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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143815</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you go by original intent-- the 2cnd amendment only protects gun owners rights as part of a militia. Citizens were never intended to stockpile weapons in their homes.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They were certainly intended to be able to have weapons in their homes, which hardly would constitute &quot;stockpiles.&quot;  The right to keep and bear arms (addressed separately in the Amendment, in a separate clause) is an individual right; this is a fact, not an opinion.  The reference to the militia is the rationale (among others) chosen for the &quot;why.&quot;  (It is language similar to that used by state governments at the time.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those who wrote and ratified the words are those who define their meaning.  Despite decades of doing it, liberal activists have never been able _legitimately_ to say that nowadays the word &quot;red,&quot; or other words used in its place whose meaning is fully understood from the context, such as &quot;crimson&quot; or &quot;scarlet,&quot; now means green.  You make such statements every day, because it&#039;s what you prefer, but it is not correct and it is not right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This ruling was refreshing common sense as well as obviously correct.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note the nature of the negative reactions to it, and of those who object to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you go by original intent&#8211; the 2cnd amendment only protects gun owners rights as part of a militia. Citizens were never intended to stockpile weapons in their homes.&#8221;</p>
<p>They were certainly intended to be able to have weapons in their homes, which hardly would constitute &#8220;stockpiles.&#8221;  The right to keep and bear arms (addressed separately in the Amendment, in a separate clause) is an individual right; this is a fact, not an opinion.  The reference to the militia is the rationale (among others) chosen for the &#8220;why.&#8221;  (It is language similar to that used by state governments at the time.)</p>
<p>Those who wrote and ratified the words are those who define their meaning.  Despite decades of doing it, liberal activists have never been able _legitimately_ to say that nowadays the word &#8220;red,&#8221; or other words used in its place whose meaning is fully understood from the context, such as &#8220;crimson&#8221; or &#8220;scarlet,&#8221; now means green.  You make such statements every day, because it&#39;s what you prefer, but it is not correct and it is not right.</p>
<p>This ruling was refreshing common sense as well as obviously correct.</p>
<p>Note the nature of the negative reactions to it, and of those who object to it!</p>
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		<title>By: nicrivera</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143814</link>
		<dc:creator>nicrivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic: The right to bear arms has always been an INDIVIDUAL right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Runasim: Yes, it has - in the opinion of some people...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nic: Yep...those &quot;some people&quot; being the ones that wrote the U.S. Constitution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re entitled to your own set opinions but not your own set of facts.  The Framers of the Constitution fully intended the Second Amendment to be an INDIVIDUAL right, not a COLLECTIVE right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic: The right to bear arms has always been an INDIVIDUAL right.</p>
<p>Runasim: Yes, it has &#8211; in the opinion of some people&#8230;</p>
<p>Nic: Yep&#8230;those &#8220;some people&#8221; being the ones that wrote the U.S. Constitution.</p>
<p>You&#39;re entitled to your own set opinions but not your own set of facts.  The Framers of the Constitution fully intended the Second Amendment to be an INDIVIDUAL right, not a COLLECTIVE right.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143813</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go by original intent-- the 2cnd amendment only protects gun owners rights as part of a militia. Citizens were never intended to stockpile weapons in their homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go by original intent&#8211; the 2cnd amendment only protects gun owners rights as part of a militia. Citizens were never intended to stockpile weapons in their homes.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143812</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The right to bear arms has always been an INDIVIDUAL right &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, it has - in the opinion of some people, but others interpret the amendment differently..  The intent is what t the debate has been about, and stating it as fact does not make it so. &lt;br&gt;Today&#039;s&#039; decision was a 5-4 OPINION , not an affirmation of fact, but an expression of majority opinion..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To state this as if it were fact is to assume a mindset like that of fundamentlist Christians for whom their interpretation of the Bible  is also fact.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What  is most troubling is that the decision was reached on an ideologically abstract plane, without a moment&#039;s regard for the citizens of  D.C or how this decision would affect them.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How many of those happy with this decision would welcome the SC coming  to their neighborhood to tell them how to live?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I, for one one, don&#039;t welcome the increase in such callous attitudes and miss the days when consideration for others and their views had not yet gone out of style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The right to bear arms has always been an INDIVIDUAL right &#8220;</p>
<p>Yes, it has &#8211; in the opinion of some people, but others interpret the amendment differently..  The intent is what t the debate has been about, and stating it as fact does not make it so. <br />Today&#39;s&#39; decision was a 5-4 OPINION , not an affirmation of fact, but an expression of majority opinion..</p>
<p>To state this as if it were fact is to assume a mindset like that of fundamentlist Christians for whom their interpretation of the Bible  is also fact.</p>
<p>What  is most troubling is that the decision was reached on an ideologically abstract plane, without a moment&#39;s regard for the citizens of  D.C or how this decision would affect them.  </p>
<p>How many of those happy with this decision would welcome the SC coming  to their neighborhood to tell them how to live?  </p>
<p>I, for one one, don&#39;t welcome the increase in such callous attitudes and miss the days when consideration for others and their views had not yet gone out of style.</p>
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		<title>By: KYJurisDoctor</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143811</link>
		<dc:creator>KYJurisDoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The D. C. gun case is an EXCELLENT opinion from the High Court! &lt;a href=&quot;http://OsiSpeaks.com&quot;&gt;OsiSpeaks.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The D. C. gun case is an EXCELLENT opinion from the High Court! <a href="http://OsiSpeaks.com">OsiSpeaks.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Obama truly believes that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, then why doesn&#039;t he come out and say that he supports the Supreme Court ruling? &quot;&lt;br&gt;-------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He did do exactly that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The question about limitations, on this, as on any right, is still open.&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re not ttalking about absolute,any time, anyone, any weapon,  rigths, much as the NRA would like to have us think so. &lt;br&gt;Refer to the ruling for a clear statement on that. &lt;br&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Obama truly believes that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, then why doesn&#39;t he come out and say that he supports the Supreme Court ruling? &#8220;<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>He did do exactly that.</p>
<p>The question about limitations, on this, as on any right, is still open.<br />We&#39;re not ttalking about absolute,any time, anyone, any weapon,  rigths, much as the NRA would like to have us think so. <br />Refer to the ruling for a clear statement on that. <br />.</p>
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		<title>By: sh0ter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143809</link>
		<dc:creator>sh0ter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well to me he did come out in support of the ruling. Expecting reasonable limitations is within the spirit of the ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to me he did come out in support of the ruling. Expecting reasonable limitations is within the spirit of the ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: nicrivera</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20657/supreme-court-roundup-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-143808</link>
		<dc:creator>nicrivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a rare day that I side with Justice Scalia (whose &quot;strict&quot; interpretation of the Constitution has been inconsistent at best), but I&#039;m in agreement with him on this particular issue.  The right to bear arms has always been an INDIVIDUAL right (the same way freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of assembly are), and for Justice Stephens to argue that the Second Amendment only applies to militias is completely at odds with what the Founding Fathers intended.  Even Alexander Hamilton (who was arguably the most &quot;pro-centralized government&quot; of the founding fathers) understood that the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s &quot;position&quot; strikes me as a non-position.  He responded to the ruling with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_guns&quot;&gt;following statement&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through commonsense, effective safety measures.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The D.C. gun ban wasn&#039;t simply a modest form of regulation intending to keep guns out of the hands of criminals...It was an outright gun that effectively deprived every person living in D.C. of their Second Amendment right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Obama truly believes that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, then why doesn&#039;t he come out and say that he supports the Supreme Court ruling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s a rare day that I side with Justice Scalia (whose &#8220;strict&#8221; interpretation of the Constitution has been inconsistent at best), but I&#39;m in agreement with him on this particular issue.  The right to bear arms has always been an INDIVIDUAL right (the same way freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of assembly are), and for Justice Stephens to argue that the Second Amendment only applies to militias is completely at odds with what the Founding Fathers intended.  Even Alexander Hamilton (who was arguably the most &#8220;pro-centralized government&#8221; of the founding fathers) understood that the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right.</p>
<p>Obama&#39;s &#8220;position&#8221; strikes me as a non-position.  He responded to the ruling with the <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_guns">following statement</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through commonsense, effective safety measures.</p></blockquote>
<p>The D.C. gun ban wasn&#39;t simply a modest form of regulation intending to keep guns out of the hands of criminals&#8230;It was an outright gun that effectively deprived every person living in D.C. of their Second Amendment right.</p>
<p>If Obama truly believes that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, then why doesn&#39;t he come out and say that he supports the Supreme Court ruling?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s shocking is that four Justices would dissent from the Second Amendment ruling.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What kind of justices would Obama and McCain prefer and promote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s shocking is that four Justices would dissent from the Second Amendment ruling.</p>
<p>What kind of justices would Obama and McCain prefer and promote?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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