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Bush Signs Off with Funny Joke at G8; Rove Praises Obama Campaign While Pundits Dispute Ideology; Dems Prepare to Roll Over Again

At the G8, Bush departs with one of his trademark kidding-on-the-square one liners:

President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.

As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world’s biggest polluter."

President Bush made the private joke in the summit’s closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050. (Independent)

Haha!  That is a ‘funny’ ‘joke’!

In other news, Karl Rove praises Obama’s ‘brilliant ground game.’  He modestly refrains from using the word ‘Rovian,’ but that is clearly what he means.  After praising its brilliance, he says:

For a campaign that says it wants to end the politics of the Bush-Cheney years, the Obama for President effort has cribbed an awful lot from the Bush-Cheney playbooks of 2000 and 2004. (WSJ)

In addition to praise for Obama’s strategy, he offers some advice. (Psst! Don’t listen to him, Obama campaign! He’s Rovian.) 

But never mind his strategy. At The Washington Post, Dan Balz is finding Obama’s ideology hard to pinpoint.  He gently notes:

One factor in Obama’s success has been his ability to confound both left and right. But while that may be a measure of a skillful politician determined to win a general election, it has left unanswered important questions about his core principles and his presidential priorities. How well he answers them over the coming months will determine the outcome of his race against Republican Sen. John McCain.

Statements he has made over the past month have ignited a debate about who Obama is ideologically.

I.e., People are now wondering about that core: does he have one at all or is he just an empty shell with a hollow core that can be filled with whatever policies are most likely to win?

But Gail Collins takes up for him at The New York Times.  First of all, she says, people who misunderstood Obama just weren’t listening.  Well, she isn’t wrong there.  Second, of all, he does have an ideology:  his ideology is hating stupidity.

I take it she’s trying to say what John Cole said: that Obama is a centrist-pragmatist, and people might as well stop whining about it. The ‘Mmmm, come on, boys and girls, the Kool-Aid might still be delicious!’ tone of her argument is embarrassing, but I’m not saying that she’s wrong in substance. Here’s a quote so you can judge for yourself:

When an extremely intelligent politician tells you over and over and over that he is tired of the take-no-prisoners politics of the last several decades, that he is going to get things done and build a “new consensus,” he is trying to explain that he is all about compromise. Even if he says it in that great Baracky way.

It’s not his fault that we missed the message — although to be fair, he did make it sound as if getting rid of the “old politics” involved driving out the oil and pharmaceutical lobbyists rather than splitting the difference on federal wiretapping legislation. But if you look at the political fights he’s picked throughout his political career, the main theme is not any ideology. It’s that he hates stupidity. “I don’t oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war,” he said in 2002 in his big speech against the invasion of Iraq. He did not, you will notice, say he was against unilateral military action or pre-emptive attacks or nation-building. He was antidumb. (NYT) (emphasis added)

If I understand her correctly, this is what she’s saying:  When he divided the baby in half like he did with FISA, he’s being antidumb. There’s his core principle! Those complaining weren’t listening!  Ed Kilgore agrees:  progressives were not listening.

So what gives? I honestly don’t know. I tend to agree with Gail Collins’ New York Times column today, which bluntly argues that progressives who accuse Obama of a "move to the center" weren’t paying sufficient attention to, or didn’t take seriously, his long-standing rhetoric about compromise and transpartisan politics.

So, Ms. Collins argues, stop already with the ‘withholding the love’!  In his ‘great Baracky way,’ he was always telling you he stands for compromise!  I doubt that this will cut much ice with progressives if he continues going down the road he’s going. They might have no choice to vote for him, but they’re not necessarily going to stop ‘withholding the love.’

Or maybe — as Dems who don’t like him argue — his ideology is simpler and more cynical:  WIN.  Even if so, he’s still better than McCain in my book.  McCain’s ideology is exactly that:  WIN. But McCain’s answerable to different constituents from Obama when it comes to appointing judges, vetoing legislation, and commanding the armed forces.  The people who will be riding Obama are different from the ones who will be riding McCain.  So whether Obama is a cynic who has been playing us, or just a hands-across-the-aisle pragmatist, it’s still Obama for me by a moonlight mile.

Hey, what do you know:  I’m a pragmatist too!

Speaking of dividing up the baby, Dems — fresh from helping the Republicans gut the 4th amendment — are gearing up to cave on offshore drilling. 

I mean, can you think of anything worse RIGHT NOW than $4 a gallon gas?  Never mind all those frowny-faced bad news bearers who warn that the effects of drilling will be delayed, and that the risk to the environment might far outweigh the risks.  We’re all just going to take those nasty sour old lemons and make lemonade!  (I personally am pinning all my hopes on those crude-oil defecating bugs the Times of London was telling us about).

After all, if you’re really worried about energy policy, just vote for John McCain.  With his super-hot magic plan (’approved’ by 300 economists!) to balance the budget by the simple formula of ‘restrain spending and give more tax breaks while privatizing social security,’ soon we’ll have enough money to buy a new eco-web or even maybe a whole new planet earth!

  • runasim
    I completely agree that people have not been listenineg to Obama and continue not to listen to him, and his fans are as prone to be deaf as his foes.

    Rather than call his ideology compromise, I think it is more accurate to call it inclusive. It's a pragmatist's recognition that singificant numbers of people with different convictions have to be tolerably comfortable with prevailing conditions in order to have a stable society and successful governance.

    That's the exact opposite of Rovian. it's what being different means.

    Reminders for those who didn't listen: different, unity, together, no more red/blue state.
  • AustinRoth
    What makes it funny is that we are not the worst polluter, unless you only count unadjusted 'greenhouse gasses' as pollution. The following is not intended to say 'the US is perfect', or even that 'the US is best'; it is to counter the non-stop Liberal mentality that we are the worst. We. are. not.

    Top 10 Worst Polluted Places in the World:
    1. Chernobyl, Ukraine
    2. Dzerzhinsk, Russia
    3. Haina, Dominican Republic
    4. Kabwe, Zambia
    5. La Oroya, Peru
    6. Linfen, China
    7. Maiuu Suu, Kyrgyzstan
    8. Norilsk, Russia
    9. Ranipet, India
    10. Rudnaya Pristan/Dalnegorsk, Russia

    MOST DANGEROUSLY POLLUTED CITIES
    Particulate
    RANK CITY COUNTRY Matter
    ---- --------- ------------- -----------

    1 Cairo Egypt 169
    2 Delhi India 150
    3 Kolkata India 128
    4 Tianjin China 125
    5 Chongqing China 123
    7 Kampur India 109
    8 Lucknow India 109
    9 Jakarta Indonesia 104
    10 Shenyang China 101
    11 Zhengzhou China 97
    12 Jinan China 94
    13 Lanzhou China 91
    14 Taiyuan China 88
    16 Beijing China 89
    17 Chengdu China 86
    18 Ahmadabad India 83
    19 Anshan China 82
    20 Wuhan China 79

    Environmental Performance Index* 2008
    39 United States 81.0 (out of 149 countries)

    Rank Country Tons of Carbon per person
    1 Qatar 20.05
    2 United Arab Emirates 10.36
    3 Kuwait 8.69
    4 Guam 7.76
    5 Bahrain 7.66
    6 Singapore 7.04
    7 United States 6.04
    8 Luxembourg 5.69
    9 Brunei 5.28
    10 Australia 5.19
  • AustinRoth
    Oh, yeah, my bad. Even if you DO only consider unadjusted 'greenhouse gasses' as pollution, we are number 2, behind China (and soon to be # 3, behind India, too)
  • runasim
    Speaking of being pragmatic, I don't think the FISA bill should be excluded from such sonsiderations.

    The biggest cudgel Republican use aginst Democrats is national securiyy. It's not fair, and it's a big lie, but too large a sector of the public have swallowd this talking point to ignore - especially in the middle of an election. Had Obama voted against the bill, McCain and freinds would have been all over Obama about it from now on. Obama, pragmatically, removed one talking point from McCain's arsenal.

    Hillary's 'no' vote and her explanatory statement are facetious. Were she the candidate, she would have done exactly the same. IMO, she would have done so with fewer reservations, judging from her previous hawkish and pro-executive power voting record. Hillary is a savvy politician who is always pro Hillary, above all else, and this case is no different..

    What troubles me about the executive powers granted in the FISA bill, are not the powers, per se (in an emegency, they might be necessary). What troubles me are executive powers without oversight. I think there needs to be institutional, ongoing oversight, not dependent on irregular congressional hearings.
    That's something that can be rectified, and that's something that advocates should focus on AS SOON AS OBAMA IS SWORN IN. .I'm not even waiting for Nov., I've been contacting the Obama website and all my congressional representatives for about a week now.
    It's private, and if enough people do it, we might well be heard. If not, a hullaballoo can always be raised at a propitious time..

    I think telcom immunity should be handled in the same way. Like the question of impeachment, it shouldn't be about punishemnt but, pragamtically,about prevention- for the sake of the future.

    FISA, like all laws, can be modified, reformed or replaced. Like Obama says, about negotiations with Iran, it should be done at a time of the Dem's pragamtic choosing.
  • runasim
    AR,

    Is your aim to find a reason why the US should do nothing?

    This is not a US problem. it is a global problem. Countries like China argue that since the US has been polluting freely in order to advance its interests, ithey now deserve their chance to do the same.
    The result is one big global headache.

    The US, by thinking globally, could lead by example, In demonstrating how poluution can be successfully combated, we could even make handsome profits by selling the technology to countries like china. We would be a good blobal citizen while benefitting ourselves in the process.

    China, in conrast to some in the US, is quite cognizant of the problems arising from pollution and the dangers of climate change. It is proactively pursuing means to attack these problems. i would rather not see eery other country beat us to the punch in helping China with its acklowledged problems.

    What I find funny are the lengths of denial to which some people will resort.
  • Marlowecan
    Runasim said: "Had Obama voted against the bill, McCain and freinds would have been all over Obama about it from now on. Obama, pragmatically, removed one talking point from McCain's arsenal. Hillary's 'no' vote and her explanatory statement are facetious. Were she the candidate, she would have done exactly the same."

    I absolutely agree.
    I must say, I think the Progressives who are trumpeting HRC's "taking a principled stand" on FISA are crazier than a bag full of ferrets!
    This is HRC we are talking about. Get real.

    I am not a supporter of Sen. Obama . . . but he made a brilliant political move on the FISA vote. He could easily have ducked out, citing campaign commitments.

    But with a single vote, he undermined a decades-old GOP advantage/attack line: Democrats are weak on defence.

    Increasingly I wonder whether the jokes about Progressive Democrats being determined to lose the election are true.
  • DLS
    "But with a single vote, he undermined a decades-old GOP advantage/attack line: Democrats are weak on defence."

    This advantage-attack line failed to convince the voters in 2006, don't forget.
  • DAMOZEL
    I suppose it is a brilliant political bill to vote to allow Bush to escape any accountability...which is the effect of telecom immunity.

    Whatever Obama's motives, he did the wrong thing here. You can be for him without excusing everything he does.

    And Clinton deserves some credit for voting the way she did, regardless of her motives.

    I am baffled by the way people think they must always rationalize every move of a politician they support and damn any move by one they don't. You can support Obama without ascribing to the Church of Barack.

    Political expediency and strategy are not good reasons for the Dems who sold out to have waived their constitutional duty to act as a check on the executive --- whether the executive be George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or John McCain.
  • runasim
    Damozel said:
    "Political expediency and strategy are not good reasons...."
    ????

    If strategy is not important, then why participate in politics? or sports? or in career planning? or anything?

    Does anone play chess just for the fun of moving game pieces around, without planning moves for winning?

    This is an attempt to have Bush's 'mission accomplished' moment,with no follow up strategy for what to do next. Let's say Obama had voted your way. The bill would still not be defeated, because the votes weren't there. What would have been the Dem strategy after that,as they are pounded daily for being weak on security in addition to every other charge from being a secret Muslim jihadi to being an elitist? ?
    Oh, I forgot. It doesn't matter who wins. As long as the progressives have their moment of righteousness.

    Well, it matters to me, and I've been busy advocating for changes to the FISA bill, out of the limelight, in ways that won't defeat my primary goal of seeing a Democrat in the WH. That's called pragmatism and strategy, things you obviously didain.


    it's a cheap shot, btw, to accuse everyone who diagrees with you of bieng guilty of hero worship. He is not my hero. He does not always speak for me. But i learn from him and I prioritize. Sometimes I even put the good of the country ahead of my own preferences.
    That's also pragmatism. it's also an expression of principles.
  • AustinRoth
    runi - have to agree on the 'lenghts people will go comments' when you hold China up as a shining example while beating up on the US.

    My point, which should have been obvious, even to you, was that we are not the Great Satan of polluters. We do have stronger anti-pollution laws than we are given credit for.

    But America must be attacked, and countries like China and India praised, and damn the facts that do not support that position.

    Sorry, but it the same symptom shown by the Left cognoscenti who jet around in private planes en mass, to tell us to reduce our global carbon use. It is Al Gore living an energy hog of a house, while Bush lives in an environmentally friendly one, but Gore is the f'ing Messiah of the Green movement, and Bush a pariah.

    It is the hypocrisy in so many ways and in so many different areas from the Left (and not that the Right isn't full of them, too, in their own areas like 'Family Values' and others) that galls me.

    But this board has more than enough people pointing out the foibles of the Right, and so few here willing to admit those on the Left.
  • Neocon
    I rather suspect Barak obama voted the way he did because he is soon to be the president. Perhaps and he understands reality. Reality that escapes the left on matters of securty of all types it seems.

    GWB brought in leaders from both branches of the government and both parties and informed them of the fisa wiretaps. The democrats remained silent for one overwhelming reason. The NSA wiretaps were working marvelously well. They were overseen and they were administered.

    Barak Obama knows this. He voted for the Fisa bill because he wants that ability to SPY ON YOU when hes in the big chair. Oh my GAWD. Say it aint so Obama.
  • runasim
    AR,
    re: "My point, which should have been obvious, even to you, was that we are not the Great Satan of polluters"

    And my point, which should have been obvious, even to you. is that since some of our pollution has been collecting the atmosphere and in oceans for a long time, while China's contribution is relatively recent, we bear some responsibility..

    If you choose to translate an acknwledgement of responsbility as an attack, that's your problem. As a matter of fact, yours is an attitude that would fit in nicely in authoritarian China, where, conveniently for you the regime can not be questioned, criticized or referred to in other than glowing terms.
    Oh, oh! It sounds as if you are holding up China as a shining example while American democracy and freedom of speech must be attacked at any cost.

    The Right is now attacking America. Lordy, lordy, the lengths some people will go to.
  • AustinRoth
    Christ runi - get off your high horse, and quick making up crap.

    Where, and in what way, did I imply you had no right to express your opinion? That is the realm of the Left, which loves to pass PC speech laws. Seems you also love to equate criticism with efforts to quash, another leftist tactic.

    I fully support your right to expound your opinions, no matter how ill conceived, simplistic, unsupported and poorly thought out they may be. I also reserve my right to point that out to you.
  • runasim
    AR,

    All it did was twist your comment exactly the way you twisted mine.
    I was learning from the master, and that would be you.
    I followed your methodology, step by step..

    IIf you don't like your own gimmickry, stop using it.
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