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Memo To MoveOn: Tone It Down Or Move On

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I don’t suffer fools gladly, so I kept MoveOn at arm’s length in 2004 and 2006, but after the General Betrayus ad controversy last year finally concluded that these trash talking and tone deaf so-called progressives are bound to do more harm than good as Barack Obama leads the charge to end the Republican hegemony in Washington.

And so it was gratifying when the presumptive Democratic nominee gently but necessarily chided MoveOn in his speech on patriotism yesterday in saying:

“[S]ome of those in the so-called counter-culture of the Sixties reacted not merely by criticizing particular government policies, but by attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases, the very idea, of America itself – by burning flags; by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world; and perhaps most tragically, by failing to honor those veterans coming home from Vietnam, something that remains a national shame to this day. And yet the anger and turmoil of that period never entirely drained away. All too often our politics still seems trapped in these old, threadbare arguments – a fact most evident during our recent debates about the war in Iraq, when those who opposed administration policy were tagged by some as unpatriotic, and a general providing his best counsel on how to move forward in Iraq was accused of betrayal.”

Taking MoveOn to task does not come easily. I cut my social activist teeth in the late 60s and understood that while Students For a Democratic Society and some other groups could be off message and self absorbed, they were integral to fighting the good fight.

So is MoveOn. Indeed, I am not asking that it get with Obama’s program. Independent voices are more important than ever in this era of homogenized politics. But if MoveOn is determined to trample on Obama’s message because he is not sufficiently leftist and unwilling to jump through its hoops, then its stridency will not only be a negative force but a reliable punching bag for the right-of-center punditocracy, and the last thing Obama needs are surrogates who make things more difficult.

A final thought: Some MoveOn activists see themselves as the reincarnation of the Vietnam antiwar movement, but as someone who was in the midst of that movement, this is a bad joke and they’re the last people in the room to get it.

These adolescents have been notably unsuccessful in fashioning a cogent message, in part because they keep stepping on their willies when it comes to addressing the ancillary issue of terrorism, and opposition to the Iraq war has grown slowly but steadily without their help.

IT NEEDED TO BE SAID

While we’re kind of on the subject, former General Wesley Clark’s view that John McCain’s POW experience doesn’t automatically translate into him being prime commander in chief material has been widely criticized, taken out of context and otherwise flogged as being inappropriate.

It is in fact highly appropriate given McCain’s blindered view of Iraq and his willingness to bomb first and talk later when it comes to Iran. Too bad that Clark’s remarks have kind of upstaged Obama’s patriotism speech and the candidate himself does not approve of them, but they were a much needed pushback against the archaic and platitude driven views of what constitutes patriotism for too many Americans.

  • Neocon
    The problem that Obama faces as do all Politicians is that a group such as Moveon.org is very powerful, has a lot of money and can do a lot of damage if you piss them off. Thus the kid gloves treatment to a group that are fringe morons.

    Yet I give them credit. As Thomas Jefferson wrote:A little rebellion now and then is a good thing . . . . God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

    I am hoping that we are going thru our 20 years and this will end soon.
  • Don Quijote
    Memo To SHAUN MULLEN: Get over it

    If you moderates had stood up to the right-wing nuts, and not rolled over like bunch of whipped dogs, we would not exist as an organization.
  • aba23
    The post is spot on. MoveOn should be MoveOn--it should call out the hypocrisies of a Congress that (to some extent) was elected to bring responsibility to the conduct of the misbegotten war, and few would disagree that the Patraeus testimony was much more than theater to provide political cover for congresspeople of all stripes to cut the administration more slack, again. They rightly asked the general to speak truth to power but reasonably believed he would dutifully read from the administration's script. (Of course, his testimony contained an assortment of truths, half-truths, misrepresentations, and some things
    less defensible and may well have been sincere.)

    Nevertheless, I dissociated with MoveOn early last fall when I noticed how often they were adopting attack-Republican tactics rather than sticking to actual advocacy for causes. The left is left and the right, right and that is all to the good--a multiplicity of voices is necessary to a vibrant democracy. A politician's role--particularly on the national stage--is different. The ardent left should come to grips that ANY Democratic party standard bearer must strive for something a bit more inclusive, a bit more communitarian, a bit more productive--you know, like a president of a country ought to be expected to. (The same goes for the right.) Our egos are getting in the way of effective government.
  • DAMOZEL
    MoveOn's gibe at Petraeus was uncivil. Worse, it was lame.

    But it was political dissent. It is sufficient for Obama to say, 'I don't agree with the substance of what they said' without getting it mixed up with patriotism.

    If MoveOn believed that Petraeus wasn't credible as a witness on progress on Iraq, those people had every right --- some might even say, the obligation--- to question his credibility.. But to frame it as a 'betrayal' was a ridiculous exaggeration, and the lame rhyme made them seem fatuous.

    I am disturbed that issues of civility got mixed up in Obama's speech with whether it's patriotic to challenge the credibility of a presidential employee. The right succeeded in framing it this way, but I cannot agree.

    RE: Clark, I disagree on this point as well.

    I have trouble with it as a tactic not because I disagree with Clark, but because it distracts from the message that McCain --- whatever his credentials --- has got it wrong. Obama might NOT win in a battle of credentials, but he certainly can challenge McCain's premises, rip apart his policies, and show people why his own plan is much better. His plan IS better. People need to hear why.

    Experience is useful, but not if the ideas are all wrong.

    Obama is a brilliant and persuasive speaker. If he can't persuade people that McCain's policies track views that are proven failures, I don't know who can. He can win the war of ideas if he stays on track.
  • Marlowecan
    Damozel rejoins said: "He can win the war of ideas if he stays on track."

    True, Obama is the most disciplined national Democratic candidate in anyone's memory. He can certainly remain on track.

    But Shaun's post is spot on! There is a potential for the MoveOn/Code Pink & Co. to derail the Obama Express.

    Progressive Left parties in a number of other countries seem to take an obscure pleasure in Noble Failure and ideological purity above all things.

    "to trample on Obama’s message because he is not sufficiently leftist and unwilling to jump through its hoops, then its stridency will not only be a negative force but a reliable punching bag for the right-of-center punditocracy"

    Very very true. No matter how disciplined or smart Obama is...the GOP can always run against the Looney Left. Thatcher did it brilliantly in the UK...and for some reason, the Looney Left loved its role there...undermining Labour and attacking Thatcher, and then enjoying complaining about the "Thatcher Police State".

    It is amazing to see in recent days the Left undermining the finest candidate the Democratic Party has produced in years. Perhaps MoveOn really wants a McCain presidency?
  • runasim
    Marlowecan

    I share the sentiments of this:

    "It is amazing to see in recent days the Left undermining the finest candidate the Democratic Party has produced in years. Perhaps MoveOn really wants a McCain presidency?"
  • runasim
    Damozel,

    Here's waht happened.
    1. Obama gave a great speech
    2. He said somehitng you disagree with (but with which I agree.)

    What accounts for your focus on what's wrong with Obama, instead of what's right with Obama in the speech ?
    What accounts for your defense of MoveOn above your praise for Obama?
  • DLS
    All McCain needs to do is to show commercials with Obama speaking and Move-On-sign-holding nut cases* marching and shouting and it's "Vote For McCain. He's Safe and Sane."

    * and International ANSWER -- the kinds of people who during the Vietnam war would be the fine folks at places like Berkeley who sent the Viet Cong some care packages; I'm surprised they haven't sent such packages to "the insurgents" these days in Iraq

    * and Michael Moore, etc.
  • Don Quijote
    MoveOn's gibe at Petraeus was uncivil. Worse, it was lame.


    Cause swift-boating John Kerry wasn't uncivil, and accusing Max Cleland Cleland, a decorated veteran and triple amputee of being unpatriotic isn't uncivil.

    What goes around comes around...
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