&#039;s tactic of saying it was a &quot;mistake&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fear is fear.&#8221;</p>
<p>Campaign ad: Obama and Usama bin Laden on same screen.  Low-level operative in McCain&#39;s campaign accepts blame and resigns.  McCain decries the ad (as opposed to Obama&#39;s tactic of saying it was a &#8220;mistake&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149447</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The 50 state strategy, which Howard Dean has been using to great effect, isn&#039;t about winning now. It&#039;s about laying the groundwork for turning those states in the future.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wasn&#039;t Howard Dean against this before, even when he was attacked by the left fringe for discussing the need for outreach?  It&#039;s Obama&#039;s own campaign this year that has reached out to those other states.  And yes, there is a need for the Dems to scrap their up-to-1960s-and-1970s stupidity and failure and become modern.  The US&#039;s population continues to relocate largely south and west, in the places with modern economic vitality and growing power.  (Wise planning through 2100 would mean relocating the federal capital to Oklahoma City, as I&#039;ve writtten before, which is also where the population center of the USA is headed by that time.)  The Dems truly need to be new Dems and go beyond the superficiality (and frequent phoniness) of Clinton and Gore post-1994 with their &quot;New Democrats&quot; and &quot;Third Way&quot; &quot;reinventing government&quot; and truly be sensible and up to date.  There are major metro areas out there displacing the metros that were important when people were children but which matter little now -- that includes big Detroit, where I currently am; the domestic auto industry that is successful is in places like Nashville! -- and the new ones are the ones that matter -- not just Seattle and Portland (Oregon, not Maine; ahem) but Phoenix, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Nashville, and so on.  That is the future of our country, they are large metro areas that support liberal politics, and that&#039;s where the Dems should be basing their new political and enonomic models and learning from these places as opposed to Rust Belt junk bucket government-fiefdom-and-parasitism of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The 50 state strategy, which Howard Dean has been using to great effect, isn&#39;t about winning now. It&#39;s about laying the groundwork for turning those states in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wasn&#39;t Howard Dean against this before, even when he was attacked by the left fringe for discussing the need for outreach?  It&#39;s Obama&#39;s own campaign this year that has reached out to those other states.  And yes, there is a need for the Dems to scrap their up-to-1960s-and-1970s stupidity and failure and become modern.  The US&#39;s population continues to relocate largely south and west, in the places with modern economic vitality and growing power.  (Wise planning through 2100 would mean relocating the federal capital to Oklahoma City, as I&#39;ve writtten before, which is also where the population center of the USA is headed by that time.)  The Dems truly need to be new Dems and go beyond the superficiality (and frequent phoniness) of Clinton and Gore post-1994 with their &#8220;New Democrats&#8221; and &#8220;Third Way&#8221; &#8220;reinventing government&#8221; and truly be sensible and up to date.  There are major metro areas out there displacing the metros that were important when people were children but which matter little now &#8212; that includes big Detroit, where I currently am; the domestic auto industry that is successful is in places like Nashville! &#8212; and the new ones are the ones that matter &#8212; not just Seattle and Portland (Oregon, not Maine; ahem) but Phoenix, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Nashville, and so on.  That is the future of our country, they are large metro areas that support liberal politics, and that&#39;s where the Dems should be basing their new political and enonomic models and learning from these places as opposed to Rust Belt junk bucket government-fiefdom-and-parasitism of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149446</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope the Dems, who will do very well in other elections besides the Presidential election, don&#039;t succumb to likely arrogance and conceit and unreal ambitions, and if they rule the House and the Senate with 60+ seats, don&#039;t try to lunge leftward and make quality Americans revile them as well as recoil.  If this happens, a harsher consequence than the 1994 elections is fully deserved.  Another 1994 may be unlikely, though, because since then the GOP has been acting much like the Democrats, happy with too much power and money and control centered in Washington.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just hope the Dems don&#039;t go dangerously too far leftward.  (Despite dishonest claims to the contrary, there&#039;s nothing like that on the right with Republicans.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope the Dems, who will do very well in other elections besides the Presidential election, don&#39;t succumb to likely arrogance and conceit and unreal ambitions, and if they rule the House and the Senate with 60+ seats, don&#39;t try to lunge leftward and make quality Americans revile them as well as recoil.  If this happens, a harsher consequence than the 1994 elections is fully deserved.  Another 1994 may be unlikely, though, because since then the GOP has been acting much like the Democrats, happy with too much power and money and control centered in Washington.</p>
<p>I just hope the Dems don&#39;t go dangerously too far leftward.  (Despite dishonest claims to the contrary, there&#39;s nothing like that on the right with Republicans.)</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149445</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear is fear.  One mans fear is another mans concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear is fear.  One mans fear is another mans concern.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149444</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old and tired? The billboard thing was in the news yesterday!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/15/billboard-displaying-burning-twin-towers-reads-please-dont-vote-for-a-democrat/&quot;&gt;http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/15/billboard-d...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s on a different playing field than pointing out John McCain&#039;s policy will keep our troops in harms way for decades more. That Bush &amp; Musharraf appeased Al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan&#039;s borders. That the banking collapse is being blamed on a dearth of regulation in the wake of Republican deregulation laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old and tired? The billboard thing was in the news yesterday!</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/15/billboard-displaying-burning-twin-towers-reads-please-dont-vote-for-a-democrat/">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/15/billboard-d&#8230;</a></p>
<p>That&#39;s on a different playing field than pointing out John McCain&#39;s policy will keep our troops in harms way for decades more. That Bush &#038; Musharraf appeased Al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan&#39;s borders. That the banking collapse is being blamed on a dearth of regulation in the wake of Republican deregulation laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wars?  They needed the war to win back congress and the White House.  What are you talking about.  The GOP gave you the government back on a silver platter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chris your talking points are old and tired.  Its already been proven that the left uses fear to get elected just as the right does.  They say McCain will be a continuation of Bush.. 100 years?  Mr. McCain you cannot have my child......blah, blah, blah.  Its not about using fear.  Its about using fear against your opponent.  Were no safer.  Were less safer.  Bin Laden is still out there.  Be afraid.  Were heading for depression.  More years of GOP rule and the country will collapse.  etc. etc..etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wars?  They needed the war to win back congress and the White House.  What are you talking about.  The GOP gave you the government back on a silver platter.</p>
<p>Chris your talking points are old and tired.  Its already been proven that the left uses fear to get elected just as the right does.  They say McCain will be a continuation of Bush.. 100 years?  Mr. McCain you cannot have my child&#8230;&#8230;blah, blah, blah.  Its not about using fear.  Its about using fear against your opponent.  Were no safer.  Were less safer.  Bin Laden is still out there.  Be afraid.  Were heading for depression.  More years of GOP rule and the country will collapse.  etc. etc..etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149442</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon,&lt;br&gt;When the Dems start using wars they start as election year &quot;products,&quot;  then give me a call. When they start using the DoJ to wrongly imprison political opponents, then give me a call. When they start rolling out terror threats to manipulate the news cycles, then give me a call. When they start putting the burning twin towers on campaign billboards, then give me a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon,<br />When the Dems start using wars they start as election year &#8220;products,&#8221;  then give me a call. When they start using the DoJ to wrongly imprison political opponents, then give me a call. When they start rolling out terror threats to manipulate the news cycles, then give me a call. When they start putting the burning twin towers on campaign billboards, then give me a call.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149441</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you notice I said good for them.  However missed in your enthusaism is how Obama abandoned his principals.  Those principals upon which he staked his reputation as being above politics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first thing he did?  Climb aboard the political bandwagon.  As far as winning.  Yep the democrats have learned a lesson.....They despised, hated. berated and abhorred the GOP strategy of winning at all costs and vowed that it was criminally insane how the GOP practiced politics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now today they are jumping up and down and having orgasms over the power of winning at all costs gives them.  There certainly is no shortage of hypocrits in the democratic party that is for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you notice I said good for them.  However missed in your enthusaism is how Obama abandoned his principals.  Those principals upon which he staked his reputation as being above politics.</p>
<p>The first thing he did?  Climb aboard the political bandwagon.  As far as winning.  Yep the democrats have learned a lesson&#8230;..They despised, hated. berated and abhorred the GOP strategy of winning at all costs and vowed that it was criminally insane how the GOP practiced politics.</p>
<p>Now today they are jumping up and down and having orgasms over the power of winning at all costs gives them.  There certainly is no shortage of hypocrits in the democratic party that is for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD,&lt;br&gt;Rejoice, and then setup an even better alternative to the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD,<br />Rejoice, and then setup an even better alternative to the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149439</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chris, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Demographic alone is going to make more places solidly Democratic.  It should be apparent that the Democratic Party is not going to be able to turn off its partisan ways once it becomes the one dominate party. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The question everyone seems to avoid is what will the U.S. be like as a one party state.  What will all of the hyperpartisans in the Democratic do once the Democratic Primary is the only real election is the U.S?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chris, </p>
<p>Demographic alone is going to make more places solidly Democratic.  It should be apparent that the Democratic Party is not going to be able to turn off its partisan ways once it becomes the one dominate party. </p>
<p>The question everyone seems to avoid is what will the U.S. be like as a one party state.  What will all of the hyperpartisans in the Democratic do once the Democratic Primary is the only real election is the U.S?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon,&lt;br&gt;OMG!!! The Democrats are trying to win!!!! It&#039;s simply CRIMINAL!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon,<br />OMG!!! The Democrats are trying to win!!!! It&#39;s simply CRIMINAL!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/21141/how-much-is-too-much/comment-page-1/#comment-149437</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 50 state strategy, which Howard Dean has been using to great effect, isn&#039;t about winning now. It&#039;s about laying the groundwork for turning those states in the future.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And there you go.  Its not about winning.  Its about destroying the GOP.  Good for them.  That is precisely why the DNC forced Obama to forgo Public Campaign financing so they could destroy the gop with a cash cow.  His first act as the nominee........a Candidate who claimed he would stand up to special interests.....his first act was to cave on principal and give into the DNC&#039;s wishes........A special interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 50 state strategy, which Howard Dean has been using to great effect, isn&#39;t about winning now. It&#39;s about laying the groundwork for turning those states in the future.</p>
<p>And there you go.  Its not about winning.  Its about destroying the GOP.  Good for them.  That is precisely why the DNC forced Obama to forgo Public Campaign financing so they could destroy the gop with a cash cow.  His first act as the nominee&#8230;&#8230;..a Candidate who claimed he would stand up to special interests&#8230;..his first act was to cave on principal and give into the DNC&#39;s wishes&#8230;&#8230;..A special interest.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 50 state strategy, which Howard Dean has been using to great effect, isn&#039;t about winning now. It&#039;s about laying the groundwork for turning those states in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 50 state strategy, which Howard Dean has been using to great effect, isn&#39;t about winning now. It&#39;s about laying the groundwork for turning those states in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far that does not seem to be happening since the recent numbers show the two sides about even.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Huh?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama raised 52 million in JUNE alone.  McCain raised 62.5 million in the preceeding 3 months.....he is in effect being out funded 2.5x1.  Thats hardly about even.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if you have other figures that support that conclusion please share them with us as everything I have read, Obama is a cash cow for the DNC which is going to destroy the GOP this fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far that does not seem to be happening since the recent numbers show the two sides about even.</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
<p>Obama raised 52 million in JUNE alone.  McCain raised 62.5 million in the preceeding 3 months&#8230;..he is in effect being out funded 2.5&#215;1.  Thats hardly about even.</p>
<p>And if you have other figures that support that conclusion please share them with us as everything I have read, Obama is a cash cow for the DNC which is going to destroy the GOP this fall.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise a good point about diminishing returns.  The problem comes in when you saturate the airwaves and voters get tired of the commercials. Ads are helpful in places unused to ads, like Montana. But in Ohio they just turn people off.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, there are things you can spend money on like paid GOTV staffers. If you can hire real, committed people to go out and register voters and set up databases and get all of your voters to the polls, you can sway an election by three points.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Think about ti: Obama&#039;s key to victory is driving up turnout among black and young voters. To do that, you need a lot of committed resources to identify voters, register them, track them, and make sure they vote - early if possible. That costs money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise a good point about diminishing returns.  The problem comes in when you saturate the airwaves and voters get tired of the commercials. Ads are helpful in places unused to ads, like Montana. But in Ohio they just turn people off.</p>
<p>That said, there are things you can spend money on like paid GOTV staffers. If you can hire real, committed people to go out and register voters and set up databases and get all of your voters to the polls, you can sway an election by three points.  </p>
<p>Think about ti: Obama&#39;s key to victory is driving up turnout among black and young voters. To do that, you need a lot of committed resources to identify voters, register them, track them, and make sure they vote &#8211; early if possible. That costs money.</p>
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