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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20956/foreign-languages-and-the-global-economy-genie/comment-page-1/#comment-145491</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, for better or for worse, there are many millions of Americans who view language as a sort of battle in which speaking to others is not a great skill but an unfortunate and unjustified accommodation or even defeat.&lt;br&gt;-------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;There are also a substantial number of racists and bigots.    I would hope that leaders advocate for an attitude substantially more enlightened than the lowest common denominator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, for better or for worse, there are many millions of Americans who view language as a sort of battle in which speaking to others is not a great skill but an unfortunate and unjustified accommodation or even defeat.<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />There are also a substantial number of racists and bigots.    I would hope that leaders advocate for an attitude substantially more enlightened than the lowest common denominator.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20956/foreign-languages-and-the-global-economy-genie/comment-page-1/#comment-145490</link>
		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I understand to some degree why Obama&#039;s getting knocked because of the way he lead in to the topic. Quoting the quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/07/08/bilingual_obama/&quot;&gt;this Salon article&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But understand this. Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English -- they&#039;ll learn English -- you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual? We should have every child speaking more than one language.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the exact fear of people who worry about immigration. That instead of &quot;them&quot; learning English, &quot;we&quot; are all going to be forced to learn Spanish. This will set many Americans off immediately and they may not hear anything else. Now, as he keeps talking it becomes clear that Obama&#039;s just saying that having many language skills is a great asset to an individual and to the nation. That&#039;s entirely reasonable and true.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(It&#039;s also entirely reasonable to learn a skill so that one can talk immediately to immigrants and travelers whose native language isn&#039;t English. Millions of Japanese tourists for instance come to Hawaii every year, where I live, and my job prospects would be much better if I could speak Japanese. Similar things are true in other parts of the nation with Spanish or Hmong or Arabic. But, for better or for worse, there are many millions of Americans who view language as a sort of battle in which speaking to others is not a great skill but an unfortunate and unjustified accommodation or even defeat.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I understand to some degree why Obama&#39;s getting knocked because of the way he lead in to the topic. Quoting the quote from <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/07/08/bilingual_obama/">this Salon article</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But understand this. Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English &#8212; they&#39;ll learn English &#8212; you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual? We should have every child speaking more than one language.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the exact fear of people who worry about immigration. That instead of &#8220;them&#8221; learning English, &#8220;we&#8221; are all going to be forced to learn Spanish. This will set many Americans off immediately and they may not hear anything else. Now, as he keeps talking it becomes clear that Obama&#39;s just saying that having many language skills is a great asset to an individual and to the nation. That&#39;s entirely reasonable and true.</p>
<p>(It&#39;s also entirely reasonable to learn a skill so that one can talk immediately to immigrants and travelers whose native language isn&#39;t English. Millions of Japanese tourists for instance come to Hawaii every year, where I live, and my job prospects would be much better if I could speak Japanese. Similar things are true in other parts of the nation with Spanish or Hmong or Arabic. But, for better or for worse, there are many millions of Americans who view language as a sort of battle in which speaking to others is not a great skill but an unfortunate and unjustified accommodation or even defeat.)</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20956/foreign-languages-and-the-global-economy-genie/comment-page-1/#comment-145488</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many advantages to knowing more than one language,  it would take a separate treatise to describe them all. Translations can&#039;t compare with understanding another language for the insights that can be derived about other cultures..&lt;br&gt;Insights into different cultures not only build bridges, they broaden all thinking,and understanding of the  wrold we live in.  We can&#039;t but live in a global inter-connected world, and we are at a disadvantage if we don&#039;t understand the people we have to deal with in it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama gets it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many advantages to knowing more than one language,  it would take a separate treatise to describe them all. Translations can&#39;t compare with understanding another language for the insights that can be derived about other cultures..<br />Insights into different cultures not only build bridges, they broaden all thinking,and understanding of the  wrold we live in.  We can&#39;t but live in a global inter-connected world, and we are at a disadvantage if we don&#39;t understand the people we have to deal with in it.</p>
<p>Obama gets it.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20956/foreign-languages-and-the-global-economy-genie/comment-page-1/#comment-145487</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikkel -- that may very well be true.  Formal instruction, though, is currently based on grammar and syntax, and the terminology is useless (past participles??) if one doesn&#039;t understand it in at least one language.   (This isn&#039;t to say there aren&#039;t much better ways to teach.  Just talking about the standard methods in schools)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For much younger children, though, familiarity with pronunciation, phrases, and general structure are the very best possible baseline for later study and ability to absorb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikkel &#8212; that may very well be true.  Formal instruction, though, is currently based on grammar and syntax, and the terminology is useless (past participles??) if one doesn&#39;t understand it in at least one language.   (This isn&#39;t to say there aren&#39;t much better ways to teach.  Just talking about the standard methods in schools)</p>
<p>For much younger children, though, familiarity with pronunciation, phrases, and general structure are the very best possible baseline for later study and ability to absorb.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unfortunately, the mastery of English is also a relatively rare skill — and that’s an absolute must before one can add other languages with proficiency.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Polimom I&#039;ve known several people (and there are studies that hint at the possibility) that claim multilingualism facilitates general language development. Studying languages with different sounds and grammar structure seems to make it easier to understand the underlying principles of your native language as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, the mastery of English is also a relatively rare skill — and that’s an absolute must before one can add other languages with proficiency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Polimom I&#39;ve known several people (and there are studies that hint at the possibility) that claim multilingualism facilitates general language development. Studying languages with different sounds and grammar structure seems to make it easier to understand the underlying principles of your native language as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom Says &#187; Foreign languages vs American provincialism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polimom Says &#187; Foreign languages vs American provincialism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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