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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20720/the-many-reversals-of-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-138779</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damozel.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Post away, but I hope you realize that not every Democrat  is on the same spot on the Left-Right- scale.  I am much more centrist than many who call themselves progresssives these days.  While I usually share their goals, I often don&#039;t like their tactics.&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s because I&#039;m pragmatic.  It&#039;s one thing to have goals and ideals,but it&#039;s another to implement them and to take responsibility for the consequnces. &lt;br&gt;ONLY criticizing, (someone called it  &#039;hammering&#039;) doesn&#039;t get the job done, and if it did, at what price?  Those are things I take seriously  &lt;br&gt;Not that I&#039;m shy about  criticizing, but I do try to put it in a broader context, at least if my temper is under control.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll look forward to your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damozel.</p>
<p>Post away, but I hope you realize that not every Democrat  is on the same spot on the Left-Right- scale.  I am much more centrist than many who call themselves progresssives these days.  While I usually share their goals, I often don&#39;t like their tactics.<br />That&#39;s because I&#39;m pragmatic.  It&#39;s one thing to have goals and ideals,but it&#39;s another to implement them and to take responsibility for the consequnces. <br />ONLY criticizing, (someone called it  &#39;hammering&#39;) doesn&#39;t get the job done, and if it did, at what price?  Those are things I take seriously  <br />Not that I&#39;m shy about  criticizing, but I do try to put it in a broader context, at least if my temper is under control.</p>
<p>I&#39;ll look forward to your posts.</p>
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		<title>By: test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Many Reversals of John McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Many Reversals of John McCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many Reversals of John McCain    AJStrata wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptYet, today, McCain says bluntly right [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DAMOZEL</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20720/the-many-reversals-of-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-138778</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMOZEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is someone I used to admire.  I know his record much better than Obama&#039;s. He has back-pedalled from every principled stand he has ever taken.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I wanted to draw a contrast.  Obama is tacking center-wards out of what I consider to be a mistaken belief that he must do so  to win.  If I criticize Obama --- and I will --- it will be to add my voice to the number seeking to remind him of the wishes of the supporters he can count on and to suggest that perhaps he shouldn&#039;t work so hard at avoiding criticism from the likes of Fox News.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mentioned my disagreement with him on certain points to preempt the argument &#039;but Obama flip-flops too!&#039;  McCain&#039;s blatant pandering has received far too little attention.  People assumed that this is what he MUST do to attract the people on the right who used to hate him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want Obama to follow the example of John Kerry or Al Gore or indeed Bill Clinton.   I am so tired of Democrats who won&#039;t stand up for a liberal agenda.  Maybe it&#039;s the only way to win --- I get that.  But I wonder if Dems wouldn&#039;t do better if they didn&#039;t concentrate on explaining that their objectives are a necessary corrective to Bush.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So you&#039;ll probably see me continuing to criticize Obama when he tracks what I consider to be GOP talking points.  I don&#039;t expect him to be a &#039;far left progressive,&#039; but I do hope to see him stand up for civil liberties, an energy policy that takes account of the environment and the threat of global warming, and a war policy that is designed to repudiate unilateral actions or preemptive war.  When he&#039;s criticized for being &#039;soft&#039; on national security, I&#039;d like to hear him say:  &#039;You&#039;re mistaken about what is required for national security.  Here&#039;s how I plan to do it differently AND why my approach is better.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would like to see a Democratic landslide.  Obama&#039;s focus groups may indicate that it&#039;s not politically expedient, but I&#039;d like to see him offer a clear alternative to more of what we&#039;ve had for the last eight years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain is someone I used to admire.  I know his record much better than Obama&#39;s. He has back-pedalled from every principled stand he has ever taken.  </p>
<p>So I wanted to draw a contrast.  Obama is tacking center-wards out of what I consider to be a mistaken belief that he must do so  to win.  If I criticize Obama &#8212; and I will &#8212; it will be to add my voice to the number seeking to remind him of the wishes of the supporters he can count on and to suggest that perhaps he shouldn&#39;t work so hard at avoiding criticism from the likes of Fox News.  </p>
<p>I mentioned my disagreement with him on certain points to preempt the argument &#39;but Obama flip-flops too!&#39;  McCain&#39;s blatant pandering has received far too little attention.  People assumed that this is what he MUST do to attract the people on the right who used to hate him.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t want Obama to follow the example of John Kerry or Al Gore or indeed Bill Clinton.   I am so tired of Democrats who won&#39;t stand up for a liberal agenda.  Maybe it&#39;s the only way to win &#8212; I get that.  But I wonder if Dems wouldn&#39;t do better if they didn&#39;t concentrate on explaining that their objectives are a necessary corrective to Bush.  </p>
<p>So you&#39;ll probably see me continuing to criticize Obama when he tracks what I consider to be GOP talking points.  I don&#39;t expect him to be a &#39;far left progressive,&#39; but I do hope to see him stand up for civil liberties, an energy policy that takes account of the environment and the threat of global warming, and a war policy that is designed to repudiate unilateral actions or preemptive war.  When he&#39;s criticized for being &#39;soft&#39; on national security, I&#39;d like to hear him say:  &#39;You&#39;re mistaken about what is required for national security.  Here&#39;s how I plan to do it differently AND why my approach is better.&#39;</p>
<p>I would like to see a Democratic landslide.  Obama&#39;s focus groups may indicate that it&#39;s not politically expedient, but I&#39;d like to see him offer a clear alternative to more of what we&#39;ve had for the last eight years.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damozel,&lt;br&gt;Maybe I&#039;m just politics bruised. and over-reacted. .&lt;br&gt;The intro to your post put me off, so I didn&#039;t even read the whole thing through., just a glance. That&#039;s inexcusable, of course.  Mea culpa.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really don&#039;t put that much faith in any of these flip-flop stories, whether it&#039;s about Obama or McCain or anyone else. &lt;br&gt;I think it can be a credit to someone who recognizes he was wrong or circumstances have changed, and - changes his mind&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the same time, political expediency and pandering  undeniably play a role.&lt;br&gt;I just don&#039;t want to jump to blanket conclusions - about anybody.  &lt;br&gt;That&#039;s why I end up defending people I have no intention of voting for, sometimes,, and at other times refuse to condemn on the basis of the latest headline or blog post.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tend to hold back and watch where someone is going instead of judging the quality of every step he takes. &lt;br&gt;At other times still, I get carried away, and break my own rules.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Post away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damozel,<br />Maybe I&#39;m just politics bruised. and over-reacted. .<br />The intro to your post put me off, so I didn&#39;t even read the whole thing through., just a glance. That&#39;s inexcusable, of course.  Mea culpa.</p>
<p>I really don&#39;t put that much faith in any of these flip-flop stories, whether it&#39;s about Obama or McCain or anyone else. <br />I think it can be a credit to someone who recognizes he was wrong or circumstances have changed, and &#8211; changes his mind</p>
<p>At the same time, political expediency and pandering  undeniably play a role.<br />I just don&#39;t want to jump to blanket conclusions &#8211; about anybody.  <br />That&#39;s why I end up defending people I have no intention of voting for, sometimes,, and at other times refuse to condemn on the basis of the latest headline or blog post.  </p>
<p>I tend to hold back and watch where someone is going instead of judging the quality of every step he takes. <br />At other times still, I get carried away, and break my own rules.  </p>
<p>Post away!</p>
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		<title>By: DAMOZEL</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20720/the-many-reversals-of-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-138773</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMOZEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.   I am an Obama supporter.  Doesn&#039;t mean that I don&#039;t intend to call him out when he reverses himself.  I will be doing that on a regular basis, so see above.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note:  one paragraph re: Obama&#039;s reversals weighed against one long paragraph about McCain&#039;s.  I&#039;m trying to get Dems who don&#039;t support him (because they&#039;re still bitter) to see why they should.   But as I said above, feel free to skip them, especially if you&#039;re already a True Believer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.   I am an Obama supporter.  Doesn&#39;t mean that I don&#39;t intend to call him out when he reverses himself.  I will be doing that on a regular basis, so see above.  </p>
<p>Note:  one paragraph re: Obama&#39;s reversals weighed against one long paragraph about McCain&#39;s.  I&#39;m trying to get Dems who don&#39;t support him (because they&#39;re still bitter) to see why they should.   But as I said above, feel free to skip them, especially if you&#39;re already a True Believer.</p>
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		<title>By: DAMOZEL</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20720/the-many-reversals-of-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-138770</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMOZEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RUNASIM:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please feel free to skip my posts in future.  I swear I won&#039;t mind.</description>
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<p>Please feel free to skip my posts in future.  I swear I won&#39;t mind.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20720/the-many-reversals-of-john-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-138768</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Water has just been turned into wine, and a post about McCain has turned into anoher rant anout what&#039;s wrong with Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I never thought I&#039;d see an example of boring and an example of destructive in the same article.&lt;br&gt;Miracles do happen, I see.  Was it Dodd &#039;s divine hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water has just been turned into wine, and a post about McCain has turned into anoher rant anout what&#39;s wrong with Obama.</p>
<p>I never thought I&#39;d see an example of boring and an example of destructive in the same article.<br />Miracles do happen, I see.  Was it Dodd &#39;s divine hand?</p>
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