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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20449/time-to-give-the-c-word-a-trashing/comment-page-1/#comment-142851</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;ve always viewed the term &quot;progressive&quot; with some suspicion, as if people who use the term WANT to be liberal, but don&#039;t want to be CALLED liberal.&quot;&lt;br&gt;--------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What the words mean and how they&#039;re used (and by whom)  are all different things. &lt;br&gt;The easiest to contrast are progresives and conservtives, becasue the former embrace change and reform, while the latter are concerned with preserving tradition and resist change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cassical liberals are closest to libertarians, in that they want to protect their personal liberties and prefer a laissez faire government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Social liberals (generally,the way the term  &#039;liberal&#039; is used today) believe that government should intervene to promote equality of opportunity and that true liberty is not possible without social justice. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Liberal; and &#039;progressive&#039; are not mutually exclusive, they just accent different things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All the definitions change over time according to what movments they become asociated with historically and how they are associated in the context of current politics. .&lt;br&gt;When used perjoratively, the meanings are deliberately altered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All this leads to so much confusion and misuse, that I just  prefer &#039;Left&#039; and &#039;Right&quot;.&lt;br&gt;At least, then, we all know what we&#039;re talking about.</description>
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<p>What the words mean and how they&#39;re used (and by whom)  are all different things. <br />The easiest to contrast are progresives and conservtives, becasue the former embrace change and reform, while the latter are concerned with preserving tradition and resist change.</p>
<p>Cassical liberals are closest to libertarians, in that they want to protect their personal liberties and prefer a laissez faire government.</p>
<p>Social liberals (generally,the way the term  &#39;liberal&#39; is used today) believe that government should intervene to promote equality of opportunity and that true liberty is not possible without social justice. </p>
<p>&#39;Liberal; and &#39;progressive&#39; are not mutually exclusive, they just accent different things.</p>
<p>All the definitions change over time according to what movments they become asociated with historically and how they are associated in the context of current politics. .<br />When used perjoratively, the meanings are deliberately altered.</p>
<p>All this leads to so much confusion and misuse, that I just  prefer &#39;Left&#39; and &#39;Right&#8221;.<br />At least, then, we all know what we&#39;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;ve always viewed the term &quot;progressive&quot; with some suspicion, as if people who use the term WANT to be liberal, but don&#039;t want to be CALLED liberal.&quot;&lt;br&gt;--------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What the words mean and how they&#039;re used (and by whom)  are all different things. &lt;br&gt;The easiest to contrast are progresives and conservtives, becasue the former embrace change and reform, while the latter are concerned with preserving tradition and resist change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cassical liberals are closest to libertarians, in that they want to protect their personal liberties and prefer a laissez faire government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Social liberals (generally,the way the term  &#039;liberal&#039; is used today) believe that government should intervene to promote equality of opportunity and that true liberty is not possible without social justice. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Liberal; and &#039;progressive&#039; are not mutually exclusive, they just accent different things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All the definitions change over time according to what movments they become asociated with historically and how they are associated in the context of current politics. .&lt;br&gt;When used perjoratively, the meanings are deliberately altered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All this leads to so much confusion and misuse, that I just  prefer &#039;Left&#039; and &#039;Right&quot;.&lt;br&gt;At least, then, we all know what we&#039;re talking about.</description>
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<p>What the words mean and how they&#39;re used (and by whom)  are all different things. <br />The easiest to contrast are progresives and conservtives, becasue the former embrace change and reform, while the latter are concerned with preserving tradition and resist change.</p>
<p>Cassical liberals are closest to libertarians, in that they want to protect their personal liberties and prefer a laissez faire government.</p>
<p>Social liberals (generally,the way the term  &#39;liberal&#39; is used today) believe that government should intervene to promote equality of opportunity and that true liberty is not possible without social justice. </p>
<p>&#39;Liberal; and &#39;progressive&#39; are not mutually exclusive, they just accent different things.</p>
<p>All the definitions change over time according to what movments they become asociated with historically and how they are associated in the context of current politics. .<br />When used perjoratively, the meanings are deliberately altered.</p>
<p>All this leads to so much confusion and misuse, that I just  prefer &#39;Left&#39; and &#39;Right&#8221;.<br />At least, then, we all know what we&#39;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: mlhradio</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlhradio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the debate over the meaning of &quot;evangelical&quot;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/weekinreview/16luo.html?ex=1302840000&amp;en=aee7f4a99db2bde5&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/weekinreview/...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over the past several years, the actual meaning of &#039;evangelism&#039; has drifted somewhat, and is now often viewd with perjorative derision by less religous people, and has taken on a hint of wild-eyed zealotry.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For me, I&#039;ve always viewed the term &quot;progressive&quot; with some suspicion, as if people who use the term WANT to be liberal, but don&#039;t want to be CALLED liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the debate over the meaning of &#8220;evangelical&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/weekinreview/16luo.html?ex=1302840000&#038;en=aee7f4a99db2bde5&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/weekinreview/&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Over the past several years, the actual meaning of &#39;evangelism&#39; has drifted somewhat, and is now often viewd with perjorative derision by less religous people, and has taken on a hint of wild-eyed zealotry.  </p>
<p>For me, I&#39;ve always viewed the term &#8220;progressive&#8221; with some suspicion, as if people who use the term WANT to be liberal, but don&#39;t want to be CALLED liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD-&lt;br&gt;In other words, everyone but you is unjustly using your tax dollars.&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a suggestion.  Keep your tax dollars, build your own raods and schools, train the people who are going to serve your needs, hire your own police force, buy your own ambulance, buy your own airplane., build your own wraparound fence to keep out foreigners , blacks, homosexuals and other undesirables.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Create your own country-for-one.  But no help for you!&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t want my tax dollars to go toward sustaining your life style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD-<br />In other words, everyone but you is unjustly using your tax dollars.<br />Here&#39;s a suggestion.  Keep your tax dollars, build your own raods and schools, train the people who are going to serve your needs, hire your own police force, buy your own ambulance, buy your own airplane., build your own wraparound fence to keep out foreigners , blacks, homosexuals and other undesirables.</p>
<p>Create your own country-for-one.  But no help for you!<br />I don&#39;t want my tax dollars to go toward sustaining your life style.</p>
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		<title>By: lurxst</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurxst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the tide towards a universal healthcare system is unstoppable. Healthcare affects everyone and should not be thought of as a luxury or privilege. Millions of dollars are spent trying to convince us otherwise, but the charade is over.  There will certainly always be more expensive, concierge care available for those that can afford it but that shouldn&#039;t mean that the average Joe has to suffer completely without life saving medication or be forced into bankruptcy due to illness.  Is that guy a liberal or a conservative? He is sick and broke, greatly diminishing his chances to contribute and help his kids get...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Education. Do we serve some higher purpose by letting our population fall behind in the world market of ideas, technology, finance?  A comprehensive system of education helps us stay competitive. Right now there is a huge market for healthcare workers (see above). Where are the people that take care of us going to come from if not from the range of community colleges, tech programs? We import doctors from around the world to supply our need. What happens when suddenly those  past supplier countries start to hire doctors away from us? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Currently our military seems to be the only choice where young people have a shot at having education and healthcare guaranteed for them. (Actually not so much). A greater range of choices needs to be made available where people don&#039;t have to risk death, dismemberment and brain injury to enjoy these benefits. There are likely great numbers of American youth that would love a shot at serving and learning if it didn&#039;t involve killing or being killed. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that the two labels have gotten so twisted away from their historical significance as to become useless slanders. Today&#039;s nominal conservative is not Goldwater. Its John McCain. Eight years ago, he was Maverick; today he is nominated by the most traditionally &quot;conservative&quot; political party to run the country.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/01/nation/na-mccain1&quot;&gt;http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/01/nation/...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the tide towards a universal healthcare system is unstoppable. Healthcare affects everyone and should not be thought of as a luxury or privilege. Millions of dollars are spent trying to convince us otherwise, but the charade is over.  There will certainly always be more expensive, concierge care available for those that can afford it but that shouldn&#39;t mean that the average Joe has to suffer completely without life saving medication or be forced into bankruptcy due to illness.  Is that guy a liberal or a conservative? He is sick and broke, greatly diminishing his chances to contribute and help his kids get&#8230;</p>
<p>Education. Do we serve some higher purpose by letting our population fall behind in the world market of ideas, technology, finance?  A comprehensive system of education helps us stay competitive. Right now there is a huge market for healthcare workers (see above). Where are the people that take care of us going to come from if not from the range of community colleges, tech programs? We import doctors from around the world to supply our need. What happens when suddenly those  past supplier countries start to hire doctors away from us? </p>
<p>Currently our military seems to be the only choice where young people have a shot at having education and healthcare guaranteed for them. (Actually not so much). A greater range of choices needs to be made available where people don&#39;t have to risk death, dismemberment and brain injury to enjoy these benefits. There are likely great numbers of American youth that would love a shot at serving and learning if it didn&#39;t involve killing or being killed. </p>
<p>I think that the two labels have gotten so twisted away from their historical significance as to become useless slanders. Today&#39;s nominal conservative is not Goldwater. Its John McCain. Eight years ago, he was Maverick; today he is nominated by the most traditionally &#8220;conservative&#8221; political party to run the country.</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/01/nation/na-mccain1">http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/01/nation/&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having second thoughts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rather than attacking C&#039;s or L&#039;s, I would like to see a concerted effort to stop the practice of labeling and mislabeling. . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a ploy that has worked for conservaives for years, and it&#039;s nothing if not a dirty trick.  I agree with the above comments indicating that  no one even knows what the labels mean, but  that&#039;s just it&#039;!!  &lt;br&gt;It allows denigration without the need to think, explain or be accountable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve notced a shift lately.  There is no more Left  or Left Wing,  there is only the FAR LEFT, or the RADICAL LEFT, and those labels are used for any person  or any opinion  left of Bill Kristol  or Rush Limbaugh. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s easier to ignore it, but I think people using labeling should be called on it and be asked to explain their label usage.  I&#039;ve done it a few times, and it&#039;s obvious they don&#039;t know what they mean.  They just mumble about  Michael Moore and Dalily Kos.   &lt;br&gt;At least they should know others are on to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m having second thoughts.</p>
<p>Rather than attacking C&#39;s or L&#39;s, I would like to see a concerted effort to stop the practice of labeling and mislabeling. . </p>
<p>It&#39;s a ploy that has worked for conservaives for years, and it&#39;s nothing if not a dirty trick.  I agree with the above comments indicating that  no one even knows what the labels mean, but  that&#39;s just it&#39;!!  <br />It allows denigration without the need to think, explain or be accountable.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve notced a shift lately.  There is no more Left  or Left Wing,  there is only the FAR LEFT, or the RADICAL LEFT, and those labels are used for any person  or any opinion  left of Bill Kristol  or Rush Limbaugh. </p>
<p>It&#39;s easier to ignore it, but I think people using labeling should be called on it and be asked to explain their label usage.  I&#39;ve done it a few times, and it&#39;s obvious they don&#39;t know what they mean.  They just mumble about  Michael Moore and Dalily Kos.   <br />At least they should know others are on to them.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lurxt, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are several groups who would like for healthcare paid for with higher taxes on others.  Immigrant groups, black organizations, and surprisingly, homosexuals. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, severals groups like government employees and lawyers would love to be able to control healthcare.  Such groups would love to control what procedures are funded adequately and which aren&#039;t  Academic researchers believe (wrongly) that nationalized healthcare with generate more research dollars &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On education, minority groups would love more money for the least qualified high school graduates  Universities would love the government to subsidize all college students so that they can raise tuition.  The community college, HBCU, and open admissions universities would love more college money.  Of course, no one is discussing which degrees the U.S. needs ore of or who to ensure that more students do not fail out of college considering that the current rate is above 50%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lurxt, </p>
<p>There are several groups who would like for healthcare paid for with higher taxes on others.  Immigrant groups, black organizations, and surprisingly, homosexuals. </p>
<p>Second, severals groups like government employees and lawyers would love to be able to control healthcare.  Such groups would love to control what procedures are funded adequately and which aren&#39;t  Academic researchers believe (wrongly) that nationalized healthcare with generate more research dollars </p>
<p>On education, minority groups would love more money for the least qualified high school graduates  Universities would love the government to subsidize all college students so that they can raise tuition.  The community college, HBCU, and open admissions universities would love more college money.  Of course, no one is discussing which degrees the U.S. needs ore of or who to ensure that more students do not fail out of college considering that the current rate is above 50%.</p>
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		<title>By: lurxst</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurxst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superdestroyer would seem to imply that people wanting healthcare and education for their kids are special interest groups. Any desire to clarify that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superdestroyer would seem to imply that people wanting healthcare and education for their kids are special interest groups. Any desire to clarify that?</p>
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		<title>By: nicrivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicrivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal?  Conservative?  We&#039;ve reached the Orwellian point where these terms have no real meaning.  When pundits and politicians expend more energy assigning political labels to their opponents that they do actually presenting a rational argument about why an opponent&#039;s positions are wrong, you know the country is in trouble.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t even think that most pundits or politicians could define the terms &quot;liberal&quot; or &quot;conservative.&quot;  They simply parrot the talking points their of their respective side.  It kind of reminds me of that talk radio host who recently went on the Chris Matthews Show to defend the suggestion that Obama&#039;s foreign policies are similar to the appeasement commited by Neville Chamberlain during the 1930&#039;s, and then--for the life of him--couldn&#039;t explain what Neville Chamberlain did that constituted appeasement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal?  Conservative?  We&#39;ve reached the Orwellian point where these terms have no real meaning.  When pundits and politicians expend more energy assigning political labels to their opponents that they do actually presenting a rational argument about why an opponent&#39;s positions are wrong, you know the country is in trouble.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t even think that most pundits or politicians could define the terms &#8220;liberal&#8221; or &#8220;conservative.&#8221;  They simply parrot the talking points their of their respective side.  It kind of reminds me of that talk radio host who recently went on the Chris Matthews Show to defend the suggestion that Obama&#39;s foreign policies are similar to the appeasement commited by Neville Chamberlain during the 1930&#39;s, and then&#8211;for the life of him&#8211;couldn&#39;t explain what Neville Chamberlain did that constituted appeasement.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveA,&lt;br&gt;I think it depends on your reasons for demonizing a word or a movement. If you&#039;re demonizing it just as a pure power play, then yes, it&#039;s a bad idea or immoral. Whatever.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But in this case, the conservative movement has come to represent a very dangerous ideological platform. Warrantless spying, endless war, limitless spending, torture, etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To be honest, I think the job of demonizing the word conservative is already well underway. The word neocon is practically radioactive at this point, and it doesn&#039;t take much to realize that neocon viewpoints are pretty much mainstream in the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveA,<br />I think it depends on your reasons for demonizing a word or a movement. If you&#39;re demonizing it just as a pure power play, then yes, it&#39;s a bad idea or immoral. Whatever.</p>
<p>But in this case, the conservative movement has come to represent a very dangerous ideological platform. Warrantless spying, endless war, limitless spending, torture, etc. </p>
<p>To be honest, I think the job of demonizing the word conservative is already well underway. The word neocon is practically radioactive at this point, and it doesn&#39;t take much to realize that neocon viewpoints are pretty much mainstream in the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can the C word become the next &quot;libural&quot;?  I suppose so.  But should it?  Aren&#039;t we tired of just that sort of stuff?  As a moderate I guess I am of mixed minds about it.  Yes, in the short run, anti-W anything is more or less a good thing given how far off track we are as a nation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what about the long run?  What will be left to compromise on?  No sooner will an idea come into play than it will become a L or C word, and progress at resolving the underlying issue will become much, much more dificult unless one side controlled a majority.  Example? Look at global warming now, its a real issue, but it has become an &quot;L&quot; word, so is scoffed at by a fair number of people who should otherwise know better if they opened their eyes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, if the Ds did control things that solidly (admittedly much harder for Ds the Rs)...  Well, then would we see reasonably fair governance?  Or, merely the flip side of the last eight or so years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the C word become the next &#8220;libural&#8221;?  I suppose so.  But should it?  Aren&#39;t we tired of just that sort of stuff?  As a moderate I guess I am of mixed minds about it.  Yes, in the short run, anti-W anything is more or less a good thing given how far off track we are as a nation.</p>
<p>But what about the long run?  What will be left to compromise on?  No sooner will an idea come into play than it will become a L or C word, and progress at resolving the underlying issue will become much, much more dificult unless one side controlled a majority.  Example? Look at global warming now, its a real issue, but it has become an &#8220;L&#8221; word, so is scoffed at by a fair number of people who should otherwise know better if they opened their eyes.</p>
<p>And, if the Ds did control things that solidly (admittedly much harder for Ds the Rs)&#8230;  Well, then would we see reasonably fair governance?  Or, merely the flip side of the last eight or so years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At  the extreme and/or  ground level, liberals are not at all shy about denigrating the C brand.&lt;br&gt;There is a core group at the center, however, that recoils from this kind of politics on a visceral level.   It&#039;s not who they are, and it&#039;s not who they want to be.&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s &#039;high  ground&#039;&#039; message is a natual fit for them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s been proved true numerous times, however, that nice guys finish last.&lt;br&gt;Even so, I&#039;m not sure that this group will ever be ready to abandon their self-image</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At  the extreme and/or  ground level, liberals are not at all shy about denigrating the C brand.<br />There is a core group at the center, however, that recoils from this kind of politics on a visceral level.   It&#39;s not who they are, and it&#39;s not who they want to be.<br />Obama&#39;s &#39;high  ground&#39;&#39; message is a natual fit for them.</p>
<p>It&#39;s been proved true numerous times, however, that nice guys finish last.<br />Even so, I&#39;m not sure that this group will ever be ready to abandon their self-image</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not understand why liberals would need to attack conservatism. Progressive politics is about paying off special interest groups with other people&#039;s money.  Look at how Senator Obama wants to give everyone free health care, free college, and a government job while having the rich (read whites) pay for it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Attacking conservatives is done by proxies like the NAACP who claim that Republicans want to put blacks back in the field picking cotton or the AARP who claim that Republicans want the elderly to eat dog food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not understand why liberals would need to attack conservatism. Progressive politics is about paying off special interest groups with other people&#39;s money.  Look at how Senator Obama wants to give everyone free health care, free college, and a government job while having the rich (read whites) pay for it. </p>
<p>Attacking conservatives is done by proxies like the NAACP who claim that Republicans want to put blacks back in the field picking cotton or the AARP who claim that Republicans want the elderly to eat dog food.</p>
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