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	<title>Comments on: Will Kathleen Sebelius alienate Hillary supporters?</title>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20431/will-kathleen-sebelius-alienate-hillary-supporters/comment-page-1/#comment-137091</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the yearning and the drive of women who support Hillary (or another woman, but I don&#039;t understand the sense of entitileemnt. to have that glass ceiling broken now, this election cycle..&lt;br&gt;Obama didn&#039;t gain the nomination, BECAUSE  he  is black.  He achieved it IN SPITE OF  his mixed race parentage.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m particulalry startled by this statement: &quot;We need a woman in the White House.&quot;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s true, but we&#039;ve needed a woman in the White Hosue for decades.  It&#039;s a miracle a black man got the nomination, and the election is precarious.  Why would women want to saddle a candidate already sailing against cultural headwinds with the responsibilty (it&#039;s made to sound like a debt) of breaking another political and cultural taboo at he same time? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is mention of appeasing disgruntled Hillary supporters.  There are also disgrutnled racists in the electorate. Should they be appeaseed, as well?  This is politics I don&#039;t understand, and i&quot;m sorry to say, it sounds manipulative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a woman and a lifelong feminist, this is a feminist psychology totally foreign to me.&lt;br&gt;I believe that women should be recognixzed and awarded  on a par with men, but I also believe that women have to take it on the chin like men.  Affirmative action  for women should not start at the very top, the presidency.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hillary would bring a lot of voters to the Democratic ticket, but she would drive others away, because the negative associations with the Clintons&#039; past would be dragged in, and also, because her crtiticisms of Obama during the primaries would be revived to echo throughput the campaign.  No one knows what the mathematical formula is for calculating the +&#039;s and the -&#039;s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be wonderful if Obama found a woman for the VP slot.  He is the one who has to carry the ball for the Democrats, however, and he is is the one who has to make the decision.  I would hope that Dempcratic women would be gracious enough and realistic enough to realize  what is at stake in this election and to not put stumbling blocks in the way.  They are not winning any popularity contests right now, so their own political power is at stake, too. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the situation were reversed, would Hillary&#039;s camp feel obliged, obligated even, to make Obama the VP candidate without considering the consequences in the general election?   They would not. not  it they wanted to win above all other considerations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For me, the election comes first.  From her statemtns, I surmise Hillary feels the same way.&lt;br&gt; i suggest we all think of it in terms of priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the yearning and the drive of women who support Hillary (or another woman, but I don&#39;t understand the sense of entitileemnt. to have that glass ceiling broken now, this election cycle..<br />Obama didn&#39;t gain the nomination, BECAUSE  he  is black.  He achieved it IN SPITE OF  his mixed race parentage.   </p>
<p>I&#39;m particulalry startled by this statement: &#8220;We need a woman in the White House.&#8221;<br />It&#39;s true, but we&#39;ve needed a woman in the White Hosue for decades.  It&#39;s a miracle a black man got the nomination, and the election is precarious.  Why would women want to saddle a candidate already sailing against cultural headwinds with the responsibilty (it&#39;s made to sound like a debt) of breaking another political and cultural taboo at he same time? </p>
<p>There is mention of appeasing disgruntled Hillary supporters.  There are also disgrutnled racists in the electorate. Should they be appeaseed, as well?  This is politics I don&#39;t understand, and i&#8221;m sorry to say, it sounds manipulative.</p>
<p>As a woman and a lifelong feminist, this is a feminist psychology totally foreign to me.<br />I believe that women should be recognixzed and awarded  on a par with men, but I also believe that women have to take it on the chin like men.  Affirmative action  for women should not start at the very top, the presidency.  </p>
<p>Hillary would bring a lot of voters to the Democratic ticket, but she would drive others away, because the negative associations with the Clintons&#39; past would be dragged in, and also, because her crtiticisms of Obama during the primaries would be revived to echo throughput the campaign.  No one knows what the mathematical formula is for calculating the +&#39;s and the -&#39;s.</p>
<p>It would be wonderful if Obama found a woman for the VP slot.  He is the one who has to carry the ball for the Democrats, however, and he is is the one who has to make the decision.  I would hope that Dempcratic women would be gracious enough and realistic enough to realize  what is at stake in this election and to not put stumbling blocks in the way.  They are not winning any popularity contests right now, so their own political power is at stake, too. </p>
<p>If the situation were reversed, would Hillary&#39;s camp feel obliged, obligated even, to make Obama the VP candidate without considering the consequences in the general election?   They would not. not  it they wanted to win above all other considerations.</p>
<p>For me, the election comes first.  From her statemtns, I surmise Hillary feels the same way.<br /> i suggest we all think of it in terms of priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment at Balloon Juice sums up my feeling&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;On another note; if the easily-insulted Clinton supporters would publish a list of those things that they consider a slap in the face things would smooth right out. I’m sure that, in .pdf form, it wouldn’t be larger than eight or nine megabits.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment at Balloon Juice sums up my feeling</p>
<blockquote><p>On another note; if the easily-insulted Clinton supporters would publish a list of those things that they consider a slap in the face things would smooth right out. I’m sure that, in .pdf form, it wouldn’t be larger than eight or nine megabits.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nobody has ever heard of her.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a big liability given the problem Obama has with lack of experience.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was the kind of blunder the Dems made before, with Ferraro (someone many of us never heard of, while there at the time were plenty of well-known celebrity-status female politicians like Dianne Feinstein) and I suspect they know it and won&#039;t make it again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be a yawner and laugher if she were chosen, though there wouldn&#039;t necessarily be the derision expressed that we&#039;d observe if McCain were to choose Condolezza Rice for his Vice President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nobody has ever heard of her.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s a big liability given the problem Obama has with lack of experience.</p>
<p>This was the kind of blunder the Dems made before, with Ferraro (someone many of us never heard of, while there at the time were plenty of well-known celebrity-status female politicians like Dianne Feinstein) and I suspect they know it and won&#39;t make it again.</p>
<p>It would be a yawner and laugher if she were chosen, though there wouldn&#39;t necessarily be the derision expressed that we&#39;d observe if McCain were to choose Condolezza Rice for his Vice President.</p>
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