Comments on: Voting Rights for Ex-Felons in Florida http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:17:37 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-143571 Lynx Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:34:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/human-rights/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/#comment-143571 "If you can not admit that you have a preconceived notion that all Republicans are racists, then that is your problem."<br><br>If you can't admit that you are incapable of having an argument based on actual ideas and positions and not on personal insult, then that's just your problem. <br><br>I happily inhabit and blog somewhere that is very much to the right of this blog. Perhaps you should ask my fellow co-bloggers, all conservative, whether I think them or theirs racist? Nah, that would mean backing up your libel with proof. Too much work, eh?<br><br>I think that Florida has more than earned their reputation for dirty tricks in elections, though I'm glad to be proven wrong in this case. Frankly I don't think the prohibition was racist per se. However if you know that you currently have a group of people prevented from voting, regardless of color, and that they would, if given the chance, almost certainly vote for the other party, I can see where the motivation would be. Strategy, not race. Oh but I'm sorry, I was getting in the way of your demonization, please continue. “If you can not admit that you have a preconceived notion that all Republicans are racists, then that is your problem.”

If you can't admit that you are incapable of having an argument based on actual ideas and positions and not on personal insult, then that's just your problem.

I happily inhabit and blog somewhere that is very much to the right of this blog. Perhaps you should ask my fellow co-bloggers, all conservative, whether I think them or theirs racist? Nah, that would mean backing up your libel with proof. Too much work, eh?

I think that Florida has more than earned their reputation for dirty tricks in elections, though I'm glad to be proven wrong in this case. Frankly I don't think the prohibition was racist per se. However if you know that you currently have a group of people prevented from voting, regardless of color, and that they would, if given the chance, almost certainly vote for the other party, I can see where the motivation would be. Strategy, not race. Oh but I'm sorry, I was getting in the way of your demonization, please continue.

]]> By: cfpete http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-143570 cfpete Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:34:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/human-rights/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/#comment-143570 Lynx,<br>If you can not admit that you have a preconceived notion that all Republicans are racists, then that is your problem. Did you not just make an assumption about a group of people? By the way, I am currently a registered Democrat. I actually voted for Obama in the primary. I have defended him to family members against the scurrilous Muslim e-mails. <br>By the way, demonizing people is just part of the game. According to this very blog: <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/progressives/20449/time-to-give-the-c-word-a-trashing/">http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/progressiv...</a><br>I would like to discuss things in a civil manner, but according to runasim: “nice guys finish last” Lynx,
If you can not admit that you have a preconceived notion that all Republicans are racists, then that is your problem. Did you not just make an assumption about a group of people? By the way, I am currently a registered Democrat. I actually voted for Obama in the primary. I have defended him to family members against the scurrilous Muslim e-mails.
By the way, demonizing people is just part of the game. According to this very blog: http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/progressiv...
I would like to discuss things in a civil manner, but according to runasim: “nice guys finish last”

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-143569 Lynx Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:29:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/human-rights/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/#comment-143569 cfpete, you've absolutely no need to insult, but that wouldn't make you feel all fuzzy inside would it?<br><br>I don't think that the state that delivered Bush in 2000 in a more-than-iffy election, the state that has had two straight elections of voter disenfranchisement and the one that has brought us Terri Shiavo is a bad candidate for suspicion of partisan trickery. It was my understanding from the article that ex-felons still lacked voting rights in Florida. If I was mistaken I apologize, to everyone BUT you, since instead of merely correcting the mistake you chose to go for easy insult. cfpete, you've absolutely no need to insult, but that wouldn't make you feel all fuzzy inside would it?

I don't think that the state that delivered Bush in 2000 in a more-than-iffy election, the state that has had two straight elections of voter disenfranchisement and the one that has brought us Terri Shiavo is a bad candidate for suspicion of partisan trickery. It was my understanding from the article that ex-felons still lacked voting rights in Florida. If I was mistaken I apologize, to everyone BUT you, since instead of merely correcting the mistake you chose to go for easy insult.

]]> By: cfpete http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-143568 cfpete Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:04:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/human-rights/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/#comment-143568 Hi Lynx,<br>Florida granted ex-felons voting rights in 2007.<br>Yes, the Republican controlled Executive and Legislature did that.<br>Prejudice: an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.<br>Want to see an example of prejudice, go look in the mirror. Hi Lynx,
Florida granted ex-felons voting rights in 2007.
Yes, the Republican controlled Executive and Legislature did that.
Prejudice: an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.
Want to see an example of prejudice, go look in the mirror.

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-143567 Lynx Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:02:19 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/human-rights/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/#comment-143567 This may sound terribly cynical, but though I certainly agree with the sentiment and am glad of the modest advancement in the dismantling of a shameful policy, I'm inclined to doubt that voting rights will be restored THIS time around.<br>Florida is a Republican controlled swing state, many ex-felons are African American and there's a black man on the Democratic ticket who has garnered the near totality of the African American vote. I highly doubt that the Florida GOP is going to put restoration of ex-felon voting rights in the same continent with their priorities list. This may sound terribly cynical, but though I certainly agree with the sentiment and am glad of the modest advancement in the dismantling of a shameful policy, I'm inclined to doubt that voting rights will be restored THIS time around.
Florida is a Republican controlled swing state, many ex-felons are African American and there's a black man on the Democratic ticket who has garnered the near totality of the African American vote. I highly doubt that the Florida GOP is going to put restoration of ex-felon voting rights in the same continent with their priorities list.

]]> By: Voting Rights for Ex-Felons in Florida http://themoderatevoice.com/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-112959 Voting Rights for Ex-Felons in Florida Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:39:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/human-rights/20472/voting-rights-for-ex-felons-in-florida/#comment-112959 [...] Ultrabrown wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptVoting Rights for Ex-Felons in Florida June 18th, 2008 by DAMOZEL Charlie Crist—the Republican Governor of my very own state— is right: “Once somebody has truly paid their debt to society, we should recognize it, and we should honor it and we should welcome them back into society and give them that second chance.” (NYT) I’ve always thought that it was disgraceful that Florida permanently banned ex-felons from voting, serving on juries, or obtaining state licenses, unless they went thro [...] [...] Ultrabrown wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptVoting Rights for Ex-Felons in Florida June 18th, 2008 by DAMOZEL Charlie Crist—the Republican Governor of my very own state— is right: “Once somebody has truly paid their debt to society, we should recognize it, and we should honor it and we should welcome them back into society and give them that second chance.” (NYT) I’ve always thought that it was disgraceful that Florida permanently banned ex-felons from voting, serving on juries, or obtaining state licenses, unless they went thro [...]

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