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		<title>By: maddy08</title>
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		<dc:creator>maddy08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. I am very glad to read it. I have never had coffee at Starbucks. But sure I will be having it very soon. Thank you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;======================================&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;maddy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.legalx.net&quot;&gt;california dui&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. I am very glad to read it. I have never had coffee at Starbucks. But sure I will be having it very soon. Thank you.</p>
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<p>maddy</p>
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		<title>By: maddy08</title>
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		<dc:creator>maddy08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. I am very glad to read it. I have never had coffee at Starbucks. But sure I will be having it very soon. Thank you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;======================================&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;maddy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.legalx.net&quot;&gt;california dui&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. I am very glad to read it. I have never had coffee at Starbucks. But sure I will be having it very soon. Thank you.</p>
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<p>maddy</p>
<p><a href="http://www.legalx.net">california dui</a></p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear jemrey, welcome to TMV and thank you for commenting. It is true that friends of like feather-- or pelt-- are so cherished as time goes on. I am made glad when I hear people have found kindred spirits. It&#039;s too often a rarity. All be blessed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear jemrey, welcome to TMV and thank you for commenting. It is true that friends of like feather&#8211; or pelt&#8211; are so cherished as time goes on. I am made glad when I hear people have found kindred spirits. It&#39;s too often a rarity. All be blessed.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear jemrey, welcome to TMV and thank you for commenting. It is true that friends of like feather-- or pelt-- are so cherished as time goes on. I am made glad when I hear people have found kindred spirits. It&#039;s too often a rarity. All be blessed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear jemrey, welcome to TMV and thank you for commenting. It is true that friends of like feather&#8211; or pelt&#8211; are so cherished as time goes on. I am made glad when I hear people have found kindred spirits. It&#39;s too often a rarity. All be blessed.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: jemrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jemrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. E-&lt;br&gt;THANK YOU for this post. What an interesting perspective! I am so happy to have found you on this website. At the risk of sounding like a pre-adolescent groupie, I must say that I have been one of your biggest/silent fans for quite some time. I always feel such a deep resonance with your work. I met some of my dearest friends in the &#039;90s through a women&#039;s group in which we read &quot;Women who Run with the Wolves&quot; together. AND NOW you have clinched it with this wonderful article - the tie-in of Sealskin/Soulskin and oh my - the house blend.  &lt;br&gt;Jeannie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. E-<br />THANK YOU for this post. What an interesting perspective! I am so happy to have found you on this website. At the risk of sounding like a pre-adolescent groupie, I must say that I have been one of your biggest/silent fans for quite some time. I always feel such a deep resonance with your work. I met some of my dearest friends in the &#39;90s through a women&#39;s group in which we read &#8220;Women who Run with the Wolves&#8221; together. AND NOW you have clinched it with this wonderful article &#8211; the tie-in of Sealskin/Soulskin and oh my &#8211; the house blend.  <br />Jeannie</p>
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		<title>By: jemrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jemrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. E-&lt;br&gt;THANK YOU for this post. What an interesting perspective! I am so happy to have found you on this website. At the risk of sounding like a pre-adolescent groupie, I must say that I have been one of your biggest/silent fans for quite some time. I always feel such a deep resonance with your work. I met some of my dearest friends in the &#039;90s through a women&#039;s group in which we read &quot;Women who Run with the Wolves&quot; together. AND NOW you have clinched it with this wonderful article - the tie-in of Sealskin/Soulskin and oh my - the house blend.  &lt;br&gt;Jeannie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. E-<br />THANK YOU for this post. What an interesting perspective! I am so happy to have found you on this website. At the risk of sounding like a pre-adolescent groupie, I must say that I have been one of your biggest/silent fans for quite some time. I always feel such a deep resonance with your work. I met some of my dearest friends in the &#39;90s through a women&#39;s group in which we read &#8220;Women who Run with the Wolves&#8221; together. AND NOW you have clinched it with this wonderful article &#8211; the tie-in of Sealskin/Soulskin and oh my &#8211; the house blend.  <br />Jeannie</p>
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		<title>By: JillyDybka</title>
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		<dc:creator>JillyDybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok thanks <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JillyDybka</title>
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		<dc:creator>JillyDybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok thanks <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>welcome river, and thank you for being persistent. The disqus comment system requires that a person register, which I think means give your screen name, email addy and a password. I notice Disqus doesnt always log people out for days, and then all of a sudden logs them out and they have to sign in again. It&#039;s a little touchy, and no one on staff here has yet really figured out what the &#039;points&#039; on Disqus mean, but other than that, it&#039;s relatively reliable. If you ever have trouble again, go to the masthead and click on joe gandelman&#039;s name or TSteels, and it will open an email for you to ask for help.  Once again, welcome; sometimes in the forest everyone at first loses their way... but then one sees the trail of... breadcrumbs. lol&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr,.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welcome river, and thank you for being persistent. The disqus comment system requires that a person register, which I think means give your screen name, email addy and a password. I notice Disqus doesnt always log people out for days, and then all of a sudden logs them out and they have to sign in again. It&#39;s a little touchy, and no one on staff here has yet really figured out what the &#39;points&#39; on Disqus mean, but other than that, it&#39;s relatively reliable. If you ever have trouble again, go to the masthead and click on joe gandelman&#39;s name or TSteels, and it will open an email for you to ask for help.  Once again, welcome; sometimes in the forest everyone at first loses their way&#8230; but then one sees the trail of&#8230; breadcrumbs. lol</p>
<p>dr,.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>welcome river, and thank you for being persistent. The disqus comment system requires that a person register, which I think means give your screen name, email addy and a password. I notice Disqus doesnt always log people out for days, and then all of a sudden logs them out and they have to sign in again. It&#039;s a little touchy, and no one on staff here has yet really figured out what the &#039;points&#039; on Disqus mean, but other than that, it&#039;s relatively reliable. If you ever have trouble again, go to the masthead and click on joe gandelman&#039;s name or TSteels, and it will open an email for you to ask for help.  Once again, welcome; sometimes in the forest everyone at first loses their way... but then one sees the trail of... breadcrumbs. lol&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr,.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welcome river, and thank you for being persistent. The disqus comment system requires that a person register, which I think means give your screen name, email addy and a password. I notice Disqus doesnt always log people out for days, and then all of a sudden logs them out and they have to sign in again. It&#39;s a little touchy, and no one on staff here has yet really figured out what the &#39;points&#39; on Disqus mean, but other than that, it&#39;s relatively reliable. If you ever have trouble again, go to the masthead and click on joe gandelman&#39;s name or TSteels, and it will open an email for you to ask for help.  Once again, welcome; sometimes in the forest everyone at first loses their way&#8230; but then one sees the trail of&#8230; breadcrumbs. lol</p>
<p>dr,.e</p>
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		<title>By: river</title>
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		<dc:creator>river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be &quot;____&quot;. I have tried to post a comment for months, but never could figure out how to get in.  I am so happy i forgot my comment, except to say, I so love reading your post Dr.E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll be &#8220;____&#8221;. I have tried to post a comment for months, but never could figure out how to get in.  I am so happy i forgot my comment, except to say, I so love reading your post Dr.E.</p>
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		<title>By: river</title>
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		<dc:creator>river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be &quot;____&quot;. I have tried to post a comment for months, but never could figure out how to get in.  I am so happy i forgot my comment, except to say, I so love reading your post Dr.E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll be &#8220;____&#8221;. I have tried to post a comment for months, but never could figure out how to get in.  I am so happy i forgot my comment, except to say, I so love reading your post Dr.E.</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear neocon, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m fresh out of &#039;rippers&#039; today... (ok, poor attempt at a joke) and there is something speeded up as you mention, not sure though whether its driven by people&#039;s true desires, or whether those &#039;desires&#039; are sort of staged for people by determined marketers ....inviting them, luring them into the world you describe. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One metaphor that comes to mind re adverts and marketing and such, goes something like this: If we asked ourselves, what I am hungry for, just for lunch? say... today, maybe we&#039;d think some fresh fruit might taste good. Or whatever else. Left to ourselves without interference, we&#039;d likely go find whatever that is we like, or need. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; But say on another day, instead of having even a moment to think things through, we were all bombarded via tv ads, billboards and then in reality... with a smoraasbord. Piles and piles of piles and piles of whipped cream and pastries we dont even remember how to make and would take a week to make anyway; piles of meats and cheeses and five kinds of salads, and seven entrees, et al&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A lot of people would not stop, and ask, what do I really hunger for. They&#039;d jump into the stash&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just my two cents worth, but that&#039;s how I think marketing/adverts sometimes work... presenting fait&#039; accomplis that interfere with personal and timely considerations, larding people&#039;s minds with images, scents, tastes, etc, til, sure enough... there&#039;s a market for the &#039;whatever.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To me, as I travel, what I see are people longing to have time enough to sit still and think, but the world presses hard on them, whether with care of elderly parents, little kids, ill spouses, two jobs to keep things going, trying to go to school, their own health ... much more. At Starbucks, as often as seeing students working, or people chatting quietly, I see people taking lunch on the run. They&#039;re not at lunch. They&#039;re at a meeting, and grabbing a sandwhich and cup of Joe to take with. The fast food joint, in one way, could be seen as being aligned with working a person crazy, rather than resting a person back into sanity&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of the small trades people and mom and pop stores where I grew up were conservatives; straight arrows down and up. Most were also as kind as they were sharply tuned. And as bewildered as any so called liberals about deterioration of certain groundnotes in culture.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I dont know if this is germane to the discussion, but I&#039;ve found in my work in the consulting room, that diagnosing judgement or core values of people by their politics is not a fair measure. There&#039;s as many greedy me-me-me types, as you mentioned, in every group and personality type... as there are people who are more considered, or far more considered. Actually the more considered people make up the majority most places/groups, but often they dont talk as loudly as the others who take the spotlight&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s an interesting study Neocon in seeing how groups will sometimes let the least of their tribe speak for them, even though they agree with less than half of what the ranter is saying, because they dont want to be the ones to take the opprobrium that might affect their businesses and families. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s an old old story, that. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear neocon, I&#39;m afraid I&#39;m fresh out of &#39;rippers&#39; today&#8230; (ok, poor attempt at a joke) and there is something speeded up as you mention, not sure though whether its driven by people&#39;s true desires, or whether those &#39;desires&#39; are sort of staged for people by determined marketers &#8230;.inviting them, luring them into the world you describe. </p>
<p>One metaphor that comes to mind re adverts and marketing and such, goes something like this: If we asked ourselves, what I am hungry for, just for lunch? say&#8230; today, maybe we&#39;d think some fresh fruit might taste good. Or whatever else. Left to ourselves without interference, we&#39;d likely go find whatever that is we like, or need. </p>
<p> But say on another day, instead of having even a moment to think things through, we were all bombarded via tv ads, billboards and then in reality&#8230; with a smoraasbord. Piles and piles of piles and piles of whipped cream and pastries we dont even remember how to make and would take a week to make anyway; piles of meats and cheeses and five kinds of salads, and seven entrees, et al</p>
<p>A lot of people would not stop, and ask, what do I really hunger for. They&#39;d jump into the stash</p>
<p>Just my two cents worth, but that&#39;s how I think marketing/adverts sometimes work&#8230; presenting fait&#39; accomplis that interfere with personal and timely considerations, larding people&#39;s minds with images, scents, tastes, etc, til, sure enough&#8230; there&#39;s a market for the &#39;whatever.&#39;</p>
<p>To me, as I travel, what I see are people longing to have time enough to sit still and think, but the world presses hard on them, whether with care of elderly parents, little kids, ill spouses, two jobs to keep things going, trying to go to school, their own health &#8230; much more. At Starbucks, as often as seeing students working, or people chatting quietly, I see people taking lunch on the run. They&#39;re not at lunch. They&#39;re at a meeting, and grabbing a sandwhich and cup of Joe to take with. The fast food joint, in one way, could be seen as being aligned with working a person crazy, rather than resting a person back into sanity</p>
<p>Most of the small trades people and mom and pop stores where I grew up were conservatives; straight arrows down and up. Most were also as kind as they were sharply tuned. And as bewildered as any so called liberals about deterioration of certain groundnotes in culture.</p>
<p>I dont know if this is germane to the discussion, but I&#39;ve found in my work in the consulting room, that diagnosing judgement or core values of people by their politics is not a fair measure. There&#39;s as many greedy me-me-me types, as you mentioned, in every group and personality type&#8230; as there are people who are more considered, or far more considered. Actually the more considered people make up the majority most places/groups, but often they dont talk as loudly as the others who take the spotlight</p>
<p>It&#39;s an interesting study Neocon in seeing how groups will sometimes let the least of their tribe speak for them, even though they agree with less than half of what the ranter is saying, because they dont want to be the ones to take the opprobrium that might affect their businesses and families. </p>
<p>It&#39;s an old old story, that. </p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
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		<description>dear neocon, I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m fresh out of &#039;rippers&#039; today... (ok, poor attempt at a joke) and there is something speeded up as you mention, not sure though whether its driven by people&#039;s true desires, or whether those &#039;desires&#039; are sort of staged for people by determined marketers ....inviting them, luring them into the world you describe. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One metaphor that comes to mind re adverts and marketing and such, goes something like this: If we asked ourselves, what I am hungry for, just for lunch? say... today, maybe we&#039;d think some fresh fruit might taste good. Or whatever else. Left to ourselves without interference, we&#039;d likely go find whatever that is we like, or need. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; But say on another day, instead of having even a moment to think things through, we were all bombarded via tv ads, billboards and then in reality... with a smoraasbord. Piles and piles of piles and piles of whipped cream and pastries we dont even remember how to make and would take a week to make anyway; piles of meats and cheeses and five kinds of salads, and seven entrees, et al&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A lot of people would not stop, and ask, what do I really hunger for. They&#039;d jump into the stash&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just my two cents worth, but that&#039;s how I think marketing/adverts sometimes work... presenting fait&#039; accomplis that interfere with personal and timely considerations, larding people&#039;s minds with images, scents, tastes, etc, til, sure enough... there&#039;s a market for the &#039;whatever.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To me, as I travel, what I see are people longing to have time enough to sit still and think, but the world presses hard on them, whether with care of elderly parents, little kids, ill spouses, two jobs to keep things going, trying to go to school, their own health ... much more. At Starbucks, as often as seeing students working, or people chatting quietly, I see people taking lunch on the run. They&#039;re not at lunch. They&#039;re at a meeting, and grabbing a sandwhich and cup of Joe to take with. The fast food joint, in one way, could be seen as being aligned with working a person crazy, rather than resting a person back into sanity&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of the small trades people and mom and pop stores where I grew up were conservatives; straight arrows down and up. Most were also as kind as they were sharply tuned. And as bewildered as any so called liberals about deterioration of certain groundnotes in culture.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I dont know if this is germane to the discussion, but I&#039;ve found in my work in the consulting room, that diagnosing judgement or core values of people by their politics is not a fair measure. There&#039;s as many greedy me-me-me types, as you mentioned, in every group and personality type... as there are people who are more considered, or far more considered. Actually the more considered people make up the majority most places/groups, but often they dont talk as loudly as the others who take the spotlight&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s an interesting study Neocon in seeing how groups will sometimes let the least of their tribe speak for them, even though they agree with less than half of what the ranter is saying, because they dont want to be the ones to take the opprobrium that might affect their businesses and families. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s an old old story, that. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear neocon, I&#39;m afraid I&#39;m fresh out of &#39;rippers&#39; today&#8230; (ok, poor attempt at a joke) and there is something speeded up as you mention, not sure though whether its driven by people&#39;s true desires, or whether those &#39;desires&#39; are sort of staged for people by determined marketers &#8230;.inviting them, luring them into the world you describe. </p>
<p>One metaphor that comes to mind re adverts and marketing and such, goes something like this: If we asked ourselves, what I am hungry for, just for lunch? say&#8230; today, maybe we&#39;d think some fresh fruit might taste good. Or whatever else. Left to ourselves without interference, we&#39;d likely go find whatever that is we like, or need. </p>
<p> But say on another day, instead of having even a moment to think things through, we were all bombarded via tv ads, billboards and then in reality&#8230; with a smoraasbord. Piles and piles of piles and piles of whipped cream and pastries we dont even remember how to make and would take a week to make anyway; piles of meats and cheeses and five kinds of salads, and seven entrees, et al</p>
<p>A lot of people would not stop, and ask, what do I really hunger for. They&#39;d jump into the stash</p>
<p>Just my two cents worth, but that&#39;s how I think marketing/adverts sometimes work&#8230; presenting fait&#39; accomplis that interfere with personal and timely considerations, larding people&#39;s minds with images, scents, tastes, etc, til, sure enough&#8230; there&#39;s a market for the &#39;whatever.&#39;</p>
<p>To me, as I travel, what I see are people longing to have time enough to sit still and think, but the world presses hard on them, whether with care of elderly parents, little kids, ill spouses, two jobs to keep things going, trying to go to school, their own health &#8230; much more. At Starbucks, as often as seeing students working, or people chatting quietly, I see people taking lunch on the run. They&#39;re not at lunch. They&#39;re at a meeting, and grabbing a sandwhich and cup of Joe to take with. The fast food joint, in one way, could be seen as being aligned with working a person crazy, rather than resting a person back into sanity</p>
<p>Most of the small trades people and mom and pop stores where I grew up were conservatives; straight arrows down and up. Most were also as kind as they were sharply tuned. And as bewildered as any so called liberals about deterioration of certain groundnotes in culture.</p>
<p>I dont know if this is germane to the discussion, but I&#39;ve found in my work in the consulting room, that diagnosing judgement or core values of people by their politics is not a fair measure. There&#39;s as many greedy me-me-me types, as you mentioned, in every group and personality type&#8230; as there are people who are more considered, or far more considered. Actually the more considered people make up the majority most places/groups, but often they dont talk as loudly as the others who take the spotlight</p>
<p>It&#39;s an interesting study Neocon in seeing how groups will sometimes let the least of their tribe speak for them, even though they agree with less than half of what the ranter is saying, because they dont want to be the ones to take the opprobrium that might affect their businesses and families. </p>
<p>It&#39;s an old old story, that. </p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jillyD: dear JD, re mail drop, please send your email addy to joe gandelman, and I&#039;ll contact you offsite, ok?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jillyD: dear JD, re mail drop, please send your email addy to joe gandelman, and I&#39;ll contact you offsite, ok?</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jillyD: dear JD, re mail drop, please send your email addy to joe gandelman, and I&#039;ll contact you offsite, ok?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jillyD: dear JD, re mail drop, please send your email addy to joe gandelman, and I&#39;ll contact you offsite, ok?</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: JillyDybka</title>
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		<dc:creator>JillyDybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--Why are people so afraid of an actual boob?&lt;br&gt;--There&#039;s a good collection of poetry with a bunch of Selkie poems called Silkie by Anne-Marie Cusac.&lt;br&gt;--I would like to send you a copy of my poem book Dr E - do you have a mail drop?&lt;br&gt;--I call starbucks &quot;charbucks&quot; because their beans taste burnt&lt;br&gt;--my little town in TN just got a coffee shop yay&lt;br&gt;--corpses take longer to decompose now because of the food preservatives we eat&lt;br&gt;--coffee at my dad&#039;s drive-in/donut shop cost 58 cents a cup in the mid-80&#039;s with tax free refills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;Why are people so afraid of an actual boob?<br />&#8211;There&#39;s a good collection of poetry with a bunch of Selkie poems called Silkie by Anne-Marie Cusac.<br />&#8211;I would like to send you a copy of my poem book Dr E &#8211; do you have a mail drop?<br />&#8211;I call starbucks &#8220;charbucks&#8221; because their beans taste burnt<br />&#8211;my little town in TN just got a coffee shop yay<br />&#8211;corpses take longer to decompose now because of the food preservatives we eat<br />&#8211;coffee at my dad&#39;s drive-in/donut shop cost 58 cents a cup in the mid-80&#39;s with tax free refills</p>
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		<title>By: JillyDybka</title>
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		<dc:creator>JillyDybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--Why are people so afraid of an actual boob?&lt;br&gt;--There&#039;s a good collection of poetry with a bunch of Selkie poems called Silkie by Anne-Marie Cusac.&lt;br&gt;--I would like to send you a copy of my poem book Dr E - do you have a mail drop?&lt;br&gt;--I call starbucks &quot;charbucks&quot; because their beans taste burnt&lt;br&gt;--my little town in TN just got a coffee shop yay&lt;br&gt;--corpses take longer to decompose now because of the food preservatives we eat&lt;br&gt;--coffee at my dad&#039;s drive-in/donut shop cost 58 cents a cup in the mid-80&#039;s with tax free refills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;Why are people so afraid of an actual boob?<br />&#8211;There&#39;s a good collection of poetry with a bunch of Selkie poems called Silkie by Anne-Marie Cusac.<br />&#8211;I would like to send you a copy of my poem book Dr E &#8211; do you have a mail drop?<br />&#8211;I call starbucks &#8220;charbucks&#8221; because their beans taste burnt<br />&#8211;my little town in TN just got a coffee shop yay<br />&#8211;corpses take longer to decompose now because of the food preservatives we eat<br />&#8211;coffee at my dad&#39;s drive-in/donut shop cost 58 cents a cup in the mid-80&#39;s with tax free refills</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sure Ill be ripped a new one for saying this but Starbucks is the epitome of the new fast, driveby, get it now, gotta have it now, me, me, me era that has descended upon America.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is reflective of reality.  The fast changing world in which conservative, lets go slow, take it easy and think about it values have been replaced by fast cars, fast internet, fast coffee and fast food.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gotta have it now.  When we dont get it now we find something that WILL get it too us now.  As the liberals used to say over and over but I have not seen it lately.......the worlds changing........get over it...........well the worlds changing.  All those mom and pops have to get over it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The difference between Mom and Pop and conservatives is that YES the world might be changing but that does not mean they CAN get over it or that they DO like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sure Ill be ripped a new one for saying this but Starbucks is the epitome of the new fast, driveby, get it now, gotta have it now, me, me, me era that has descended upon America.  </p>
<p>It is reflective of reality.  The fast changing world in which conservative, lets go slow, take it easy and think about it values have been replaced by fast cars, fast internet, fast coffee and fast food.</p>
<p>Gotta have it now.  When we dont get it now we find something that WILL get it too us now.  As the liberals used to say over and over but I have not seen it lately&#8230;&#8230;.the worlds changing&#8230;&#8230;..get over it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..well the worlds changing.  All those mom and pops have to get over it. </p>
<p>The difference between Mom and Pop and conservatives is that YES the world might be changing but that does not mean they CAN get over it or that they DO like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sure Ill be ripped a new one for saying this but Starbucks is the epitome of the new fast, driveby, get it now, gotta have it now, me, me, me era that has descended upon America.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is reflective of reality.  The fast changing world in which conservative, lets go slow, take it easy and think about it values have been replaced by fast cars, fast internet, fast coffee and fast food.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gotta have it now.  When we dont get it now we find something that WILL get it too us now.  As the liberals used to say over and over but I have not seen it lately.......the worlds changing........get over it...........well the worlds changing.  All those mom and pops have to get over it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The difference between Mom and Pop and conservatives is that YES the world might be changing but that does not mean they CAN get over it or that they DO like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sure Ill be ripped a new one for saying this but Starbucks is the epitome of the new fast, driveby, get it now, gotta have it now, me, me, me era that has descended upon America.  </p>
<p>It is reflective of reality.  The fast changing world in which conservative, lets go slow, take it easy and think about it values have been replaced by fast cars, fast internet, fast coffee and fast food.</p>
<p>Gotta have it now.  When we dont get it now we find something that WILL get it too us now.  As the liberals used to say over and over but I have not seen it lately&#8230;&#8230;.the worlds changing&#8230;&#8230;..get over it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..well the worlds changing.  All those mom and pops have to get over it. </p>
<p>The difference between Mom and Pop and conservatives is that YES the world might be changing but that does not mean they CAN get over it or that they DO like it.</p>
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