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		<title>By: My new WordPress MU Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Political Eyes On Clinton’s Obama Endorsement Tomorrow</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noreply@blogger.com (Martin Rowson) wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAll political eyes will be on Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton tomorrow when she gives her highly anticipated endorsement of Democratic presumptive Presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama. Will it be pro forma? &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="mailto:noreply@blogger.com">noreply@blogger.com</a> (Martin Rowson) wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAll political eyes will be on Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton tomorrow when she gives her highly anticipated endorsement of Democratic presumptive Presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama. Will it be pro forma? &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some historic context regarding the &quot;my candidate or I vote the other party&quot; threat, check out some of the polling from 2000. 51% of McCain voters in the 2000 primary said they would not vote for Bush. As late as October, that number was still as high as 39%. By November most fell in line so Bush could eke out an Electoral College victory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/04553/0439/375/517280&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/045...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe there was a similar number of Bill Bradley voters refusing to support Gore. Some voted Nader in the end. But most voted for Gore.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is always a rump of disgruntled primary voters, and the media (and opposing party) love to exploit them. But they rarely figure much in the general election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some historic context regarding the &#8220;my candidate or I vote the other party&#8221; threat, check out some of the polling from 2000. 51% of McCain voters in the 2000 primary said they would not vote for Bush. As late as October, that number was still as high as 39%. By November most fell in line so Bush could eke out an Electoral College victory.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/04553/0439/375/517280"></a><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/045.." rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/045..</a>.</p>
<p>I believe there was a similar number of Bill Bradley voters refusing to support Gore. Some voted Nader in the end. But most voted for Gore.</p>
<p>There is always a rump of disgruntled primary voters, and the media (and opposing party) love to exploit them. But they rarely figure much in the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Holly and crat, but even before Clinton&#039;s concession speech Obama is drawing at least 60% of Hillary supporters according to a CNN poll out tonight. Most of the remainder are &quot;undecided&quot; rather than voting for McCain. My guess is most of those undecideds will come back to the Democratic fold. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A CBS/NYT poll BEFORE the end of the primary showed Obama only losing 12% of Democrats to McCain. In 2004, Kerry lost 8% of Democrats to Bush. And that was when the party ID of the electorate was MUCH more Republican than now.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And then there&#039;s the fact that according to CNN today, 44% of Republicans are dissatisfied with John McCain as their nominee. Roughly 10% of Republicans cross over to Obama. More importantly, the GOP base is demoralized. Conservative Christians - who did all the GOTV legwork for Bush - are tepid at best about McCain.  GOP diehards don&#039;t trust him at all.  If Hillary Clinton were the nominee they&#039;d come out in droves. Just read Peggy Noonan&#039;s column today to get a sense of how motivated Republicans were to defeat Clinton. But with Obama, much fewer Republicans will be outraged by him (although I&#039;m sure Sean Hannity will do his best to convince the GOP base that Obama is a Muslim terrorist alien Marxist).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, yeah, some people will be lulled by McCain&#039;s &quot;experience&quot; in the Senate - the most significant accomplishment being a deeply flawed campaign finance law. Others will find his biography much more compelling than Obama&#039;s. But coming on the heels of George W. Bush, I see the number of Democrats actually voting for McCain in November to be very low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Holly and crat, but even before Clinton&#39;s concession speech Obama is drawing at least 60% of Hillary supporters according to a CNN poll out tonight. Most of the remainder are &#8220;undecided&#8221; rather than voting for McCain. My guess is most of those undecideds will come back to the Democratic fold. </p>
<p>A CBS/NYT poll BEFORE the end of the primary showed Obama only losing 12% of Democrats to McCain. In 2004, Kerry lost 8% of Democrats to Bush. And that was when the party ID of the electorate was MUCH more Republican than now.  </p>
<p>And then there&#39;s the fact that according to CNN today, 44% of Republicans are dissatisfied with John McCain as their nominee. Roughly 10% of Republicans cross over to Obama. More importantly, the GOP base is demoralized. Conservative Christians &#8211; who did all the GOTV legwork for Bush &#8211; are tepid at best about McCain.  GOP diehards don&#39;t trust him at all.  If Hillary Clinton were the nominee they&#39;d come out in droves. Just read Peggy Noonan&#39;s column today to get a sense of how motivated Republicans were to defeat Clinton. But with Obama, much fewer Republicans will be outraged by him (although I&#39;m sure Sean Hannity will do his best to convince the GOP base that Obama is a Muslim terrorist alien Marxist).</p>
<p>So, yeah, some people will be lulled by McCain&#39;s &#8220;experience&#8221; in the Senate &#8211; the most significant accomplishment being a deeply flawed campaign finance law. Others will find his biography much more compelling than Obama&#39;s. But coming on the heels of George W. Bush, I see the number of Democrats actually voting for McCain in November to be very low.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...[Obama&#039;s defeat] opens the door to 2012 for Sen. Clinton, when she can reform a corrupt Democratic Party.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LOL!  I have to respond to this, it&#039;s just too rich to pass up.... I don&#039;t see Hillary pushing for any reforms to the Democratic Party as a Senator.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I don&#039;t recall seeing Bill as President pushing for any ant-corruption reforms for the Democratic Party.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bill and Hillary have had two decades, and have held positions of great power throughout that time to put through such reforms.  If anyone really thinks that Hillary will wake up one day to enact these reforms, especially after having all the years, opportunity (and experience to do so) is drinking the same kool aid that Bush and Cheney are, only in mega doses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Furthermore, Hillary even helped write the rules declaring that the FL and MI votes wouldn&#039;t count.  (Well, technically she had her staffers write them, but it was done at her direction and she made speeches about the voters in FL and MI not counting).  She did not even trying to overturn that.  When it became apparent that FL and MI votes could only help her, because she was losing to Barrack, she asked the Rules and Bylaws Committee to allow the delegates from FL and MI to be seated.  She didn&#039;t even ask for the rules to be overturned, just the outcome.  Talk about corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;[Obama&#39;s defeat] opens the door to 2012 for Sen. Clinton, when she can reform a corrupt Democratic Party.&#8221;  </p>
<p>LOL!  I have to respond to this, it&#39;s just too rich to pass up&#8230;. I don&#39;t see Hillary pushing for any reforms to the Democratic Party as a Senator.  </p>
<p>And I don&#39;t recall seeing Bill as President pushing for any ant-corruption reforms for the Democratic Party.  </p>
<p>Bill and Hillary have had two decades, and have held positions of great power throughout that time to put through such reforms.  If anyone really thinks that Hillary will wake up one day to enact these reforms, especially after having all the years, opportunity (and experience to do so) is drinking the same kool aid that Bush and Cheney are, only in mega doses.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Hillary even helped write the rules declaring that the FL and MI votes wouldn&#39;t count.  (Well, technically she had her staffers write them, but it was done at her direction and she made speeches about the voters in FL and MI not counting).  She did not even trying to overturn that.  When it became apparent that FL and MI votes could only help her, because she was losing to Barrack, she asked the Rules and Bylaws Committee to allow the delegates from FL and MI to be seated.  She didn&#39;t even ask for the rules to be overturned, just the outcome.  Talk about corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crat3 says:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Sen. Clinton should be the Democratic presidential nominee. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. He clinched a stolen nomination with hijacked MI delegates, and de facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So Obama hijacked the election...even though both of them agreed to the rules put forth?  C&#039;mon...I think if you were willing to vote for Hillary, then what really is stopping you from voting for Obama?  It&#039;s an honest question, looking for an honest answer.  What really separates the two?  Please, articulate for me, why you would be so willing to vote for Hillary, but not ready to vote for Obama (might I add, a member of the same party).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crat3 says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sen. Clinton should be the Democratic presidential nominee. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. He clinched a stolen nomination with hijacked MI delegates, and de facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Obama hijacked the election&#8230;even though both of them agreed to the rules put forth?  C&#39;mon&#8230;I think if you were willing to vote for Hillary, then what really is stopping you from voting for Obama?  It&#39;s an honest question, looking for an honest answer.  What really separates the two?  Please, articulate for me, why you would be so willing to vote for Hillary, but not ready to vote for Obama (might I add, a member of the same party).</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy to report that every (ex) Hillary supporter I personally know (including women in the 60&#039;s, 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s- and a couple of those were ardent Hillary supporters) are now supporting Obama.  And some of those older women are white and live in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, California and Alabama. Even though some of these ex-Hillary supporters are independents, they find more in common with Obama than they do with McCain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course there are some Hillary supporters out there who find more in common with McCain and will vote for him.  There&#039;s absolutely nothing wrong with voting for the candidate who reflects one&#039;s views.  I am more than happy to debate the issues with both Obama and McCain supporters as long as the Obama supporters and the McCain supporters seek a genuine dialogue- doesn&#039;t even have to be about changing someone&#039;s mind as to who to vote for, but I know there are some issues that I am in agreement with McCain and positions I am in agreement with Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let the debate over the issues begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m happy to report that every (ex) Hillary supporter I personally know (including women in the 60&#39;s, 70&#39;s and 80&#39;s- and a couple of those were ardent Hillary supporters) are now supporting Obama.  And some of those older women are white and live in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, California and Alabama. Even though some of these ex-Hillary supporters are independents, they find more in common with Obama than they do with McCain.</p>
<p>Of course there are some Hillary supporters out there who find more in common with McCain and will vote for him.  There&#39;s absolutely nothing wrong with voting for the candidate who reflects one&#39;s views.  I am more than happy to debate the issues with both Obama and McCain supporters as long as the Obama supporters and the McCain supporters seek a genuine dialogue- doesn&#39;t even have to be about changing someone&#39;s mind as to who to vote for, but I know there are some issues that I am in agreement with McCain and positions I am in agreement with Obama.</p>
<p>Let the debate over the issues begin!</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I listen to the Clinton die-hards, the more I think that it&#039;s all about her and not about the country...which is the message that I think she sent out to America.  Let me ask:  Are you serious?  Do you really want to sacrifice those beliefs you hold dear to allow McCain to do what he wants?  If that&#039;s the case, then it&#039;s pretty hard to have an honest conversation about politics with you.  If you are so embedded with Hillary, then you might as well vote for Nader.  Everyone likes to complain about that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I listen to the Clinton die-hards, the more I think that it&#39;s all about her and not about the country&#8230;which is the message that I think she sent out to America.  Let me ask:  Are you serious?  Do you really want to sacrifice those beliefs you hold dear to allow McCain to do what he wants?  If that&#39;s the case, then it&#39;s pretty hard to have an honest conversation about politics with you.  If you are so embedded with Hillary, then you might as well vote for Nader.  Everyone likes to complain about that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mlhradio</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do not feed the Clinton Trolls such as crat3 and HollyinCinninnati.  By replying to the Trolls, you are only giving them the attention they crave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not feed the Clinton Trolls such as crat3 and HollyinCinninnati.  By replying to the Trolls, you are only giving them the attention they crave.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Hillary is VP on the ticket, Obama wins but is a one-termer because of her LURKING SPOUSE &amp; his shenanigans.  If Hillary is not the VP nominee, Obama loses &amp; her supporters vote for the old battle-scarred war hero.......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like the Ayatollah in signing a truce with Saddam, Obama has to &quot;drink the poisoned cup.&quot;   Choose Hillary, bitter as it is, or lose in the general.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hillary is VP on the ticket, Obama wins but is a one-termer because of her LURKING SPOUSE &#038; his shenanigans.  If Hillary is not the VP nominee, Obama loses &#038; her supporters vote for the old battle-scarred war hero&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Like the Ayatollah in signing a truce with Saddam, Obama has to &#8220;drink the poisoned cup.&#8221;   Choose Hillary, bitter as it is, or lose in the general&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Holly_in_Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly_in_Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will not matter how enthusiastically Sen. Clinton endorses Sen. Obama or works for his election, many if not most of her supporters have no intention of voting for Obama, let alone working for his election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will not matter how enthusiastically Sen. Clinton endorses Sen. Obama or works for his election, many if not most of her supporters have no intention of voting for Obama, let alone working for his election.</p>
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		<title>By: crat3</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen. Clinton should be the Democratic presidential nominee. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. He clinched a stolen nomination with hijacked MI delegates, and de facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sen. Clinton&#039;s supporters in the swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan should work for Obama&#039;s defeat and vote for McCain. Obama must win atleast three of these states in November. I will volunteer and vote for McCain in a swing state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sen. Clinton won the primaries for all four swing states. She was the best qualified and the strongest presidential candidate to win the general election in a landslide victory hands down. This was trumped by Pelosi&#039;s rigged nomination for Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The key for Obama to win in November lies with Sen. Clinton&#039;s supporters in the swing states; for Obama, that key is lost for 2008 but it opens the door to 2012 for Sen. Clinton, when she can reform a corrupt Democratic Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Clinton should be the Democratic presidential nominee. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. He clinched a stolen nomination with hijacked MI delegates, and de facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.</p>
<p>Sen. Clinton&#39;s supporters in the swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan should work for Obama&#39;s defeat and vote for McCain. Obama must win atleast three of these states in November. I will volunteer and vote for McCain in a swing state.</p>
<p>Sen. Clinton won the primaries for all four swing states. She was the best qualified and the strongest presidential candidate to win the general election in a landslide victory hands down. This was trumped by Pelosi&#39;s rigged nomination for Obama. </p>
<p>The key for Obama to win in November lies with Sen. Clinton&#39;s supporters in the swing states; for Obama, that key is lost for 2008 but it opens the door to 2012 for Sen. Clinton, when she can reform a corrupt Democratic Party.</p>
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