I'll be voting for Obama, and I'm not really that bitter. But, as a female, its a little hard to take when a serious, intelligent woman candidate is treated this way.

I'll be voting for Obama, and I'm not really that bitter. But, as a female, its a little hard to take when a serious, intelligent woman candidate is treated this way.

Kritt11 – I agree that Clinton probably lost votes and gained votes because of sexism. What we will neverr know in comparison is how many votes Obama lost or gained because of racism.

Kritt11 – I agree that Clinton probably lost votes and gained votes because of sexism. What we will neverr know in comparison is how many votes Obama lost or gained because of racism.

I just can't fight about it now, though, not after laughing at the jokes..in your comment.
Laughing takes the bitchiness right out of me.

I just can't fight about it now, though, not after laughing at the jokes..in your comment.
Laughing takes the bitchiness right out of me.

At the same time, there were numerous media references to Hillary's “cackle”, she was routinely described as “shrill”, and whole articles devoted to her neckline and choice of apparel. When Chelsea made calls to superdelegates for her- an MSNBC reporter said the Clintons were “pimping her out”. Chris Matthews– who had early on fallen in with the Obama camp— said that the only reason for her victorious run for her Senate seat in NY, was because her husband slept around on her.

She did not run a perfect campaign– she sometimes lacked a definite approach, and her number one asset— Bill Clinton was rusty and often intemperate. But she was solid, hard-working and almost always well-informed. She performed well enough to win 18 million votes– about the same number that Obama received. If she had received more respectful treatment in the media, it could have made the difference.

At the same time, there were numerous media references to Hillary's “cackle”, she was routinely described as “shrill”, and whole articles devoted to her neckline and choice of apparel. When Chelsea made calls to superdelegates for her- an MSNBC reporter said the Clintons were “pimping her out”. Chris Matthews– who had early on fallen in with the Obama camp— said that the only reason for her victorious run for her Senate seat in NY, was because her husband slept around on her.

She did not run a perfect campaign– she sometimes lacked a definite approach, and her number one asset— Bill Clinton was rusty and often intemperate. But she was solid, hard-working and almost always well-informed. She performed well enough to win 18 million votes– about the same number that Obama received. If she had received more respectful treatment in the media, it could have made the difference.

The bad news for politicians is that if something negative about them becomes a punch line it shows a problem in the perceptions of them. “Pants suit” has never really been very negative image for Hillary, in my opionion. It just made people laugh she always appeared in them.

You could do an instant joke using this punch line:

Today it seemed like Barack Obama moved closer to considering inviting Hillary Clinton to take the Vice Presidential slot on his ticket.
He was dressed in a brown pants suit.

Notice I also threw in “brown” since she often has appeared in a brown one (not always).

You can again take something out there and do an obama joke. Instant joke:

Barack Obama went to Starbucks and tried their newest type of coffee but returned it.
He said it was too bitter.

SO the pants suit jokes aren't really meant as sexist; the bitter joke is not racist.

It's just a comedian taking a cheap shot where he thinks he can take one.

An old one:
OJ Simpson has been rehired to do commercials for his former car rental company client.
The commercials will have the slogan: “Love Hertz.”

The bad news for politicians is that if something negative about them becomes a punch line it shows a problem in the perceptions of them. “Pants suit” has never really been very negative image for Hillary, in my opionion. It just made people laugh she always appeared in them.

You could do an instant joke using this punch line:

Today it seemed like Barack Obama moved closer to considering inviting Hillary Clinton to take the Vice Presidential slot on his ticket.
He was dressed in a brown pants suit.

Notice I also threw in “brown” since she often has appeared in a brown one (not always).

You can again take something out there and do an obama joke. Instant joke:

Barack Obama went to Starbucks and tried their newest type of coffee but returned it.
He said it was too bitter.

SO the pants suit jokes aren't really meant as sexist; the bitter joke is not racist.

It's just a comedian taking a cheap shot where he thinks he can take one.

An old one:
OJ Simpson has been rehired to do commercials for his former car rental company client.
The commercials will have the slogan: “Love Hertz.”

Agree with the first part, vehemently disagree with the second. Clinton made some mistakes in her campaign, and went up against a truly inspiring candidate; these were the major reasons for her loss. That does not mean that gender and sexism have been banished from the American political machine, or from the American public. Pointing out the fact that Clinton faced a battle ladeled with sexism does not make anyone “whiny” or “unwilling to face…reality”. I know, I know, the womenz sure do love to get whiny and uppity and emotional. At least among the younger generation of feminists, many of whom are/were vocal and adamant Obama supporters, the need to point out blatant sexism during this campaign season had nothing to do with individual political leanings, and everything to do with calling it as we see it.

Agree with the first part, vehemently disagree with the second. Clinton made some mistakes in her campaign, and went up against a truly inspiring candidate; these were the major reasons for her loss. That does not mean that gender and sexism have been banished from the American political machine, or from the American public. Pointing out the fact that Clinton faced a battle ladeled with sexism does not make anyone “whiny” or “unwilling to face…reality”. I know, I know, the womenz sure do love to get whiny and uppity and emotional. At least among the younger generation of feminists, many of whom are/were vocal and adamant Obama supporters, the need to point out blatant sexism during this campaign season had nothing to do with individual political leanings, and everything to do with calling it as we see it.

While the sparring happens with various supporters of all candidates, I would want to see some of Obama's message rubbing off on more of his supporters.

While the sparring happens with various supporters of all candidates, I would want to see some of Obama's message rubbing off on more of his supporters.

Why is it that those in Obama's camp who so adore their candidate for being a moderate, lets all get along insist of using words and language that is demeaning and downright insulting.

Quotes please?

Why is it that those in Obama's camp who so adore their candidate for being a moderate, lets all get along insist of using words and language that is demeaning and downright insulting.

Quotes please?

Well I was agreeing with this person till he had to throw in the badmouthing at the end.

Why is it that those in Obama's camp who so adore their candidate for being a moderate, lets all get along insist of using words and language that is demeaning and downright insulting.

Hitler, Nazi, American Taliban, Clintonistas, Operatives…….on and on it goes…….acceptable language and come to be expected and yet if I throw out a label such as far left………..its fisticuffs time.

Amazing.