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		<title>By: president united states</title>
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		<dc:creator>president united states</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: calling the us from germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>calling the us from germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vwcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>vwcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the joint chiefs and Gates and congress are against Bush and cheney and their desire to attack Iran, I think B and C have been manipulating the Israelis and filling them with all kinds of garbage from bogus intelligence, ect. to get them to attack instead.&lt;br&gt;I really think they are ginning things up over there in Israel because our guys are not giving them their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the joint chiefs and Gates and congress are against Bush and cheney and their desire to attack Iran, I think B and C have been manipulating the Israelis and filling them with all kinds of garbage from bogus intelligence, ect. to get them to attack instead.<br />I really think they are ginning things up over there in Israel because our guys are not giving them their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recenly a CIA operative of 20 years was fired for not doctoring reports he submitted showing that there was no indication of nuclear capability from Iran.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His bosses wanted a report to justify invasion-talk, and his unwillingness to lie to the American people cost him his job...just like all those attorneys Bush/Cheney fired...they were unwilling to commit treason on behalf of the pResident and his cohorts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It all fits in with the phone call scenario I posted above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recenly a CIA operative of 20 years was fired for not doctoring reports he submitted showing that there was no indication of nuclear capability from Iran.</p>
<p>His bosses wanted a report to justify invasion-talk, and his unwillingness to lie to the American people cost him his job&#8230;just like all those attorneys Bush/Cheney fired&#8230;they were unwilling to commit treason on behalf of the pResident and his cohorts.</p>
<p>It all fits in with the phone call scenario I posted above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that there is an internal fight going on about what the US should do.Sy Hersh says that the reason he got so much information from the militray is that they are dead set agianst an attack and they hoped the leaks would help.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The  US special forces inside Iran are doing much more than just spying, which flies in the face of assurances that we don&#039;t want to topple the regime.  That gives Iran every incentive to not agree to the EU/US offer.  It almost seems like some people want to provoke a war, regardless of what the prospects are.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is exactly the kind of thinking that led to the invasion of iraq.  It&#039;s a nightmare to see it dare to speak in public  again  even before the previous disaster is mopped up.  I think these folks are on  a suicide mission and want to take everyone else with them.  &lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure it&#039;ll spell the end of Israel in the proces, as well/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that there is an internal fight going on about what the US should do.Sy Hersh says that the reason he got so much information from the militray is that they are dead set agianst an attack and they hoped the leaks would help.</p>
<p>The  US special forces inside Iran are doing much more than just spying, which flies in the face of assurances that we don&#39;t want to topple the regime.  That gives Iran every incentive to not agree to the EU/US offer.  It almost seems like some people want to provoke a war, regardless of what the prospects are.  </p>
<p>This is exactly the kind of thinking that led to the invasion of iraq.  It&#39;s a nightmare to see it dare to speak in public  again  even before the previous disaster is mopped up.  I think these folks are on  a suicide mission and want to take everyone else with them.  <br />I&#39;m sure it&#39;ll spell the end of Israel in the proces, as well/</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newsflash, all the boys are in bed together.  Iranian officials, the Bin Ladens and the Bush family.  So when one needs a favor that ultimately will play out to help the other (the maintenance of the GOP/BigOil price-fixing monopoly on American consumers to the benefit $$ of their core group) then of course they will oblige.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can hear the phone call now. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dubya: &quot;Hey Emir, I need you to play along with this escalating violence thingy with Iran.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Emir: &quot;What&#039;s in it for me?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dubya: &quot;Billions in profits heh heh...if Hillary gets in there&#039;ll be real change and price controls...even defection to renewable energy..&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Emir: &quot;Dear Allah!!  We cannot have that!  What do you want me to do??..&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dubya:  &quot;OK, here&#039;s the deal...we&#039;re busy promoting this Chicago non-electable punk named Obama...heh...heh...like Salem&#039;s brother &quot;Osama&quot;...heh heh...  We&#039;ve got BigMedia working on that one &#039;round the clock....then while that&#039;s happening, we trump up trouble in your country...imminent war...that type of thingy...then when Obama gets the nomination...all hell breaks loose....just short of an invasion.  Obama will lose to McCain and then we&#039;ve got 8 more years of total monopoly.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Emir: &quot;Sounds good.  I&#039;ll tell my people.  Give my best to the wife.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dubya: &quot;You too.  And tell Salem I&#039;m having a BBQ next week at the ranch.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*******&lt;br&gt;The thing that tipped us off to being almost 100% certain this is what&#039;s going on is with the predictably increasing reports of tension in Iran on BigMedia was a curious report they made last week or so about how Iran was going to dig about 30-40,000 graves along their borders to bury the (presumed/implied American) dead soldiers to comply with the Geneva convention and not demean the memory of their fallen enemies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which of course was a psychological scare tactic, at its worst, aimed directly and purposefully at placing fear in the hearts of the American people about a conflict with Iran.  That would N-E-V-E-R be allowed in mainstream BigMedia to reach the ears of the public without having a GOP-political purpose behind it.  N-E-V-E-R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsflash, all the boys are in bed together.  Iranian officials, the Bin Ladens and the Bush family.  So when one needs a favor that ultimately will play out to help the other (the maintenance of the GOP/BigOil price-fixing monopoly on American consumers to the benefit $$ of their core group) then of course they will oblige.</p>
<p>I can hear the phone call now. </p>
<p>Dubya: &#8220;Hey Emir, I need you to play along with this escalating violence thingy with Iran.&#8221;</p>
<p>Emir: &#8220;What&#39;s in it for me?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dubya: &#8220;Billions in profits heh heh&#8230;if Hillary gets in there&#39;ll be real change and price controls&#8230;even defection to renewable energy..&#8221;</p>
<p>Emir: &#8220;Dear Allah!!  We cannot have that!  What do you want me to do??..&#8221;</p>
<p>Dubya:  &#8220;OK, here&#39;s the deal&#8230;we&#39;re busy promoting this Chicago non-electable punk named Obama&#8230;heh&#8230;heh&#8230;like Salem&#39;s brother &#8220;Osama&#8221;&#8230;heh heh&#8230;  We&#39;ve got BigMedia working on that one &#39;round the clock&#8230;.then while that&#39;s happening, we trump up trouble in your country&#8230;imminent war&#8230;that type of thingy&#8230;then when Obama gets the nomination&#8230;all hell breaks loose&#8230;.just short of an invasion.  Obama will lose to McCain and then we&#39;ve got 8 more years of total monopoly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Emir: &#8220;Sounds good.  I&#39;ll tell my people.  Give my best to the wife.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dubya: &#8220;You too.  And tell Salem I&#39;m having a BBQ next week at the ranch.&#8221;</p>
<p>*******<br />The thing that tipped us off to being almost 100% certain this is what&#39;s going on is with the predictably increasing reports of tension in Iran on BigMedia was a curious report they made last week or so about how Iran was going to dig about 30-40,000 graves along their borders to bury the (presumed/implied American) dead soldiers to comply with the Geneva convention and not demean the memory of their fallen enemies.</p>
<p>Which of course was a psychological scare tactic, at its worst, aimed directly and purposefully at placing fear in the hearts of the American people about a conflict with Iran.  That would N-E-V-E-R be allowed in mainstream BigMedia to reach the ears of the public without having a GOP-political purpose behind it.  N-E-V-E-R.</p>
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		<title>By: timr</title>
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		<dc:creator>timr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is true that Iran has put its nuclear production equipment under 27 meters of steel reinforced concrete-which in and of itself is made much stronger due to small fiberglass pieces being introduced into the concrete-which is also under dirt and stone, I don&#039;t see how you can get to it, except with maybe a few nukes dropped one after the other in the same spot, and put on penatrators for a ground level explosion. Is gwb fixated enough on Iran, and do the neocons(cheney) have enough influence to make gwb go ahead and bomb Iran? What would Iran do in return? Close the straits? Sink 1 oil tanker? Boy the price of oil would fly past $500 a barrel if that happened, hell, the price would go past $500 if Iran did nothing, the US action alone would drive the price up.. What would China and Russia do? Stand by and do nothing? Somehow I think not. Russia signed a mutual defense treaty with Iran earlier this year. What would the US military leaders do? Refuse to implement the orders? Resign en mass? Is there a general out there who would take any order to bomb Iran and run with it? yes there is. Could the evangelical movement within the military push for this? They want  Armageddon-at least the rev Hagee version does. Per Sy Hersh, the window for the attack on Iran closes by Aug 31, so the countdown to attack is, as of today, 56 days and counting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is true that Iran has put its nuclear production equipment under 27 meters of steel reinforced concrete-which in and of itself is made much stronger due to small fiberglass pieces being introduced into the concrete-which is also under dirt and stone, I don&#39;t see how you can get to it, except with maybe a few nukes dropped one after the other in the same spot, and put on penatrators for a ground level explosion. Is gwb fixated enough on Iran, and do the neocons(cheney) have enough influence to make gwb go ahead and bomb Iran? What would Iran do in return? Close the straits? Sink 1 oil tanker? Boy the price of oil would fly past $500 a barrel if that happened, hell, the price would go past $500 if Iran did nothing, the US action alone would drive the price up.. What would China and Russia do? Stand by and do nothing? Somehow I think not. Russia signed a mutual defense treaty with Iran earlier this year. What would the US military leaders do? Refuse to implement the orders? Resign en mass? Is there a general out there who would take any order to bomb Iran and run with it? yes there is. Could the evangelical movement within the military push for this? They want  Armageddon-at least the rev Hagee version does. Per Sy Hersh, the window for the attack on Iran closes by Aug 31, so the countdown to attack is, as of today, 56 days and counting.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks the real problem with the middle east is that we have tried to contain it for so long that the moderate or at least semi moderate governments are really not in control at all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I fear that as John McCain stated that we might very well be in the middle east for a long time  is a serious prospect.  If that is so then its time to bring the troops home from Japan, Korea, Germany and redeploy them to the United States so that we can use their assets while not drastically improving our own military.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In addition I am in favor of raising taxes and going on gasoline rationing.  In addition we need to drastically work on balancing the budget and paying down the debt in the middle of all this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We can fight a war or we can have massive social programs.  We cant do both.  America must decide.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or we can as a nation drill.........drill........drill and render the middle east inconsequential until we can bring about nuclear power, wind generators, solar panels, tidal harness genarators.  hybrids, electrical cars, cars that get 50 mpg and in the course of our switch from fossil fuels we can drastically reduce our carbon footprint while exporting this new technology to other parts of the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But we must make a choice.  We need guidance and direction.  All I see from Obama is....well, um I will make a judgement.  McCain is well, um mabey we should drill and give a prize to someone who makes a better Battery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Were surrounded by nitwits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks the real problem with the middle east is that we have tried to contain it for so long that the moderate or at least semi moderate governments are really not in control at all.</p>
<p>I fear that as John McCain stated that we might very well be in the middle east for a long time  is a serious prospect.  If that is so then its time to bring the troops home from Japan, Korea, Germany and redeploy them to the United States so that we can use their assets while not drastically improving our own military.</p>
<p>In addition I am in favor of raising taxes and going on gasoline rationing.  In addition we need to drastically work on balancing the budget and paying down the debt in the middle of all this.</p>
<p>We can fight a war or we can have massive social programs.  We cant do both.  America must decide.</p>
<p>Or we can as a nation drill&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;drill&#8230;&#8230;..drill and render the middle east inconsequential until we can bring about nuclear power, wind generators, solar panels, tidal harness genarators.  hybrids, electrical cars, cars that get 50 mpg and in the course of our switch from fossil fuels we can drastically reduce our carbon footprint while exporting this new technology to other parts of the world.</p>
<p>But we must make a choice.  We need guidance and direction.  All I see from Obama is&#8230;.well, um I will make a judgement.  McCain is well, um mabey we should drill and give a prize to someone who makes a better Battery.</p>
<p>Were surrounded by nitwits.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Some Democratic lawmakers questioned on Wednesday whether a new Bush administration request for $88 million to fit &quot;bunker-busting&quot; bombs to B-2 stealth bombers was part of preparations for an attack on Iran.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The proposal was included as part of a nearly $200 billion request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that the Bush administration sent to Capitol Hill on Monday.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The request included $87.8 million for further development of the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, or MOP, a conventional bomb designed to destroy hardened or deeply buried targets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WASHINGTON (Reuters) &#8211; Some Democratic lawmakers questioned on Wednesday whether a new Bush administration request for $88 million to fit &#8220;bunker-busting&#8221; bombs to B-2 stealth bombers was part of preparations for an attack on Iran.</p>
<p>The proposal was included as part of a nearly $200 billion request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that the Bush administration sent to Capitol Hill on Monday.</p>
<p>The request included $87.8 million for further development of the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, or MOP, a conventional bomb designed to destroy hardened or deeply buried targets.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kryon, I think there may be a cabinet post waiting for you in the imaginary world where Dick Cheney has appointed himself the next president. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for a third miliary front being opened in Iran, IF that turns out to be the crowning glory of the Bush/Cheney mess, then as a loyal American I will support it, but only if those two polecats are in the front lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kryon, I think there may be a cabinet post waiting for you in the imaginary world where Dick Cheney has appointed himself the next president. </p>
<p>As for a third miliary front being opened in Iran, IF that turns out to be the crowning glory of the Bush/Cheney mess, then as a loyal American I will support it, but only if those two polecats are in the front lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syria built a nuke plant.  Israel bombed it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Iraq built a nuke plant.  Israel bombed it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Iran is buidling a nuke plant......Israel has.................??????&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lets not forget the function of the hezzbollah war was to determine how effective the bunker busters were.  That is why they Israelis went into southern Lebanon after saying they wouldn&#039;t.  They needed to see how effective the bunker busters were.  Since then the USA has been modifying their bunker busters. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gee I wonder why???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syria built a nuke plant.  Israel bombed it.</p>
<p>Iraq built a nuke plant.  Israel bombed it.</p>
<p>Iran is buidling a nuke plant&#8230;&#8230;Israel has&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..??????</p>
<p>Lets not forget the function of the hezzbollah war was to determine how effective the bunker busters were.  That is why they Israelis went into southern Lebanon after saying they wouldn&#39;t.  They needed to see how effective the bunker busters were.  Since then the USA has been modifying their bunker busters. </p>
<p>Gee I wonder why???</p>
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		<title>By: kryon77</title>
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		<dc:creator>kryon77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAMOZEL, what&#039;s your opinion of the state of affairs if Iran produces nuclear weapons?  Is that a bad thing, or no big deal?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to me that the Left&#039;s obsession with the so-called Bush regime is what Freud would call wish-fulfillment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You sense that there&#039;s something dangerous out there, but refuse to confront it rationally.  So you retreat to baby-like emotions.  You wish that President Bush was the most evil phenomenon you had to worry about, so you write as if it were so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(But deep down, you know that&#039;s false.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAMOZEL, what&#39;s your opinion of the state of affairs if Iran produces nuclear weapons?  Is that a bad thing, or no big deal?</p>
<p>It seems to me that the Left&#39;s obsession with the so-called Bush regime is what Freud would call wish-fulfillment.</p>
<p>You sense that there&#39;s something dangerous out there, but refuse to confront it rationally.  So you retreat to baby-like emotions.  You wish that President Bush was the most evil phenomenon you had to worry about, so you write as if it were so.</p>
<p>(But deep down, you know that&#39;s false.)</p>
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