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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20678/sexing-up-political-candidates-akin-to-sex-and-the-city/comment-page-1/#comment-136881</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Runasim - TOTALLY agree with your last graph.  And I&#039;ve written before that I think in failing to get the nomination, Clinton&#039;s legacy will far surpass her husbands, both in influence and longevity.  I see her only becoming stronger and I hope that she does not take on the role of VP.  She can get a lot more accomplished in other roles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Runasim &#8211; TOTALLY agree with your last graph.  And I&#39;ve written before that I think in failing to get the nomination, Clinton&#39;s legacy will far surpass her husbands, both in influence and longevity.  I see her only becoming stronger and I hope that she does not take on the role of VP.  She can get a lot more accomplished in other roles.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMZ,&lt;br&gt;Perhaps I would be more hopeful if I hadn&#039;t just witnessed the Dem. primaries.&lt;br&gt;The headline was so positive (a woman and a black man as candidates), but the reaction was, in so many ways, apalling!   I feel bruised by the whole experience, and in so many different ways, that I probably need to recover (after the elections) before I can get a better perspective.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right now, it&#039;s hard to get an accurate reading as to which voices predominate in  the  babble of voices of the people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will say this:  the next woman (or the next minority person) won&#039;t need to be a first, and will benefit from that.  We all owe a debt of gratitude to Hillary and Barack for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMZ,<br />Perhaps I would be more hopeful if I hadn&#39;t just witnessed the Dem. primaries.<br />The headline was so positive (a woman and a black man as candidates), but the reaction was, in so many ways, apalling!   I feel bruised by the whole experience, and in so many different ways, that I probably need to recover (after the elections) before I can get a better perspective.</p>
<p>Right now, it&#39;s hard to get an accurate reading as to which voices predominate in  the  babble of voices of the people.</p>
<p>I will say this:  the next woman (or the next minority person) won&#39;t need to be a first, and will benefit from that.  We all owe a debt of gratitude to Hillary and Barack for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human Folly - I&#039;ll hold you to that if I run for something, so be prepared. :) Thanks for writing a very lucid argument for this position. It&#039;s nuanced and that is a hard thing to sell sometimes but I think you succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human Folly &#8211; I&#39;ll hold you to that if I run for something, so be prepared. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for writing a very lucid argument for this position. It&#39;s nuanced and that is a hard thing to sell sometimes but I think you succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome, Jill.</description>
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		<title>By: HumanFolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>HumanFolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill - thanks again for sharing this with your readers, much appreciated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Roro80 - I completely see your POV - politicking to the materialistic isn&#039;t going to do well with union workers, you are completely right. But part of the protective wrapping of the Presidency is the dream that goes along with it - it&#039;s not trying to embrace a stiletto or a designer suit to say, &#039;I&#039;m above you, I have loads of cash and you don&#039;t&quot; - its about celebrating the various ways that women can be defined as successful. Sure, a gucci purse might send the wrong message - but what about a spread in Vanity Fair that has a Q&amp;A with a female political candidate and a female fashion designer and a female sports star? How about they all interview each other as powerful women all faces many different challenges and politics, but then perhaps many of the same. I come at this idea from a marketing perspective as well - so by embracing powerful imagery that already resonates with so many people, I feel that it can only help a candidate in my mind...:)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Runasim - totally understand your point - yes, politics and elections should one day be decided without leaning on gender, race, disability, etc. But, unfortunately, I really don&#039;t think that is the case, yet. Someday, I hope it is truly a level playing field, equal access for all, but with only 16 women senators - well, we just aren&#039;t there yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;VWCat - i think you really summed up the piece - so thanks! LOL and also, part of the reason I decided to use SATC as an inspiration is because it does send those messages to women: love thy self. I mean sometimes it&#039;s even excessive in the series; but I think that when it comes down to it people watched the show and went to see the movie not to evangelize over some hollywood character, but to feel good about themselves and that&#039;s all I want from a female politician.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m loving this discussion with you all - thanks for reading. And Jill - I&#039;m sure we can find many advantages to show off for you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill &#8211; thanks again for sharing this with your readers, much appreciated.</p>
<p>Roro80 &#8211; I completely see your POV &#8211; politicking to the materialistic isn&#39;t going to do well with union workers, you are completely right. But part of the protective wrapping of the Presidency is the dream that goes along with it &#8211; it&#39;s not trying to embrace a stiletto or a designer suit to say, &#39;I&#39;m above you, I have loads of cash and you don&#39;t&#8221; &#8211; its about celebrating the various ways that women can be defined as successful. Sure, a gucci purse might send the wrong message &#8211; but what about a spread in Vanity Fair that has a Q&#038;A with a female political candidate and a female fashion designer and a female sports star? How about they all interview each other as powerful women all faces many different challenges and politics, but then perhaps many of the same. I come at this idea from a marketing perspective as well &#8211; so by embracing powerful imagery that already resonates with so many people, I feel that it can only help a candidate in my mind&#8230;:)</p>
<p>Runasim &#8211; totally understand your point &#8211; yes, politics and elections should one day be decided without leaning on gender, race, disability, etc. But, unfortunately, I really don&#39;t think that is the case, yet. Someday, I hope it is truly a level playing field, equal access for all, but with only 16 women senators &#8211; well, we just aren&#39;t there yet.</p>
<p>VWCat &#8211; i think you really summed up the piece &#8211; so thanks! LOL and also, part of the reason I decided to use SATC as an inspiration is because it does send those messages to women: love thy self. I mean sometimes it&#39;s even excessive in the series; but I think that when it comes down to it people watched the show and went to see the movie not to evangelize over some hollywood character, but to feel good about themselves and that&#39;s all I want from a female politician.</p>
<p>I&#39;m loving this discussion with you all &#8211; thanks for reading. And Jill &#8211; I&#39;m sure we can find many advantages to show off for you <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VWCat - Precisely.  And I appreciate you pointing out the sexing up of Obama by the media.  There&#039;s no question - the media plays an enormous role, but we do have some control over how people interpret what they see and hear in the media.  And I think the readers/consumers influence in saying that the media isn&#039;t getting it right or isn&#039;t doing us any favors is increasing, in large part due to the Internet - we can express ourselves and it&#039;s out there for the media to read, if they choose.  Their failure to know what we think as we express those thoughts in blogs etc. will only end up making them sound even more out of step and more as though they&#039;re trying to push imagery that we don&#039;t buy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VWCat &#8211; Precisely.  And I appreciate you pointing out the sexing up of Obama by the media.  There&#39;s no question &#8211; the media plays an enormous role, but we do have some control over how people interpret what they see and hear in the media.  And I think the readers/consumers influence in saying that the media isn&#39;t getting it right or isn&#39;t doing us any favors is increasing, in large part due to the Internet &#8211; we can express ourselves and it&#39;s out there for the media to read, if they choose.  Their failure to know what we think as we express those thoughts in blogs etc. will only end up making them sound even more out of step and more as though they&#39;re trying to push imagery that we don&#39;t buy.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: powerful women</title>
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		<dc:creator>powerful women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nedeau of New Media Strategies and Human Folly, ???Could A Little ???Sex??? Help Female Political Cahttp://themoderatevoice.com/religion/ideologies/feminism/20678/sexing-up-political-candidates-akin-t...Women rock The Manila TimesWomen rule rock climbing. Agile, powerful and yet lithesome, women scale [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nedeau of New Media Strategies and Human Folly, ???Could A Little ???Sex??? Help Female Political Cahttp://themoderatevoice.com/religion/ideologies/feminism/20678/sexing-up-political-candidates-akin-t&#8230;Women rock The Manila TimesWomen rule rock climbing. Agile, powerful and yet lithesome, women scale [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vwcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>vwcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What many failed to see, still do, especially Hillary&#039;s supporters, is how much the media tried to make a shallow sex symbol of Obama.  Remember the stealth pic of him in the ocean with his daughters?&lt;br&gt;But, I do in a way agree that Hillary should have celebrated being a woman instead of bemoaning it.&lt;br&gt;The most powerful woman in America is Nancy Pelosi.  A 68 year old grandmother who wears designer suits and always looks like a million bucks.  She is not ever taken less serious or seen as shallow.  But, it is nice to see a powerful woman not afraid to embrace her femininity.  And she looks great and is inspiring to women.&lt;br&gt;To deny your gender and then cry sexism or bemoan your sex is only making things worse.&lt;br&gt;When you accept your gender and celebrate it and not ashamed of it, you become less of a target.  &lt;br&gt;I am not saying to dress as a sex kitten.  I am saying accept and love who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What many failed to see, still do, especially Hillary&#39;s supporters, is how much the media tried to make a shallow sex symbol of Obama.  Remember the stealth pic of him in the ocean with his daughters?<br />But, I do in a way agree that Hillary should have celebrated being a woman instead of bemoaning it.<br />The most powerful woman in America is Nancy Pelosi.  A 68 year old grandmother who wears designer suits and always looks like a million bucks.  She is not ever taken less serious or seen as shallow.  But, it is nice to see a powerful woman not afraid to embrace her femininity.  And she looks great and is inspiring to women.<br />To deny your gender and then cry sexism or bemoan your sex is only making things worse.<br />When you accept your gender and celebrate it and not ashamed of it, you become less of a target.  <br />I am not saying to dress as a sex kitten.  I am saying accept and love who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Runasim - I think the move to move away from that decry/insist thing (which I agree exists to some extent but maybe less than you might think it does), started a long time ago and the Dem primary and now the general campaigns show it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree - gender is irrelevant to the red phone response, but this post deals mostly with campaigning.  Would you agree that campaigning and governing are two different activities, or at least only overlap in some areas?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes - it would have to be someone very special - but then, I believe our president always should be someone special. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Runasim &#8211; I think the move to move away from that decry/insist thing (which I agree exists to some extent but maybe less than you might think it does), started a long time ago and the Dem primary and now the general campaigns show it.</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; gender is irrelevant to the red phone response, but this post deals mostly with campaigning.  Would you agree that campaigning and governing are two different activities, or at least only overlap in some areas?</p>
<p>And yes &#8211; it would have to be someone very special &#8211; but then, I believe our president always should be someone special. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  &lt;br&gt;When thinking  about someone answering the red phone, I don&#039;t think we want to stop to consider the gender of the one picking up the receiver.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Americans have a great deal of trouble accepting candidates as people, as it is.&lt;br&gt;Crying by either a male of a femalte, for example, is always &#039;unacceptable&#039;. While we decry stereotypes, we also insist on them.  &lt;br&gt;The American publlic evolves at a snail&#039;s pace, and . I&#039;m not sure how far out of the stone age we are, in some respects.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would have to be a very special woman, walking on egg shells in combat boots and a sexy T, to break that glass ceiling..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know.  <br />When thinking  about someone answering the red phone, I don&#39;t think we want to stop to consider the gender of the one picking up the receiver.</p>
<p>Americans have a great deal of trouble accepting candidates as people, as it is.<br />Crying by either a male of a femalte, for example, is always &#39;unacceptable&#39;. While we decry stereotypes, we also insist on them.  <br />The American publlic evolves at a snail&#39;s pace, and . I&#39;m not sure how far out of the stone age we are, in some respects.</p>
<p>It would have to be a very special woman, walking on egg shells in combat boots and a sexy T, to break that glass ceiling..</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely true: &quot;Eh...like any woman is going to be able to please everyone anyway -- too masculine, too feminine, ah I saw her cleavage, what about the pantsuits, big thighs, cackling laughter -- all women, even those running for office, need to figure out where lies their personal line between being everything to everyone and just being themselves.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would seriously need people to tell me just what ARE my advantages as a woman at my age! lol Because with only a couple of obvious elements, I would be clueless AND uncomfortable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No question that just as microtargeting involves understand all kinds of clues and messaging, adding &quot;gender&quot; to the list of things to think about when you&#039;re putting yourself together as the package known as The Candidate will require understanding what the audience thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely true: &#8220;Eh&#8230;like any woman is going to be able to please everyone anyway &#8212; too masculine, too feminine, ah I saw her cleavage, what about the pantsuits, big thighs, cackling laughter &#8212; all women, even those running for office, need to figure out where lies their personal line between being everything to everyone and just being themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would seriously need people to tell me just what ARE my advantages as a woman at my age! lol Because with only a couple of obvious elements, I would be clueless AND uncomfortable.</p>
<p>No question that just as microtargeting involves understand all kinds of clues and messaging, adding &#8220;gender&#8221; to the list of things to think about when you&#39;re putting yourself together as the package known as The Candidate will require understanding what the audience thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS - I am so not going to ask you about that. But thank you - I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS &#8211; I am so not going to ask you about that. But thank you &#8211; I think.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see some potential for a candidate to embrace their femininity more that HRC, but it would have to be a woman that actually enjoys the more aesthetic pleasures in the first place.  Stillettos and a designer outfit would not have worked for her, as she probably finds such things pretty unimportant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And can you imagine the reaction of the blue collar guys who make up part of her base?  She may have gotten the sorority girl vote, but I don&#039;t think primping up with an $400 Gucci bag would have played too well to the union workers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Eh...like any woman is going to be able to please everyone anyway -- too masculine, too feminine, ah I saw her cleavage, what about the pantsuits, big thighs, cackling laughter -- all women, even those running for office, need to figure out where lies their personal line between being everything to everyone and just being themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see some potential for a candidate to embrace their femininity more that HRC, but it would have to be a woman that actually enjoys the more aesthetic pleasures in the first place.  Stillettos and a designer outfit would not have worked for her, as she probably finds such things pretty unimportant.</p>
<p>And can you imagine the reaction of the blue collar guys who make up part of her base?  She may have gotten the sorority girl vote, but I don&#39;t think primping up with an $400 Gucci bag would have played too well to the union workers.</p>
<p>Eh&#8230;like any woman is going to be able to please everyone anyway &#8212; too masculine, too feminine, ah I saw her cleavage, what about the pantsuits, big thighs, cackling laughter &#8212; all women, even those running for office, need to figure out where lies their personal line between being everything to everyone and just being themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not the photograph we&#039;re hoping to see.</description>
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