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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20568/the-realities-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-129396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PattonGuy wins a cookie.  And that&#039;s all I was trying to point out in the post. We&#039;re not talking about the truth or logic of the ad. That&#039;s not how it&#039;s built. It&#039;s an emotional appeal to the protective instincts of mothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PattonGuy wins a cookie.  And that&#39;s all I was trying to point out in the post. We&#39;re not talking about the truth or logic of the ad. That&#39;s not how it&#39;s built. It&#39;s an emotional appeal to the protective instincts of mothers.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20568/the-realities-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-129393</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is something to get emotional about, it&#039;s people dying in an unnecessary war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is something to get emotional about, it&#39;s people dying in an unnecessary war.</p>
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		<title>By: PattonGuy</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20568/the-realities-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-129391</link>
		<dc:creator>PattonGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what some people are missing here is this: Since when are emotions rational?  Ads like this are meant to hijack the emotional reflexes, in this case, a protective one, of all of those parents out there.  In other words, for at least some people it will bypass the logic centers and go straight to built-in reflexes.  Who wants their kid in a coffin, really?  Do you really think everyone who sees it will stop and reason logically through the facts of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what some people are missing here is this: Since when are emotions rational?  Ads like this are meant to hijack the emotional reflexes, in this case, a protective one, of all of those parents out there.  In other words, for at least some people it will bypass the logic centers and go straight to built-in reflexes.  Who wants their kid in a coffin, really?  Do you really think everyone who sees it will stop and reason logically through the facts of it?</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On advertising as a marketing technique in general, I&#039;m an irrational revolutionary.&lt;br&gt;I hate it!  Irrationally, emotionally, I hate it!  (Sorry, Jazz)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hate it because it&#039;s based on manipulation.  Advertisers would make a case to blind people for buying reading glasses, if they could get away with it. I hate the sell-no-matter what  mentality.  How many salesmen would  walk away from a chance to sell a doghouse to someone who owns no such animal?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hate the clutter in my life provided by constant appeals to buy something, vote for someone, hate someone, love someone else, believe something , disbelieve (is this a real word?)  something else. &lt;br&gt;I hate not being able to walk in the city, without every available space being plastered with these appeals.  TV ads, website ads, salesmen at he door and on my phone.  &lt;br&gt;Give me a little  private space for just conducting my life, please.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Okay, I feel better now, and I&#039;m open to compromise.again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On advertising as a marketing technique in general, I&#39;m an irrational revolutionary.<br />I hate it!  Irrationally, emotionally, I hate it!  (Sorry, Jazz)</p>
<p>I hate it because it&#39;s based on manipulation.  Advertisers would make a case to blind people for buying reading glasses, if they could get away with it. I hate the sell-no-matter what  mentality.  How many salesmen would  walk away from a chance to sell a doghouse to someone who owns no such animal?</p>
<p>I hate the clutter in my life provided by constant appeals to buy something, vote for someone, hate someone, love someone else, believe something , disbelieve (is this a real word?)  something else. <br />I hate not being able to walk in the city, without every available space being plastered with these appeals.  TV ads, website ads, salesmen at he door and on my phone.  <br />Give me a little  private space for just conducting my life, please.</p>
<p>Okay, I feel better now, and I&#39;m open to compromise.again.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20568/the-realities-of-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-129389</link>
		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now quoting McCain verbatim is &quot;distorting&quot; his statement?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Should we wait to judge his statements from now on until they have been &lt;em&gt;Liebermanized&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now quoting McCain verbatim is &#8220;distorting&#8221; his statement?</p>
<p>Should we wait to judge his statements from now on until they have been <em>Liebermanized</em></p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of soldiers who did one or two tours in Iraq and want to come home, but of course they can&#039;t.  And what about the National Guardsmen, many of whom probably wanted to serve their country by helping here at home, in the event of an emergency, rather than being shipped overseas in a war of choice?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s bogus for McCain or Kristol or anyone else for that matter to talk about staying in Iraq for 100 years to maintain the peace.  I think most people would agree that if the presence of US troops in a non-hostile situaiton could help maintain peace and order in a region, and were welcomed to that region, then we should go.  But the fact is that we are in a war in Iraq, that McCain supported and has said numerous times that we are winning.  Certainly there may be some recent reduction in violence, but we&#039;re still mired there.  So until McCain comes up with a plan to actually win the war, rather than prolong the agony we&#039;re in- with occasional advances, but also set-backs, then he (nor anyone else) can talk about Iraq like it&#039;s a peacful situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of soldiers who did one or two tours in Iraq and want to come home, but of course they can&#39;t.  And what about the National Guardsmen, many of whom probably wanted to serve their country by helping here at home, in the event of an emergency, rather than being shipped overseas in a war of choice?</p>
<p>It&#39;s bogus for McCain or Kristol or anyone else for that matter to talk about staying in Iraq for 100 years to maintain the peace.  I think most people would agree that if the presence of US troops in a non-hostile situaiton could help maintain peace and order in a region, and were welcomed to that region, then we should go.  But the fact is that we are in a war in Iraq, that McCain supported and has said numerous times that we are winning.  Certainly there may be some recent reduction in violence, but we&#39;re still mired there.  So until McCain comes up with a plan to actually win the war, rather than prolong the agony we&#39;re in- with occasional advances, but also set-backs, then he (nor anyone else) can talk about Iraq like it&#39;s a peacful situation.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...understand what McCain meant by his 100 year comment&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve never heard him outline a scenario for withdrawal under any circumstances. McCain wants us to stay if things are great in Iraq, and he doesn&#039;t want us to leave if things continue to be awful. So where&#039;s the misrepresentation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;understand what McCain meant by his 100 year comment</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#39;ve never heard him outline a scenario for withdrawal under any circumstances. McCain wants us to stay if things are great in Iraq, and he doesn&#39;t want us to leave if things continue to be awful. So where&#39;s the misrepresentation?</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little amused by the complaints about this advertisement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a commercial: of course it&#039;s spin!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s another example of spin: Opinion pieces published in a newspaper.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if it&#039;s by William Kristol.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if it&#039;s in the New York Times.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where I wrote the word &quot;even&quot; you might want to substitute the word &quot;especially&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Caveat emptor, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m a little amused by the complaints about this advertisement.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a commercial: of course it&#39;s spin!!</p>
<p>Here&#39;s another example of spin: Opinion pieces published in a newspaper.</p>
<p>Even if it&#39;s by William Kristol.</p>
<p>Even if it&#39;s in the New York Times.</p>
<p>Where I wrote the word &#8220;even&#8221; you might want to substitute the word &#8220;especially&#8221;.</p>
<p>Caveat emptor, people.</p>
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		<title>By: Aquater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aquater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potfry is right.  Besides, the so-called realities of advertising are irrelevant to any concerns of ethical value.  They also can be perceived differently by different individuals or groups.  That certain ads occur as a fact is no excuse to tolerate their occurrence or to endorse them simply because of the fact that they have occurred.  The argument from &quot;is&quot; to &quot;ought&quot; is a naturalistic fallacy and this I thought should be known to any thoughtful and well-informed person.  The article displays no understanding of this.  The patent distortion of McCain&#039;s hundred year comment is enough to indict the ad in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potfry is right.  Besides, the so-called realities of advertising are irrelevant to any concerns of ethical value.  They also can be perceived differently by different individuals or groups.  That certain ads occur as a fact is no excuse to tolerate their occurrence or to endorse them simply because of the fact that they have occurred.  The argument from &#8220;is&#8221; to &#8220;ought&#8221; is a naturalistic fallacy and this I thought should be known to any thoughtful and well-informed person.  The article displays no understanding of this.  The patent distortion of McCain&#39;s hundred year comment is enough to indict the ad in question.</p>
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		<title>By: mwp</title>
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		<dc:creator>mwp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristol says it&#039;s bogus because, among other things:&lt;br&gt;&quot;- McCain couldn’t make Alex serve anyway because we have an all volunteer army.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what? I know several parents whose children are in Iraq or Afghanistan who wish their children had not made that choice. If this were a commercial to support legislation against tobacco companies advertising to children and the mother said &quot;you won&#039;t get my kid&quot; would that be bogus just because the child would have to choose to smoke in order to become an addict? As a parent of children, I have no problem with wanting to reduce the number of (from my point of view) bad, self-destructive, and dangerous choices my kids might make when they&#039;re too young to know better. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The military seems like a good option to lots of young people graduating from high school and wondering how they&#039;re going to make their way in the world. It&#039;s especially seductive because 18 year olds tend to be pretty confident of their immortality. I find McCain&#039;s commitment to the military and an expansive foreign policy presents a danger to my children. It&#039;s one of many reasons I&#039;ll vote against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristol says it&#39;s bogus because, among other things:<br />&#8220;- McCain couldn’t make Alex serve anyway because we have an all volunteer army.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what? I know several parents whose children are in Iraq or Afghanistan who wish their children had not made that choice. If this were a commercial to support legislation against tobacco companies advertising to children and the mother said &#8220;you won&#39;t get my kid&#8221; would that be bogus just because the child would have to choose to smoke in order to become an addict? As a parent of children, I have no problem with wanting to reduce the number of (from my point of view) bad, self-destructive, and dangerous choices my kids might make when they&#39;re too young to know better. </p>
<p>The military seems like a good option to lots of young people graduating from high school and wondering how they&#39;re going to make their way in the world. It&#39;s especially seductive because 18 year olds tend to be pretty confident of their immortality. I find McCain&#39;s commitment to the military and an expansive foreign policy presents a danger to my children. It&#39;s one of many reasons I&#39;ll vote against him.</p>
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		<title>By: Potfry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Potfry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?  You&#039;re in marketing, and you offer that analysis?   Don&#039;t quit your blogging job.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The ad harkens back to a day when consumers were not sophisticated enough to see through maudlin nonsense.  That&#039;s simply not the case today, and as a marketing person, you should know that.  You believe her voice breaking is compelling when in reality it will create more eyerolls than sniffles.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You see, people are willing to accept emotion when they believe the factual underpinnings.  There are none in this ad, as Kristol points out.  And the folks that the ad needs to impact-- blue collar Democrats, independents-- understand what McCain meant by his 100 year comment, and understand that there is no conscription.   The ad, therefore, relies on deception to be believable, and there&#039;s nothing worse than a consumer who feels that someone&#039;s treating them like a naive idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  You&#39;re in marketing, and you offer that analysis?   Don&#39;t quit your blogging job.</p>
<p>The ad harkens back to a day when consumers were not sophisticated enough to see through maudlin nonsense.  That&#39;s simply not the case today, and as a marketing person, you should know that.  You believe her voice breaking is compelling when in reality it will create more eyerolls than sniffles.  </p>
<p>You see, people are willing to accept emotion when they believe the factual underpinnings.  There are none in this ad, as Kristol points out.  And the folks that the ad needs to impact&#8211; blue collar Democrats, independents&#8211; understand what McCain meant by his 100 year comment, and understand that there is no conscription.   The ad, therefore, relies on deception to be believable, and there&#39;s nothing worse than a consumer who feels that someone&#39;s treating them like a naive idiot.</p>
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