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		<title>By: Liberal_Fish</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20853/patriotism-lapel-pins-and-barack-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-143870</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal_Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROCK ON GLOBE SCOUT!!!</description>
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		<title>By: GlobeScout</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20853/patriotism-lapel-pins-and-barack-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-143869</link>
		<dc:creator>GlobeScout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If in your impressionable mind inclined towards slogans, DISSAPOINTMENT + PASSION = BITTERNESS, then I&#039;ve got news for you:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bitter People Vote Too :-) !!! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And this makes me very happy :-) !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If in your impressionable mind inclined towards slogans, DISSAPOINTMENT + PASSION = BITTERNESS, then I&#39;ve got news for you:</p>
<p>Bitter People Vote Too <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  !!! </p>
<p>And this makes me very happy <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  !!!</p>
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		<title>By: di54</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20853/patriotism-lapel-pins-and-barack-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-143868</link>
		<dc:creator>di54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle:&lt;br&gt;People like those associated with PUMA are more than disenchanted, they are embittered, although I suppose that if you looked the words up in a Thesaurus, they would be close in meaning.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course the quote &quot;last refuge of scoundrels&quot; has become such a commonplace of discourse that it hardly seems to warrant a citation. But if you like, I will mention here that it was apparently first uttered by Samuel Johnson.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree that Obama&#039;s donning of the flag lapel pin is the result of political calculation. And that paints both him with the brush of political disingenuousness. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whether his patriotism is &quot;feigned&quot; or not, I don&#039;t feel that I&#039;m in a position to judge at this time. But I do dislike his apparent acceptance of the shallow patriotism commended by those who want to turn lapel pins into the equivalent of 1950s loyalty oaths.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for your comments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark Daniels&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;=========================================&lt;br&gt;People like those associated with PUMA are more than disenchanted, they are embittered, although I suppose that if you looked the words up in a Thesaurus, they would be close in meaning.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wow - you really believe you are psychic!  You can see into the words on an internet page and determine merely by the words what kind of person is typing them.  You must be overwhelmed with requests for your insider knowledge on this divine ability.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whether his patriotism is &quot;feigned&quot; or not, I don&#039;t feel that I&#039;m in a position to judge at this time.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So let me speculate - your psychic ability is limited to internet words.  You are incapable of  psychically informing us of Obama&#039;s patriotism by his actions.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe you aren&#039;t overwhelmed with requests after all.  My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle:<br />People like those associated with PUMA are more than disenchanted, they are embittered, although I suppose that if you looked the words up in a Thesaurus, they would be close in meaning.</p>
<p>Of course the quote &#8220;last refuge of scoundrels&#8221; has become such a commonplace of discourse that it hardly seems to warrant a citation. But if you like, I will mention here that it was apparently first uttered by Samuel Johnson.</p>
<p>I agree that Obama&#39;s donning of the flag lapel pin is the result of political calculation. And that paints both him with the brush of political disingenuousness. </p>
<p>Whether his patriotism is &#8220;feigned&#8221; or not, I don&#39;t feel that I&#39;m in a position to judge at this time. But I do dislike his apparent acceptance of the shallow patriotism commended by those who want to turn lapel pins into the equivalent of 1950s loyalty oaths.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>Mark Daniels</p>
<p>=========================================<br />People like those associated with PUMA are more than disenchanted, they are embittered, although I suppose that if you looked the words up in a Thesaurus, they would be close in meaning.</p>
<p>Wow &#8211; you really believe you are psychic!  You can see into the words on an internet page and determine merely by the words what kind of person is typing them.  You must be overwhelmed with requests for your insider knowledge on this divine ability.  </p>
<p>Whether his patriotism is &#8220;feigned&#8221; or not, I don&#39;t feel that I&#39;m in a position to judge at this time.    </p>
<p>So let me speculate &#8211; your psychic ability is limited to internet words.  You are incapable of  psychically informing us of Obama&#39;s patriotism by his actions.  </p>
<p>Maybe you aren&#39;t overwhelmed with requests after all.  My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: di54</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20853/patriotism-lapel-pins-and-barack-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-143867</link>
		<dc:creator>di54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you referring to his flipflops?</description>
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		<title>By: di54</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20853/patriotism-lapel-pins-and-barack-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-143866</link>
		<dc:creator>di54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Facebook friend, Amy Goldman, an embittered Hillary Clinton supporter... What an odd thing to say about a friend?   Amy is a dear friend of mine and she doesn&#039;t seem remotely bitter.  Amazing what conclusions one come to from mere words on an internet page.  Personally, I believe you owe Amy an apology.  A presidential candidate should be held to a higher level of scrutiny.  Seems to me that you are the one making a big deal out of flag pins - after all - you dedicated an entire article to it..  If you are going to quote someone - perhaps you could at least provide the entire quote - not just the part that you feel inclined to speculate on.  Give your readers the chance to make an unbiased conclusion.  As for the flag pin etc - Actions speak louder than words.  Figure it out for yourself.  I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Facebook friend, Amy Goldman, an embittered Hillary Clinton supporter&#8230; What an odd thing to say about a friend?   Amy is a dear friend of mine and she doesn&#39;t seem remotely bitter.  Amazing what conclusions one come to from mere words on an internet page.  Personally, I believe you owe Amy an apology.  A presidential candidate should be held to a higher level of scrutiny.  Seems to me that you are the one making a big deal out of flag pins &#8211; after all &#8211; you dedicated an entire article to it..  If you are going to quote someone &#8211; perhaps you could at least provide the entire quote &#8211; not just the part that you feel inclined to speculate on.  Give your readers the chance to make an unbiased conclusion.  As for the flag pin etc &#8211; Actions speak louder than words.  Figure it out for yourself.  I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton did not get more votes than Obama. Not unless you think that voting in a caucus isn&#039;t voting. And the DNC made it clear long ago what was going to happen to Michigan and Florida. In addition, when the bizarre twisting process that was the Texas primary/caucus combination was over Obama had more delegates and no one was to blame from the DNC it was all the people running the party in Texas and rules that were put in place long before Obama was even in the race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton did not get more votes than Obama. Not unless you think that voting in a caucus isn&#39;t voting. And the DNC made it clear long ago what was going to happen to Michigan and Florida. In addition, when the bizarre twisting process that was the Texas primary/caucus combination was over Obama had more delegates and no one was to blame from the DNC it was all the people running the party in Texas and rules that were put in place long before Obama was even in the race.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK....so I checked out PUMA and yes, they are simply about being bitter, vindictive and voting for McCain out of spite. Because when you check out McCain&#039;s stands on the vast majority of issues no one who can legitimately claim to be a Democrat can support them. Otherwise they would have been &quot;Democrats&quot; voting for Bush and every Republican who blindly supports him. It makes me think of someone in Texas who says they&#039;re a Democrat but they&#039;ve voted for Bush since he entered politics and vote enthusiastically for John Cornyn, Kay Bailey Hutchison and Don McLeroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;.so I checked out PUMA and yes, they are simply about being bitter, vindictive and voting for McCain out of spite. Because when you check out McCain&#39;s stands on the vast majority of issues no one who can legitimately claim to be a Democrat can support them. Otherwise they would have been &#8220;Democrats&#8221; voting for Bush and every Republican who blindly supports him. It makes me think of someone in Texas who says they&#39;re a Democrat but they&#39;ve voted for Bush since he entered politics and vote enthusiastically for John Cornyn, Kay Bailey Hutchison and Don McLeroy.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought the classic definition of patriotism was put forth by John Kennedy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ask not what your country can do for you but ask rather what you can do for your country.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another slap to his whinny liberal supporters that always got little attention was:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The world is not a fair place.  If you never expect to be treated fairly you&#039;ll never be disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought the classic definition of patriotism was put forth by John Kennedy</p>
<p>Ask not what your country can do for you but ask rather what you can do for your country.</p>
<p>Another slap to his whinny liberal supporters that always got little attention was:</p>
<p>The world is not a fair place.  If you never expect to be treated fairly you&#39;ll never be disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal_Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal_Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish it came from a Democrat...This is beautiful:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Today, politics is derided for its self-interest, combativeness, duplicity, and triviality. But such failings are not unique to our age. Both Adams and Jefferson lamented them in their own time.  But that’s the great beauty of our form of government, which they helped to create; it accounts for the vices of human nature as much as it hopes for our virtues. This blessed country remains a place of limitless horizons, a country where ideals, where a love of liberty and self-reliance still check the excesses of both government and man.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;     In return, the gift we can give back to our country is a patriotism that requires us to be good citizens in public office or in the community spaces where government is absent. We should, by all means, argue with each other, as did Adams and Jefferson, about the policies of government and the history we hope to make tomorrow. But it should be an argument among friends, who agree more than they disagree, each of us united in a cause larger than our individual interests, honestly debating the best means to serve that cause, and intent on finding some common ground upon which to overcome together the many challenges before us. To love one’s country is to love one’s countrymen. And if we are to replicate the spirit of our founding age, if we are to be genuine patriots, we must remember also that we are patriots because we love the countrymen we will never know, who will be born after we are gone. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/edition_07-06-2008/2Patriotism_McCain&quot;&gt;http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/ed...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish it came from a Democrat&#8230;This is beautiful:</p>
<p>&#8220;Today, politics is derided for its self-interest, combativeness, duplicity, and triviality. But such failings are not unique to our age. Both Adams and Jefferson lamented them in their own time.  But that’s the great beauty of our form of government, which they helped to create; it accounts for the vices of human nature as much as it hopes for our virtues. This blessed country remains a place of limitless horizons, a country where ideals, where a love of liberty and self-reliance still check the excesses of both government and man.    </p>
<p>     In return, the gift we can give back to our country is a patriotism that requires us to be good citizens in public office or in the community spaces where government is absent. We should, by all means, argue with each other, as did Adams and Jefferson, about the policies of government and the history we hope to make tomorrow. But it should be an argument among friends, who agree more than they disagree, each of us united in a cause larger than our individual interests, honestly debating the best means to serve that cause, and intent on finding some common ground upon which to overcome together the many challenges before us. To love one’s country is to love one’s countrymen. And if we are to replicate the spirit of our founding age, if we are to be genuine patriots, we must remember also that we are patriots because we love the countrymen we will never know, who will be born after we are gone. &#8220;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/edition_07-06-2008/2Patriotism_McCain"></a><a href="http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/ed.." rel="nofollow">http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2008/ed..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Referring to that class of Hillary supporters as embittered is not sexist except in their minds as they deny that they truly are simply embittered, unable to admit the many weaknesses that Senator Clinton displayed in her campaign. Every post I&#039;ve seen them make here and on other blogs simply confirms that fact over and over again. Even as they say that they just see the flaws in Senator Obama they inevitably phrase it in the most insulting manner possible, proving themselves worthy of places in the comment section of Powerlines or Redstate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>    Referring to that class of Hillary supporters as embittered is not sexist except in their minds as they deny that they truly are simply embittered, unable to admit the many weaknesses that Senator Clinton displayed in her campaign. Every post I&#39;ve seen them make here and on other blogs simply confirms that fact over and over again. Even as they say that they just see the flaws in Senator Obama they inevitably phrase it in the most insulting manner possible, proving themselves worthy of places in the comment section of Powerlines or Redstate.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawnag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawnag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Parade articles &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parade.com/features/mccain-obama-patriotism&quot;&gt;http://www.parade.com/features/mccain-obama-pat...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Parade articles <a href="http://www.parade.com/features/mccain-obama-patriotism"></a><a href="http://www.parade.com/features/mccain-obama-pat.." rel="nofollow">http://www.parade.com/features/mccain-obama-pat..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawnag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawnag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They&#039;re bitter regarding the ruling of the DNC on Michigan and Florida.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some, maybe; but I am more frustrated with the DNC allowing the media to run this primary more than anything; I am frustrated that the DNC did not do more during the Bush/Gore debacle ; I am frustrated the American people vote Bush back into office. As I stated, I am not bitter, I am frustrated... and I do not see Senator Obama as representing my values, views nor stance on issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; Its pretty obvious to those who are not enamored by Obama&#039;s mesmerizing speeches that he is not particulary patriotic ...&quot; For what Senator Obama views as patriotism he submitted a draft printed in the LA Times Parade section. Reading side by side Obama and McCains ideals of what patriotism is I am sorely disappointed in Obama. His draft is more about himself than America an he took it as a means of reiterating his stump speech. Such a shame when this really could have shed some light on his views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They&#39;re bitter regarding the ruling of the DNC on Michigan and Florida.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some, maybe; but I am more frustrated with the DNC allowing the media to run this primary more than anything; I am frustrated that the DNC did not do more during the Bush/Gore debacle ; I am frustrated the American people vote Bush back into office. As I stated, I am not bitter, I am frustrated&#8230; and I do not see Senator Obama as representing my values, views nor stance on issues.</p>
<p>&#8221; Its pretty obvious to those who are not enamored by Obama&#39;s mesmerizing speeches that he is not particulary patriotic &#8230;&#8221; For what Senator Obama views as patriotism he submitted a draft printed in the LA Times Parade section. Reading side by side Obama and McCains ideals of what patriotism is I am sorely disappointed in Obama. His draft is more about himself than America an he took it as a means of reiterating his stump speech. Such a shame when this really could have shed some light on his views.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they are bitter.  Hillary got more votes then did Obama.  Neither Campaigned in Florida or Michigan.  Yet Hillary got more votes by states that knew their votes would not count.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So in the end Hillary actually got more votes which during the entire process the Obama campaign kept pointing to the fact that Obama had more popular votes then did Hillary and thats why he should be the nominee.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The supers bought that reasoning.  One big flaw.  By the end of the process Hillary actually had a vote lead.....Not Obama.  Suddenly the spin coming from Obama was not popular votes but Delegates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;he had more delegates.  Granted.  But he did not have enough to win the nominaton so the spin then was Popular vote doesnt matter only who had more delegates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blah, blah, blah and so forth and so on.  Even the Obama campaign spun and spun and spun with the best of them to persuade the supers.  They did.  Now suddenly that same Obama who was so far left as to mirror Hillary who did not run from her record..................NOW Obama is suddenly flip flopping and moving to the center in a clear decption to those who voted on him for who he pretended to be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His judgment is in question.  He has no experience by his own admission and now his judgment seems to be lacking as well.  But oh well he can give a fancy speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they are bitter.  Hillary got more votes then did Obama.  Neither Campaigned in Florida or Michigan.  Yet Hillary got more votes by states that knew their votes would not count.</p>
<p>So in the end Hillary actually got more votes which during the entire process the Obama campaign kept pointing to the fact that Obama had more popular votes then did Hillary and thats why he should be the nominee.</p>
<p>The supers bought that reasoning.  One big flaw.  By the end of the process Hillary actually had a vote lead&#8230;..Not Obama.  Suddenly the spin coming from Obama was not popular votes but Delegates.</p>
<p>he had more delegates.  Granted.  But he did not have enough to win the nominaton so the spin then was Popular vote doesnt matter only who had more delegates.</p>
<p>Blah, blah, blah and so forth and so on.  Even the Obama campaign spun and spun and spun with the best of them to persuade the supers.  They did.  Now suddenly that same Obama who was so far left as to mirror Hillary who did not run from her record&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;NOW Obama is suddenly flip flopping and moving to the center in a clear decption to those who voted on him for who he pretended to be.</p>
<p>His judgment is in question.  He has no experience by his own admission and now his judgment seems to be lacking as well.  But oh well he can give a fancy speech.</p>
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		<title>By: mlhradio</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlhradio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, someone sure shook the stupid-tree and all the puma freaks fell to the ground in this discussion thread.  Sheesh.</description>
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		<title>By: bekklee</title>
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		<dc:creator>bekklee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea is that it&#039;s a combination of everything, not solely the flag pin. In order to form an educated opinion, the idea is to gather all the facts around you to do so. 1) BO refused to wear a flag pin and reacted defensively about it. 2) Many videos and photographs exist of Obama not putting his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance. Did he forget how to do it? 3) He belonged to a church for 20 years that spouted hate about America and the government. His spiritual advisor (BO&#039;s words) was the one screaming those hateful remarks about our country. 4) His wife remarked during the campaign (twice) that it was the first time in her adult life that she was proud of her country. All considered, it doesn&#039;t take a giant leap of faith to deduce that BO and his wife aren&#039;t fond of the country. The flag lapel pin is ONE THING in association with A NUMBER OF THINGS. People who don&#039;t see this have a problem with their deduction skills. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, to call Hillary supporters embittered is just a weapon they use. I&#039;m sure when women were fighting for the right to vote, they used the same or similar words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea is that it&#39;s a combination of everything, not solely the flag pin. In order to form an educated opinion, the idea is to gather all the facts around you to do so. 1) BO refused to wear a flag pin and reacted defensively about it. 2) Many videos and photographs exist of Obama not putting his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance. Did he forget how to do it? 3) He belonged to a church for 20 years that spouted hate about America and the government. His spiritual advisor (BO&#39;s words) was the one screaming those hateful remarks about our country. 4) His wife remarked during the campaign (twice) that it was the first time in her adult life that she was proud of her country. All considered, it doesn&#39;t take a giant leap of faith to deduce that BO and his wife aren&#39;t fond of the country. The flag lapel pin is ONE THING in association with A NUMBER OF THINGS. People who don&#39;t see this have a problem with their deduction skills. </p>
<p>Also, to call Hillary supporters embittered is just a weapon they use. I&#39;m sure when women were fighting for the right to vote, they used the same or similar words.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also lets not forget that Barak Obama was a memeber for 20 years to a church that blamed America for everything and essentially held America in disdain.  Its pretty obvious to those who are not enamored by Obama&#039;s mesmerizing speeches that he is not particulary patriotic and IT IS IN FACT his handlers who are demanding that he wear this pin and do the pledge etc. etc. in order to keep up the Facade of just who this UNKNOWN man is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also lets not forget that Barak Obama was a memeber for 20 years to a church that blamed America for everything and essentially held America in disdain.  Its pretty obvious to those who are not enamored by Obama&#39;s mesmerizing speeches that he is not particulary patriotic and IT IS IN FACT his handlers who are demanding that he wear this pin and do the pledge etc. etc. in order to keep up the Facade of just who this UNKNOWN man is.</p>
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		<title>By: MJDaniels53</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJDaniels53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly did not know that the term &quot;embittered&quot; had come to be seen as sexist. Had I known, I would have used a different term.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I do think that Clinton supporters, male and female, are bitter about what they regard as unfairness.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They&#039;re bitter regarding the ruling of the DNC on Michigan and Florida.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They&#039;re bitter about what they see as sexist dismissal of Senator Clinton by the media during the course of the campaign.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They&#039;re bitter over Senator Obama&#039;s &quot;get over it&quot; comment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The prime synonym for embittered listed in Roget&#039;s Thesaurus is resentful. Resentment and disenchantment aren&#039;t so terribly different from one another.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This wasn&#039;t a column about former Clinton supporters. The springboard was what one Clinton supporter I&#039;ve come to know and respect over on Facebook to the entire lapel pin controversy. The post was about lapel pins, patriotism, and Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Later last night, by the way, I did write about Obama&#039;s apparent flip flopping on this issue and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly did not know that the term &#8220;embittered&#8221; had come to be seen as sexist. Had I known, I would have used a different term.</p>
<p>However, I do think that Clinton supporters, male and female, are bitter about what they regard as unfairness.</p>
<p>They&#39;re bitter regarding the ruling of the DNC on Michigan and Florida.</p>
<p>They&#39;re bitter about what they see as sexist dismissal of Senator Clinton by the media during the course of the campaign.</p>
<p>They&#39;re bitter over Senator Obama&#39;s &#8220;get over it&#8221; comment.</p>
<p>The prime synonym for embittered listed in Roget&#39;s Thesaurus is resentful. Resentment and disenchantment aren&#39;t so terribly different from one another.</p>
<p>This wasn&#39;t a column about former Clinton supporters. The springboard was what one Clinton supporter I&#39;ve come to know and respect over on Facebook to the entire lapel pin controversy. The post was about lapel pins, patriotism, and Obama.</p>
<p>Later last night, by the way, I did write about Obama&#39;s apparent flip flopping on this issue and others.</p>
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		<title>By: laurenfhammond</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurenfhammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PUMA isn&#039;t about being bitter. It is about recognising that the patriotism issue that is being talked about here, is one element of an array of things that people are questioning Obama on. Embittered is a word that has negative connotations - suggesting that Hillary supporters are in denial and cannot accept that Obama stands as the democratic nominee - partly, based on the adjudication of the primaries, and the particular instances of cheating (Texas Caucus anyone?), and partly because he is the most incompetent candidate running - yes, bitter would be a good word.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PUMA members however are also doing this because we believe strongly that America needs a competent administration. What I find laughable is that people call the outcome of PUMA - supporting McCain - blind to the democratic values supported through Hillary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well tell me, does the realignment of Obama&#039;s stance on Iraq, FISA , abortion, offshore drilling, wiretapping and gay marriage (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri1.html?pagewanted=all&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri...&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;br&gt;scream democratic values to you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No I don&#039;t believe it does. So with Mr Latte Liberal self imploding and the unity supporters feeling slightly bashful that they really didn&#039;t know their candidate when they patronized me with the whole &#039;everyone should unite&#039; rhetoric, I am going to sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. - the ride that is, that will show exactly who Barack Obama is along the way. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whether or not he wears a flag pin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PUMA isn&#39;t about being bitter. It is about recognising that the patriotism issue that is being talked about here, is one element of an array of things that people are questioning Obama on. Embittered is a word that has negative connotations &#8211; suggesting that Hillary supporters are in denial and cannot accept that Obama stands as the democratic nominee &#8211; partly, based on the adjudication of the primaries, and the particular instances of cheating (Texas Caucus anyone?), and partly because he is the most incompetent candidate running &#8211; yes, bitter would be a good word.</p>
<p>PUMA members however are also doing this because we believe strongly that America needs a competent administration. What I find laughable is that people call the outcome of PUMA &#8211; supporting McCain &#8211; blind to the democratic values supported through Hillary.</p>
<p>Well tell me, does the realignment of Obama&#39;s stance on Iraq, FISA , abortion, offshore drilling, wiretapping and gay marriage (see <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri1.html?pagewanted=all"></a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri.." rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri..</a>.) <br />scream democratic values to you?</p>
<p>No I don&#39;t believe it does. So with Mr Latte Liberal self imploding and the unity supporters feeling slightly bashful that they really didn&#39;t know their candidate when they patronized me with the whole &#39;everyone should unite&#39; rhetoric, I am going to sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. &#8211; the ride that is, that will show exactly who Barack Obama is along the way. </p>
<p>Whether or not he wears a flag pin.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawnag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawnag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the whole lapel pin thing ridiculous; however, I do think that presidents and candidates for president should be held to higher standards than your average Joe. The Presidency is not an average job and requires more than an average person.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In addition, not all PUMA members are embittered. I joined PUMA out of a frustration with the whole political process over the last 8+ years (not simply because I don&#039;t like Bush) and a lack of true leadership and democratic process on the part of the Democratic Nation Party heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the whole lapel pin thing ridiculous; however, I do think that presidents and candidates for president should be held to higher standards than your average Joe. The Presidency is not an average job and requires more than an average person.</p>
<p>In addition, not all PUMA members are embittered. I joined PUMA out of a frustration with the whole political process over the last 8+ years (not simply because I don&#39;t like Bush) and a lack of true leadership and democratic process on the part of the Democratic Nation Party heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal_Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal_Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not nice to call people names.</description>
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