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	<title>Comments on: Zimbabwe Elections Collapse</title>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20556/zimbabwe-elections-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-142514</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannonshop is right, Zimbabwe is not our creation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US has been in the business of selective condemnations, though, and it doesn&#039;t look good when we condemn some but hold hands with others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that realpolitik is often the only workable methodology, but being more even-handed in just providing lip-service, if nothing more, would make us more credible.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Without laying direct blame, it is fair to observe that democracy is not &#039;on the rise&#039; very substantially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannonshop is right, Zimbabwe is not our creation.</p>
<p>The US has been in the business of selective condemnations, though, and it doesn&#39;t look good when we condemn some but hold hands with others.</p>
<p>I believe that realpolitik is often the only workable methodology, but being more even-handed in just providing lip-service, if nothing more, would make us more credible.  </p>
<p>Without laying direct blame, it is fair to observe that democracy is not &#39;on the rise&#39; very substantially.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20556/zimbabwe-elections-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-142510</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, Cannonshop.  I was addressing Bush&#039;s oft-repeated goal of spreading democracy around the world and how hollow Bush&#039;s comments are.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your comment is great and I appreciate the distinction- thanks for reminding us that the US isn&#039;t the only country that&#039;s created problems and, more to your point, these countries bear a certain responsibility.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think there should be any military intervention by the US (or any country) into a sovereign nation with the goal being regime change so democracy and freedom spreads.  It&#039;s a path the citizens of those countries must take themselves or else we&#039;ll end up like we are in Iraq- as unwelcome occupiers.  But that&#039;s not to say that we can&#039;t nudge and encourage the citizens of those countries to live to their potential- whether through better education, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, Cannonshop.  I was addressing Bush&#39;s oft-repeated goal of spreading democracy around the world and how hollow Bush&#39;s comments are.</p>
<p>Your comment is great and I appreciate the distinction- thanks for reminding us that the US isn&#39;t the only country that&#39;s created problems and, more to your point, these countries bear a certain responsibility.  </p>
<p>I don&#39;t think there should be any military intervention by the US (or any country) into a sovereign nation with the goal being regime change so democracy and freedom spreads.  It&#39;s a path the citizens of those countries must take themselves or else we&#39;ll end up like we are in Iraq- as unwelcome occupiers.  But that&#39;s not to say that we can&#39;t nudge and encourage the citizens of those countries to live to their potential- whether through better education, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannonshop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannonshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike Noriega or Saddam, Mugabe isn&#039;t a creation of  U.S. cold-war policies or CIA support.  If anything, he&#039;s a creation of Soviet foreign policy, and not our fault.  Being as removing Dictators needs SOME KIND of measurable requirement or we&#039;d be sending the Marines into Cuba and Venezuela(which has oil!), along with Darfur, Myanmar, North Korea...  The apparent measure seems to be &quot;Did we Create him or keep him in power when we knew what kind of monster he was?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mugabe isn&#039;t a creature of the American cold-war policy machine.  If ANY western nation should be seriously considering intervention in Zimbabwe, it&#039;s britain, not the U.S..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Noriega or Saddam, Mugabe isn&#39;t a creation of  U.S. cold-war policies or CIA support.  If anything, he&#39;s a creation of Soviet foreign policy, and not our fault.  Being as removing Dictators needs SOME KIND of measurable requirement or we&#39;d be sending the Marines into Cuba and Venezuela(which has oil!), along with Darfur, Myanmar, North Korea&#8230;  The apparent measure seems to be &#8220;Did we Create him or keep him in power when we knew what kind of monster he was?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mugabe isn&#39;t a creature of the American cold-war policy machine.  If ANY western nation should be seriously considering intervention in Zimbabwe, it&#39;s britain, not the U.S..</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20556/zimbabwe-elections-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-142504</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was ever a country that could use Bush&#039;s support to advance freedom from a brutal dictator Zimbabwe is it.  Oh wait, Zimbabwe doesn&#039;t have any oil....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was ever a country that could use Bush&#39;s support to advance freedom from a brutal dictator Zimbabwe is it.  Oh wait, Zimbabwe doesn&#39;t have any oil&#8230;.</p>
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