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Posted by PETE ABEL, Managing Editor in At TMV.
Jul 1st, 2008 | Comments

BooMan wants the blogosphere (espcially the progressive blogosphere) to “grow up.” From his conclusion:

Barack Obama doesn’t want to discuss John McCain’s military service. It is not a narrative that benefits him. He doesn’t want his allies gratuitously attacking the military and its generals. That is not an association that helps him. It’s nothing personal. It’s strictly politics. And if your ego gets bruised everytime the candidate stiff-arms an off message progressive, you best get into another line of work.

It’s a great post, all around, making the “Best of the Blogs” list this morning at RCP. And, in many ways, it echoes TMV’s own Shaun Mullen (or vice versa, or both).

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runasim

Hurrah for BooMan's post.

Many of those commenting on the post are refusing to grow up, however.

It's been a shock to discover what passes for ''progressve' these days.
To them, a fight over a bush is more important than a fight over a forest. and they will not be deterred from their fanaticism even as the forest burns to ashes..

ChrisWWW

Obama is ceding that McCain is better fit to make military decisions because he was in the military. He'll pay dearly for that.

runasim

"Obama is ceding that McCain is better fit to make military decisions because he was in the military. He'll pay dearly for that."

???????
He is ceding only that some things shoulnd't be used for political attacks.

This not only fits in wiht his 'above the fray' brand, but it's samrt politiclaly.
McCain is going to get credit for his record, no matter what. Why fight a losing battle and be tarnished by it?

DLS

"It's been a shock to discover what passes for ''progressive' these days."

Many of us haven't been shocked or surprised by those misappropriating that word.

ChrisWWW

He is ceding only that some things shoulnd't be used for political attacks.

If what Clark said counts as an "attack" then the bar has really been lowered.

McCain is going to get credit for his record, no matter what.

I'm sure that's what John Kerry thought.

Neocon

By the time the dust settles from the lefts smear machine John McCain will be a war criminal who killed women and children and danced on their graves.

After all we know Bush is Hitler. Cheney Is Longshanks. The flaming and the absolute character assassination they gave Hillary and Bill Clinton during the Primaries to win at all costs aint nothing compared to what they will do during the general to John McCain.

ChrisWWW

Neocon,
I guess you haven't been paying attention to how the GOP/Media just turned Gen. Wesley Clark into a demon in less than 24 hours.

Don Quijote

By the time the dust settles from the lefts smear machine John McCain will be a war criminal who killed women and children and danced on their graves.

Puffing up John McCain, POW
In the fall of 1967 McCain was flying bombing runs over North Vietnam from the U.S.S. Oriskany, an aircraft carrier in the South China Sea. On October 26, the 31-year-old pilot was part of a 20-plane squadron assigned to destroy infrastructure in the North Vietnamese capital. He flew his A-4 Skyhawk over downtown Hanoi toward his target, a power plant. As he pulled up after releasing his bombs, his fighter jet was hit by a surface-to-air missile. A wing came off. McCain’s plane plunged into Truc Bach Lake.
...
“I am a war criminal,” McCain said on “60 Minutes” in 1997. “I bombed innocent women and children.” Although it came too late to save the Vietnamese he’d killed 30 years earlier, it was a brave statement. Nevertheless, he smiles agreeably as he hears himself described as a “war hero” as he arrives at rallies in a bus marked “No Surrender.”

You don't need a left smear machine, he admits to being one.

ChrisWWW

Well.. at least he didn't dance on their graves?

Neocon

Get my point Chris??

Don Quijote

Well.. at least he didn't dance on their graves?

No, he just used them as stepping stones to the Senate and now to the White House.

Pete Abel

Don_Quijote -- I'd like to see that purpored 60 Minutes "confession" validated, if it's even true. It may be true, but I have trouble accepting it as such from one, seemingly biased source.

Neocon

Yep the swiftboaters have arrived and are focusing in directly on John McCain.

Well I have always said. What goes around comes around in DC politics. Get ready John McCain. The pubs did it to Kerry, and now the dems are going to do it to you.

Don Quijote

Excerpt from McCain interview on 60 minutes, October 1997

WALLACE: (Voiceover) People who know McCain well say he can hold a grudge. He also has a legendary temper. But if McCain can be hard on his friends and even harder on his enemies, he can also be very hard on himself.

Sen. McCAIN: I m--made serious, serious mistakes and did things wrong when I was in prison, OK?

WALLACE: What did you do wrong in prison?

Sen. McCAIN: I wrote a confession. I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children.

WALLACE: And you did it because you were being tortured...

Sen. McCAIN: I...

WALLACE: ...and you'd reached the end of the line.

Sen. McCAIN: Yes. But I should have gone further. I should have--I--I never believed that I would--that I would break, and I did.

Neocon

Lord almighty

A confession under torture. I thought the far left was convinced that torture did not reveal reliable information.

SUPER JOB DON. You have now convinced us all that Torture works because we know that McCain confessed the truth under torture.

A side note every link you provide seems beyond dubious.

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