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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20838/israel-the-us-iran-and-nuclear-warheads/comment-page-1/#comment-146152</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Israel cannot depend on the US or other countries to protect it&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Holly, this makes me reflect not only on the fact about the US (it frequently sells Israel out; our current administrations and other administrations are either pro-oil-and-Arab [and -Iran is always there as well] at Israel&#039;s expense, as is the priority of Americans when it comes to oil security, or when lefties [inmates] run things, PC emerges from the moral and philosophical sewer and disdain to contempt to hatred for Israel surfaces).  No, our current oil-nation-preferring administration and sellout strategies (&quot;Road Map&quot; nonsense; stretching morality to the limit in dealing with Palestinian Arab authorities of all kinds)  and worse attitudes toward Israel in the UK and in Europe are not the only thing.  Israel is in worse shape still because it&#039;s so small and its smallness invites those with darker motives to be even more aggressive toward it.  A well-conventionally-armed combined Arab opposition to Israel could overrun that tiny nation; a WMD attack could promptly end its existence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ignorant users should realize that not only is Israel handicapped by PC and other leftist post-1960s degeneracy in the West (how transparent that the Left began hating Israel once the Arabs became aligned with the Soviet Union rather than with the USA), but it is a small nation and inherently weak because of its size.  Only the certifiably insane would deny nukes for Israel make sense, while only moral defectives would insist a nation with a government such as that of Iran has as much right to nukes as Israel.  (The latter must logically insist that mental patients and multiply convicted violent weapons-violating felons deserve as much right to have guns as normal, decent non-criminal people.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Israel is in a situation, as one book I own describes, as the Czechs faced in the 1930s (they were expendable to the larger powers in order to maintain peace and appease Hitler), or as Finland faced against the Soviet Union (&quot;Leningrad is now in range of your artillery.  Leningrad can&#039;t be moved, so the border must be moved&quot;), or Poland, which was re-engineered and much of its eastern land given to the Soviets as World War II concluded.  Israel has to be able to rely on itself; it will be constantly tested by larger, more aggressive nations and it cannot rely on other nations, who may consider it expendable or troublesome to the other nations&#039; objectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Israel cannot depend on the US or other countries to protect it&#8221;</p>
<p>Holly, this makes me reflect not only on the fact about the US (it frequently sells Israel out; our current administrations and other administrations are either pro-oil-and-Arab [and -Iran is always there as well] at Israel&#39;s expense, as is the priority of Americans when it comes to oil security, or when lefties [inmates] run things, PC emerges from the moral and philosophical sewer and disdain to contempt to hatred for Israel surfaces).  No, our current oil-nation-preferring administration and sellout strategies (&#8220;Road Map&#8221; nonsense; stretching morality to the limit in dealing with Palestinian Arab authorities of all kinds)  and worse attitudes toward Israel in the UK and in Europe are not the only thing.  Israel is in worse shape still because it&#39;s so small and its smallness invites those with darker motives to be even more aggressive toward it.  A well-conventionally-armed combined Arab opposition to Israel could overrun that tiny nation; a WMD attack could promptly end its existence.</p>
<p>Ignorant users should realize that not only is Israel handicapped by PC and other leftist post-1960s degeneracy in the West (how transparent that the Left began hating Israel once the Arabs became aligned with the Soviet Union rather than with the USA), but it is a small nation and inherently weak because of its size.  Only the certifiably insane would deny nukes for Israel make sense, while only moral defectives would insist a nation with a government such as that of Iran has as much right to nukes as Israel.  (The latter must logically insist that mental patients and multiply convicted violent weapons-violating felons deserve as much right to have guns as normal, decent non-criminal people.)</p>
<p>Israel is in a situation, as one book I own describes, as the Czechs faced in the 1930s (they were expendable to the larger powers in order to maintain peace and appease Hitler), or as Finland faced against the Soviet Union (&#8220;Leningrad is now in range of your artillery.  Leningrad can&#39;t be moved, so the border must be moved&#8221;), or Poland, which was re-engineered and much of its eastern land given to the Soviets as World War II concluded.  Israel has to be able to rely on itself; it will be constantly tested by larger, more aggressive nations and it cannot rely on other nations, who may consider it expendable or troublesome to the other nations&#39; objectives.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doing nothing while Iran continues working on nuclear weapons, or even more so, knowing this and insisting that Iran be able to continue such work, is the true stupidity here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As well as routine US- and Israel-bashing.  It&#039;s no surprise in today&#039;s PC degenerate world, and obviously  there must be a lower half of the bell curve to house such bashing and those who bash, but it is tiresome as well as stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing nothing while Iran continues working on nuclear weapons, or even more so, knowing this and insisting that Iran be able to continue such work, is the true stupidity here.</p>
<p>As well as routine US- and Israel-bashing.  It&#39;s no surprise in today&#39;s PC degenerate world, and obviously  there must be a lower half of the bell curve to house such bashing and those who bash, but it is tiresome as well as stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many people who are involved with Israel&#039;s security overvalue the efficacy of tmilitary actions and understate the consequences.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As has been demonstrated in Iraq and Lebanon, someitmes there is no simple military solution, or it can backfire.  One has to be ready to accept the consequences , and the consequences might pose a greater threat than the original.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, we have to understand that often those who see military action as salvation are acting out of deep fear, both current and historical. There are real reasons for the fear, it isn&#039;t a product of imagination, and  fear as a motivator shouldn&#039;t be underestiamted.  The question is, instead, how to deal with the fear.&lt;br&gt; ,&lt;br&gt;If the US were doing a better job as an ally, it wouldn&#039;t just pander to fear but would help Israel to see things more realistically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many people who are involved with Israel&#39;s security overvalue the efficacy of tmilitary actions and understate the consequences.  </p>
<p>As has been demonstrated in Iraq and Lebanon, someitmes there is no simple military solution, or it can backfire.  One has to be ready to accept the consequences , and the consequences might pose a greater threat than the original.  </p>
<p>However, we have to understand that often those who see military action as salvation are acting out of deep fear, both current and historical. There are real reasons for the fear, it isn&#39;t a product of imagination, and  fear as a motivator shouldn&#39;t be underestiamted.  The question is, instead, how to deal with the fear.<br /> ,<br />If the US were doing a better job as an ally, it wouldn&#39;t just pander to fear but would help Israel to see things more realistically.</p>
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		<title>By: usa china</title>
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		<dc:creator>usa china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Loviatar</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great column by Brij on the current situation in the middle east and the threats Israel will face if it attacks Iran.  After reading it I wondered what TMV&#039;s local neo-con (Holly in Cincinnati) would focus on once she had read the piece. And as expected she ignored everything Brij said regarding the turmoil and danger that would be caused by Israel if the attacked Iran and focused on Israel&#039;s &lt;b&gt;grave&lt;/b&gt; danger if it is attacked by a third world military (maybe second world if you stretched it).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the neo-con mindset, you cannot discuss any situation regarding Israel rationally with them; it is always a zero-sum circumstance with regards to Israel. In their mind Israel is always one step away from destruction (no matter its first world military, nuclear weapons, close American ally, strong economy, etc.) so any comments or discussions that hints at making an accommodation with Israel’s opponents is always seen as capitulation and is then met with threats and sometimes acts of violence against these opponents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We must break ourselves from this mindset, we must ignore these people when they come out the woodwork with their intemperate railings and proclamations, we must understand that the do not have our country&#039;s best wishes at hand.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What we must understand is that sometimes what is best for Israel is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; good for America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great column by Brij on the current situation in the middle east and the threats Israel will face if it attacks Iran.  After reading it I wondered what TMV&#39;s local neo-con (Holly in Cincinnati) would focus on once she had read the piece. And as expected she ignored everything Brij said regarding the turmoil and danger that would be caused by Israel if the attacked Iran and focused on Israel&#39;s <b>grave</b> danger if it is attacked by a third world military (maybe second world if you stretched it).</p>
<p>This is the neo-con mindset, you cannot discuss any situation regarding Israel rationally with them; it is always a zero-sum circumstance with regards to Israel. In their mind Israel is always one step away from destruction (no matter its first world military, nuclear weapons, close American ally, strong economy, etc.) so any comments or discussions that hints at making an accommodation with Israel’s opponents is always seen as capitulation and is then met with threats and sometimes acts of violence against these opponents.</p>
<p>We must break ourselves from this mindset, we must ignore these people when they come out the woodwork with their intemperate railings and proclamations, we must understand that the do not have our country&#39;s best wishes at hand.</p>
<p>What we must understand is that sometimes what is best for Israel is <b>not</b> good for America.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What stupidity. Iran is at least 10 years away from a nuke, but could use NON-weapons grade material against Israel TODAY. Strike their reactors and they probably will.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish everyone would calm down. 10 years is a very long time. Not so long ago, China was &quot;the yellow peril&quot; that was going to take over SE Asia. Now, they&#039;re our biggest CAPITALIST competitor and &quot;most favored nation&quot; trading partner. Time is on our side.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will we forever prepare for the last war instead of the next? The least likely scenario with ANY Middle Eastern country is that they will build an ICBM to attack us. Don&#039;t we get it yet? Box cutters are sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What stupidity. Iran is at least 10 years away from a nuke, but could use NON-weapons grade material against Israel TODAY. Strike their reactors and they probably will.</p>
<p>I wish everyone would calm down. 10 years is a very long time. Not so long ago, China was &#8220;the yellow peril&#8221; that was going to take over SE Asia. Now, they&#39;re our biggest CAPITALIST competitor and &#8220;most favored nation&#8221; trading partner. Time is on our side.</p>
<p>Will we forever prepare for the last war instead of the next? The least likely scenario with ANY Middle Eastern country is that they will build an ICBM to attack us. Don&#39;t we get it yet? Box cutters are sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: ff11</title>
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		<dc:creator>ff11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News flash: Israel DOES depend on the US to protect it and the US does a damned fine job.  By the way, attacking Iran will certainly ensure a reprisal that will not only result in the destruction of Israel&#039;s own nuclear facilities, but it will drag us into yet another war we don&#039;t need to be in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News flash: Israel DOES depend on the US to protect it and the US does a damned fine job.  By the way, attacking Iran will certainly ensure a reprisal that will not only result in the destruction of Israel&#39;s own nuclear facilities, but it will drag us into yet another war we don&#39;t need to be in.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly_in_Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly_in_Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Iran (as it has repeatedly threatened) strikes Israel, approximately 50 percent of the Jews in the world will be killed. No sane person or government should permit this to occur. Since Israel cannot depend on the US or other countries to protect it, a pre-emptive strike on Iran&#039;s nuclear facilities may be necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Iran (as it has repeatedly threatened) strikes Israel, approximately 50 percent of the Jews in the world will be killed. No sane person or government should permit this to occur. Since Israel cannot depend on the US or other countries to protect it, a pre-emptive strike on Iran&#39;s nuclear facilities may be necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh. the prelude to &quot;October Surprise&quot;...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The GOP have this thing choreographed..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve heard it said that if you&#039;re going to deceive someone, you should make the prank so outrageous, so hard to believe it is you, that people will dismiss the idea without further consideration.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Say goodbye to the Whitehouse Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh. the prelude to &#8220;October Surprise&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>The GOP have this thing choreographed..</p>
<p>I&#39;ve heard it said that if you&#39;re going to deceive someone, you should make the prank so outrageous, so hard to believe it is you, that people will dismiss the idea without further consideration.</p>
<p>Say goodbye to the Whitehouse Obama.</p>
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