Comments on: More on the CERN Black Hole Issue: We Get Answers http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 28 May 2012 14:00:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: full_version_games http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-173641 full_version_games Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:54:24 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-173641 Nice information, thank you Nice information, thank you

]]> By: SaneScience http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121962 SaneScience Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:36:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121962 Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough' <br>Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.<br>Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.<br>The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."<br>The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the CERN quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.<br>This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."<br>Find out more about that "stuff" below;<br><a href="http://www.SaneScience.org/">http://www.SaneScience.org/</a><br><a href="http://www.LHCFacts.org">http://www.LHCFacts.org</a><br><a href="http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm">http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.lhcdefense.org/">http://www.lhcdefense.org/</a><br><a href="http://www.lhcconcerns.com">http://www.lhcconcerns.com</a><br>Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html%22">http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme...</a> Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. – 'The World is not Enough'
Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, “Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing.” And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, “the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown.”
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: “There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,…” Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: “A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals.” The second part of the CERN quote reads “…but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,…” A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads “…as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe.” These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the “God particle”, and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this “science” up: “That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out.”
Find out more about that “stuff” below;
http://www.SaneScience.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.lhcdefense.org/
http://www.lhcconcerns.com
Popular Mechanics – “World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'” – http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme…

]]> By: kathyedits http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121953 kathyedits Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:36:46 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121953 <i>This causes you to stretch out and eventually snap into two pieces</i><br><br>Well, first of all, I'm sorry I asked. But second, it's somewhat comforting to realize that I would most certainly lose consciousness long before I snapped into two pieces. This causes you to stretch out and eventually snap into two pieces

Well, first of all, I'm sorry I asked. But second, it's somewhat comforting to realize that I would most certainly lose consciousness long before I snapped into two pieces.

]]> By: WorldSentinel http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121949 WorldSentinel Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:51:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121949 The problem with CERN's report, you can't compare colliding protons at the Large Hadron Collider to cosmic rays. The cosmic rays are hitting a stationary object, Earth, bouncing particles harmlessly into space. Kind of like a cue ball hitting racked balls on a pool table. Now the protons in the Large Hadron Collider are like cue balls colliding with each other, minus any stationary balls. And what happens when two cue balls traveling at the same speed collide with each other, they don't bounce anywhere, but stay right where they collided. So if the LHC were to create black holes with these collisions, it wont bounce into space harmlessly, but remain stationary, gravitating towards the Earths center.<br><br>Physicists at CERN are depending on an unwitnessed unproven theory to protect Earth against micro black holes from growing, Hawking Radiation, which has already been proven in error once, admitted by Stephen Hawking when he lost a bet to John Preskill of Caltech. The problem with CERN's report, you can't compare colliding protons at the Large Hadron Collider to cosmic rays. The cosmic rays are hitting a stationary object, Earth, bouncing particles harmlessly into space. Kind of like a cue ball hitting racked balls on a pool table. Now the protons in the Large Hadron Collider are like cue balls colliding with each other, minus any stationary balls. And what happens when two cue balls traveling at the same speed collide with each other, they don't bounce anywhere, but stay right where they collided. So if the LHC were to create black holes with these collisions, it wont bounce into space harmlessly, but remain stationary, gravitating towards the Earths center.

Physicists at CERN are depending on an unwitnessed unproven theory to protect Earth against micro black holes from growing, Hawking Radiation, which has already been proven in error once, admitted by Stephen Hawking when he lost a bet to John Preskill of Caltech.

]]> By: WorldSentinel http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121947 WorldSentinel Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:34:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121947 Spaghettification happens after your death, shortly before you shoot out the other end of the black hole as radiation.<br><br>Hope I didn't ruin someones dinner. Spaghettification happens after your death, shortly before you shoot out the other end of the black hole as radiation.

Hope I didn't ruin someones dinner.

]]> By: WorldSentinel http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121942 WorldSentinel Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:31:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121942 Dr. Tyson is partially wrong about what a black hole could do to you if it took days or years to eat Earth. Gravity will increase, and as you lay there, you will either die of starvation and thirst if this is a long drawn out process, or your lungs will collapse shortly before the atmosphere is absorbed by earth before implosion. If you're lucky and the destruction is quick, you might catch a few seconds glimpse of the earth imploding before you're sucked into it's dying furnace. You wont see the black hole, just Earths destruction. Dr. Tyson is partially wrong about what a black hole could do to you if it took days or years to eat Earth. Gravity will increase, and as you lay there, you will either die of starvation and thirst if this is a long drawn out process, or your lungs will collapse shortly before the atmosphere is absorbed by earth before implosion. If you're lucky and the destruction is quick, you might catch a few seconds glimpse of the earth imploding before you're sucked into it's dying furnace. You wont see the black hole, just Earths destruction.

]]> By: runasim http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121935 runasim Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:15:29 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121935 Jazz,<br>That was my attempt at using humor to dispel fear. Jazz,
That was my attempt at using humor to dispel fear.

]]> By: Jazz http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121934 Jazz Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:47:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121934 Don't think terrorists can manage it unless they can smuggle a tunnel 17 miles across cooled down to 2 degrees above absolute zero over the border. But there's more information available so I've put a Part Three post up. Don't think terrorists can manage it unless they can smuggle a tunnel 17 miles across cooled down to 2 degrees above absolute zero over the border. But there's more information available so I've put a Part Three post up.

]]> By: runasim http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121927 runasim Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:22:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121927 I will now have nightmares about terrorists creating black holes. I will now have nightmares about terrorists creating black holes.

]]> By: Jazz http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121918 Jazz Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:48:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121918 I've finished listening to the radio broadcasts linked above. This is a lot more complex than I first imagined. But thank you for all of the links and information. We'll probably want to interview more people than just Dr. Tyson. I've finished listening to the radio broadcasts linked above. This is a lot more complex than I first imagined. But thank you for all of the links and information. We'll probably want to interview more people than just Dr. Tyson.

]]> By: JTankers http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121917 JTankers Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:31:02 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121917 Hello Jazz, <br><br>I am a bit perplexed by the comment above also, but the Wikipedia article on the Large Hadron Collider is good resource to find very summarized main stream, (currently) balanced safety arguments. Some of the discussion pages are also informative, and reasonably comprehensible I think. <br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Safety_concerns">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Colli...</a><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Large_Hadron_Collider/Archive_5">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Large_Hadron_...</a><br><br>As for your primary question... many of us at <a href="http://LHCFacts.org">LHCFacts.org</a>, <a href="http://LHCDefense.org">LHCDefense.org</a>, and other independent organizations are asking similar questions and working to lower the uncertainty before high energy collisions begin at the Large Hadron Collider, stay tuned... Hello Jazz,

I am a bit perplexed by the comment above also, but the Wikipedia article on the Large Hadron Collider is good resource to find very summarized main stream, (currently) balanced safety arguments. Some of the discussion pages are also informative, and reasonably comprehensible I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Colli…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Large_Hadron_…

As for your primary question… many of us at LHCFacts.org, LHCDefense.org, and other independent organizations are asking similar questions and working to lower the uncertainty before high energy collisions begin at the Large Hadron Collider, stay tuned…

]]> By: JTankers http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121909 JTankers Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:22:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121909 A good discussion in layman's terms is available on YouTube video. Interview with Nuclear Physicist Walter L. Wagner (of <a href="http://LHCDefense.org">LHCDefense.org</a>) on Coast to Coast AM "LHC may cause mini black hole and swallow earth":<br><br>part 1 of 4 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg</a><br>part 2 of 4 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTbVmxbqZM&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTbVmxbqZM&feat...</a><br>part 3 of 4 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oabjc8hr6n0&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oabjc8hr6n0&feat...</a><br>part 4 of 4 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQO-bkqBHw&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQO-bkqBHw&feat...</a> A good discussion in layman's terms is available on YouTube video. Interview with Nuclear Physicist Walter L. Wagner (of LHCDefense.org) on Coast to Coast AM “LHC may cause mini black hole and swallow earth”:

part 1 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg
part 2 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTbVmxbqZM&feat…
part 3 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oabjc8hr6n0&feat…
part 4 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQO-bkqBHw&feat…

]]> By: Jazz http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121902 Jazz Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:13:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121902 You know Robert, I think I might possibly be inclined to agree with you if I understood more than six words from what you just wrote. :-)<br><br>Mostly, I'm just curious to find out if we're all going to die. You know Robert, I think I might possibly be inclined to agree with you if I understood more than six words from what you just wrote. :-)

Mostly, I'm just curious to find out if we're all going to die.

]]> By: robertmarshII http://themoderatevoice.com/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-121900 robertmarshII Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:46:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/science/natural-disasters/20550/more-on-the-cern-black-hole-issue-we-get-answers/#comment-121900 Any disaster scenarios, will reside within the ALICE Lead (Pb) Heavy Ion Collisions, and the ATLAS; scheduled (once financed) to begin in 2009. These two projects create magnitude density Plasma Waves, which can create Gravitational Waves; thus a Curvature of Space/Time, and the formation of a Vortex Ring, leading to a Compression Singularity. An Event-Horizon would boundary a forced equilibrium state perimeter, and a Quantum Wormhole could stabilize a 'jet-stream' of the Heavy Ion Beams. There are 8 Billion reasons for Michelangelo Mangano (and others) to have penned an expedited 'Safety Report'! CERN is grappling with multiple variance calculation paradoxes Right Now, and the issuance of a safety report (that is not conclusive) is just plain ridiculous!!! Any disaster scenarios, will reside within the ALICE Lead (Pb) Heavy Ion Collisions, and the ATLAS; scheduled (once financed) to begin in 2009. These two projects create magnitude density Plasma Waves, which can create Gravitational Waves; thus a Curvature of Space/Time, and the formation of a Vortex Ring, leading to a Compression Singularity. An Event-Horizon would boundary a forced equilibrium state perimeter, and a Quantum Wormhole could stabilize a 'jet-stream' of the Heavy Ion Beams. There are 8 Billion reasons for Michelangelo Mangano (and others) to have penned an expedited 'Safety Report'! CERN is grappling with multiple variance calculation paradoxes Right Now, and the issuance of a safety report (that is not conclusive) is just plain ridiculous!!!

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