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Obama: Less Progressive Than Advertised

There’s much consternation among progressives and the Republicans over recent developments in Obama’s unmasking as the tough, take-no-prisoners politician — and centrist Democrat — he is and has always been. Jazz Shaw comments here at TMV on Obama’s ‘Rovian’ roleplaying here.

In a piece which seems to me to be simultaneously mean-spirited and [very] grudgingly admiring David Brooks writes of ‘The Two Obamas.’ Andrew Sullivan — who seemingly admires the trait — calls his comment on Obama’s [intelligent, strategically unexceptionable] decision not to go the public funding route ‘Niccolo Obama.’

In the meantime, the progressives who supported him are despondent about what they view as his 180 (though it is really a 360) on NAFTA, with respect to which it appears he isn’t as inclined as he let on back during the primaries to take a hammer to; his support of white conservative Democrat John Barrow over African-American liberal Regina Thomas; and his stated support of the FISA so-called ‘compromise’ legislation. It’s clear that a lot of them feel let down.

These are not, of course, the changes that his progressive supporters were expecting.

Were people really not listening to anything except Obama’s rhetoric?

As for ‘Rovian’ tactics, David Axelrod has been called the Democrats’ answer to Karl Rove.

Hillary supporters like me were cognizant of — and vainly pointed out — the deployment by the Obama campaign of certain tactics that one might call Rovian back when we thought it perhaps ought to matter to our fellow progressives. They took no notice. They heard what they wanted to hear through some form of selective deafness. As Taylor Marsh — like me, an erstwhile Hillary supporter — points out, Obama is not an ideologue. He never has been. Anyone who took a careful look at his advisers and their known opinions could see this.

But I don’t want to be unfair to progressives. As David Brooks — in sardonic vein — observes, Republicans also have completely failed to recognize who Obama is.

God, Republicans are saps. They think that they’re running against some academic liberal who wouldn’t wear flag pins on his lapel, whose wife isn’t proud of America and who went to some liberationist church where the pastor damned his own country. They think they’re running against some naïve university-town dreamer, the second coming of Adlai Stevenson….

This guy is the whole Chicago package: an idealistic, lakefront liberal fronting a sharp-elbowed machine operator. He’s the only politician of our lifetime who is underestimated because he’s too intelligent. He speaks so calmly and polysyllabically that people fail to appreciate the Machiavellian ambition inside. (NYT)

We see here the dawning realization of just how formidable the ‘Obama machine’ really is. Didn’t it, after all, bring down the fabled ‘Clinton machine’?

But Obama is doubtless right, from a strategic standpoint, to keep his eye on the ball, even at the expense of some temporary inattention to current issues of concern to progressives. I assume that his campaign delayed his response in order to run a few helpful focus groups.

In the fight for the presidency, political strategy and savvy will trump idealism every time. Many seem happy enough for him to flip-flop on the public funding issue.

Don’t we want to win? Didn’t we pray for a contender who could do that? Let Obama be Obama, I say.

After he wins, we progressives can join together to exert such pressure as they can to get essentially centrist Obama to create the Changes that we want to implement. At least we can count on him to appoint judges we can stomach and to refrain from vetoing legislation sponsored by reform-minded Democrats, if any.

At least I assume so. I don’t know whether we can count on him to veto legislation which the other side wishes to implement in favor of their special interests — fingers crossed. It’s really all, based on past precedent, I expect for any politician who has accumulated enough money and power to aspire to the presidency. Unfortunate, but true.

He’s in it to win. And I want him to win.

In the meantime, as an erstwhile supporter of the much-reviled Hillary there is a great deal of mean-spirited satisfaction in saying, ‘I told you so.’ So I shall refrain.

  • Obama deserves a lot of scorn for his cowardly stance on the domestic surveillance / telecom immunity issue.

    The steady transformation of the U.S. into a police state is almost complete. We have the coalition of Bin Laden, Bush and the Congressional Democrats to thank for that.
  • runasim
    While everyone else is piling on Obama for not being what they want him to be,, he is turning out to be much of what I wanted him to be: a pragmatist steering in the right direction but refusing to cause the complete revolution that the Progresives (whoever they are) have been demanding and are demanding still.
    First the angry Hillary women, and now the angry progressives, are giving the preisdency to McCain.
    I won't be thanking any of them in November or during the years to come when we will be struggling on without decent health insurance, with a short-sighted energy policy and more ultra conservative judges in the SC.

    What was the complaint about Bush? That he was president of his party, not the nation. And how popular are the Reps today? It seems these demand, demand people want to repeat history. Only an Obama-in-their-image would ensure a Republican resurgence much sooner, i'd say by next election cycle., They have heard of backlashes, I presume?

    Obama, on the other hand is thinking long term, not short term vengeance, in every aspect from the economy to energy policy to political strategy. to make the Democratic Party viable for a long itme.
    He is, in fact, acting like the president we wish Bush could have been. He is a Democrat, but he is thinking about leading and changing the nation, not just any whining faction.
    Why that is so hard to grasp eludes me, unless Americans really are hell bent on self destrucion.
  • mikkel
    Well, as someone who actually always supported Obama for his policies I have to say that his NAFTA thing was completely expected and it irked me a bit that he had started stretching his thoughts on it during the campaign. I'm even indifferent to his support of incumbents and Jazz's calling him Rovian is way off base since he even admits Obama isn't into smearing. (As for opting out I'm conflicted as I think it's the wrong decision even though I can appreciate that perhaps Obama had valid reasons....reasons that are ultimately stupid because no one should have to spend more money than he already could have.)

    All that said, I with Chris. I am extremely alarmed and depressed about the FISA compromise. What about all that support of Dodd he professed last time? And what's with this BS: "It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay." What is alarming is that it seems like Obama is going to take the track that the government having a lot of power is not inherently bad as long as someone good is in office. Even if he is a noble and great president, this is dangerous because it weakens the institutional resistance against bad leaders. On this point, I think Clinton was identical BTW.

    In the end I have always supported Obama not because he is always on the right side, but that he seemed to be the one that would be most responsive. I hope that faith isn't misplaced and there is severe blowback from all sides to force him to cut down on the Executive's power.
  • mw
    "Were people really not listening to anything except Obama’s rhetoric?" - D


    Yes they were! Yes they were! Yes they were!
  • daveinboca
    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss!

    Since McCain is turning into a tongue-tied equivocating political clubfoot, I'm happy someone is actually stripping off his suit and putting up a fight.
  • runasim
    Can we just be pragmatic for a minute?

    This is like the complaints that the Dems in Congress din't end the war.
    The only way they oculd have done that, was to cut off funding. And then what?
    If things deteriorated in Iraq, they would be out of office soomer than you can say 'office'.
    After people express what they would like, someone has to take responsiblity to plan how to get there from here without stepping on a landmine.
    I wonder which of these unhappy demanders is ready to take rresponibility and the blame if things go terribly wrong.
    Obama is right about the withdrawal needing to be very cautious.
    You can start complaining about the speed now, because I guarantee that it won't be as fast as the demanders want.

    Now FiSA,. Where were the votes to get a more 'acceptable' bill passed? Hm?
    For that matter, how was Obama , on his own, going to force a better bill through? As he says, there are improvements. In the meantime, GI provisions were attached, I understad. Has anyone been watching what a miracle it is to get anything done with the Republicans?

    Neither a candidate, nor a preisdent is a miracle man. The situation is so precarious both at home, in Iraq and in Afghanistan, that I'm grateful for any progress, which can built on, if the Dem party doesn't self-destruct in the meantime.
  • runasim
    i apoligize for my rants today. Maybe it's catching.
  • lurxst
    The few moderate dems from my state also voted aye on this garbage, which I was disappointed in. The whole bill was muddied up in the poorly executed "compromise" by adding the all the other appropriations to it. Its an election year folks.

    It should never have been allowed to be voted on as such. The fundamental issue is too great.
  • mikkel
    First of all, Obama isn't some senator anymore, he's the new head of the party (even though I disagree that the President should be head of the party). There is also no evidence I know of that he was actively involved in working on the compromise, and furthermore, except for a couple of technical issues (like routing issues), there is absolutely nothing wrong with FISA as it stands. FISA is completely different than the war, and it's entirely a manufactured problem. It really is the epitome of what he claims to be against.

    One of the biggest problems in politics as I see it is that most of the energy is spent on "problems" that don't really exist except as political cudgels, and that's what there is noble "compromise" on, while most of the real problems see little attempt at pragmatic compromise. At the very least, Obama should have put up a little fight and sparred with the Democratic leadership a bit, it would show that he was ready to be more independent.
  • mikkel
    Yes you've hit on the core problem of political "compromise." In general compromise usually means "let's work together on a solution that is amenable to both sides" while in politics compromise usually means "I'll give you this thing I'm against if you give me something completely separate that you're against and we'll call it even." Instead of actively engaging each issue and trying to make it good, they just throw everything into the pot and it's supposed to magically equal out. This is how we get complete nonsensical and muddled governance.
  • The progressives need to learn that they'll never get someone who's going to tout all the priorities they want; not if they want to win an election.

    The United States population is just too conservative in general for that.
  • DLS
    "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss!"

    Just wait until Obama's administration is likely filled with Clinton and Carter retreads and other Democratic Washington fixtures. "Surprise," again, "progressives" [sic]!


    * * *

    "McCain is turning into a tongue-tied equivocating political clubfoot"

    He's preparing for the debates. [rolling eyes]
  • Jim_Satterfield
    I agree with runasim and Dymero. The great failure of ideologues is their continuing insistence on letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
  • DLS
    "The progressives need to learn that they'll never get someone who's going to tout all the priorities they want; not if they want to win an election."

    For every vote someone gets by such touting, several votes will be lost, and rightly so (pun intended).
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