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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought of an interesting comparison and contrast.  In Mormonism, gender roles are very strictly different  and very unequal.  Yet, the women, seem disinclined to complain&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder how much depends on expectations in regard to what is fair and right.&lt;br&gt;Is it egalitarianism that&#039; is a determinant or is it acceptance of one&#039;s role, no matter what it is?  &lt;br&gt;That&#039;s something for the next study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of an interesting comparison and contrast.  In Mormonism, gender roles are very strictly different  and very unequal.  Yet, the women, seem disinclined to complain</p>
<p>I wonder how much depends on expectations in regard to what is fair and right.<br />Is it egalitarianism that&#39; is a determinant or is it acceptance of one&#39;s role, no matter what it is?  <br />That&#39;s something for the next study.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one study can do it all, but this is a very valuable beginning.&lt;br&gt;Not having a bias against academics (what&#039;s the alternaive, guessing?) or the NYT, I&#039;d  say it lays the groundwork for more in-depth studies to come.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The coincidence of egalitarianism in task related  roles and being better at how argumnts are conducted  and resolved is not necessarily a cause-and-effect relationship, although it coulld be.  There  need to be studies with more controls than just hetero vs gay before solid conclusions can be drawn.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile,  the importance of how arguments are argued has been recognized for some time.  Some  marriage counselors have made a specially of it., and they could pick up pointers from same-sex couples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one study can do it all, but this is a very valuable beginning.<br />Not having a bias against academics (what&#39;s the alternaive, guessing?) or the NYT, I&#39;d  say it lays the groundwork for more in-depth studies to come.</p>
<p>The coincidence of egalitarianism in task related  roles and being better at how argumnts are conducted  and resolved is not necessarily a cause-and-effect relationship, although it coulld be.  There  need to be studies with more controls than just hetero vs gay before solid conclusions can be drawn.</p>
<p>Meanwhile,  the importance of how arguments are argued has been recognized for some time.  Some  marriage counselors have made a specially of it., and they could pick up pointers from same-sex couples.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this study makes sense.  Looking at just heterosexual couples, it seems that those who do not adhere strictly to gendered roles (women cook and clean, men earn the money) in favor of having equal stakes in both financial and home-based work seem to fare much better. It makes sense that as same-sex couples don&#039;t necessarily have these tasks clearly devided by gender that they might reap those same benefits.  It could also point to the possibility that cutting out antiquated notions of the division of labor from traditional marriages could lead to more happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this study makes sense.  Looking at just heterosexual couples, it seems that those who do not adhere strictly to gendered roles (women cook and clean, men earn the money) in favor of having equal stakes in both financial and home-based work seem to fare much better. It makes sense that as same-sex couples don&#39;t necessarily have these tasks clearly devided by gender that they might reap those same benefits.  It could also point to the possibility that cutting out antiquated notions of the division of labor from traditional marriages could lead to more happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add, of course, that there are undeniable differences in gender.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have never, for example, encountered a woman - straight or lesbian - who appreciated the humor of the Three Stooges!  This seems to be an oddly gendered response, with males tending to enjoy the Stooges regardless of orientation.  Of course, my sample size is admittedly limited.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I would be fascinated to read an academic study on the appeal of the Stooges!  (Hmmm...I wonder how they would control for the variable of Shemp vs. Curly Howard?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I rather doubt Berkeley would approve of a grant for such a study...but then maybe they would.   Berkeley is . . . well, Berkeley.  Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add, of course, that there are undeniable differences in gender.</p>
<p>I have never, for example, encountered a woman &#8211; straight or lesbian &#8211; who appreciated the humor of the Three Stooges!  This seems to be an oddly gendered response, with males tending to enjoy the Stooges regardless of orientation.  Of course, my sample size is admittedly limited.</p>
<p>Personally, I would be fascinated to read an academic study on the appeal of the Stooges!  (Hmmm&#8230;I wonder how they would control for the variable of Shemp vs. Curly Howard?)</p>
<p>I rather doubt Berkeley would approve of a grant for such a study&#8230;but then maybe they would.   Berkeley is . . . well, Berkeley.  Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post by Joe Windish.  Perhaps there will be more interest in this subject with the Calif. prop in November.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I  would be inclined to be sceptical of these findings.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Altho I am a conservative, I am a supporter of gay marriage (having been a witness at one) and have many gay friends.  Based on my own experience, there is very little difference in the issues and arguments of gay couples vs. straight couples.  Indeed, I find there are extraordinary levels of similarities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect that this is a case of the well-known academic phenomenon of erroneous results in a &quot;hot&quot; area.  Ironically, many meta-studies of academic publications have noted this, as academics more often than not tend to find the results they seek.  Here is an interesting study of this phenomenon:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&amp;doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124&amp;ct=1&amp;SESSID=a65c4a02f4c419f71a66733236a1fbce&quot;&gt;http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?requ...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The NYT interest in this issue is understandable, of course, as it fits their agenda.  But consider this revealing line from the piece:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“When they got into these really negative interactions, gay and lesbian couples were able to do things like use humor and affection that enabled them to step back from the ledge and continue to talk about the problem instead of just exploding,” said Robert W. Levenson, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So...gays and lesbians use &quot;humor and affection&quot; to help their relationships...which, as EVERYONE at Berkeley knows, are exclusively gay traits!   In contrast, straight couples just explode.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bias anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post by Joe Windish.  Perhaps there will be more interest in this subject with the Calif. prop in November.  </p>
<p>However, I  would be inclined to be sceptical of these findings.  </p>
<p>Altho I am a conservative, I am a supporter of gay marriage (having been a witness at one) and have many gay friends.  Based on my own experience, there is very little difference in the issues and arguments of gay couples vs. straight couples.  Indeed, I find there are extraordinary levels of similarities.</p>
<p>I suspect that this is a case of the well-known academic phenomenon of erroneous results in a &#8220;hot&#8221; area.  Ironically, many meta-studies of academic publications have noted this, as academics more often than not tend to find the results they seek.  Here is an interesting study of this phenomenon:<br /><a href="http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&#038;doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124&#038;ct=1&#038;SESSID=a65c4a02f4c419f71a66733236a1fbce"></a><a href="http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?requ.." rel="nofollow">http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?requ..</a>.</p>
<p>The NYT interest in this issue is understandable, of course, as it fits their agenda.  But consider this revealing line from the piece:</p>
<p>“When they got into these really negative interactions, gay and lesbian couples were able to do things like use humor and affection that enabled them to step back from the ledge and continue to talk about the problem instead of just exploding,” said Robert W. Levenson, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley.</p>
<p>So&#8230;gays and lesbians use &#8220;humor and affection&#8221; to help their relationships&#8230;which, as EVERYONE at Berkeley knows, are exclusively gay traits!   In contrast, straight couples just explode.</p>
<p>Bias anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: sex partners</title>
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		<dc:creator>sex partners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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