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		<title>By: Hillary For Veep? Really? &#124; Rosalie Downs</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20175/hillary-for-veep-really/comment-page-1/#comment-216714</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary For Veep? Really? &#124; Rosalie Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is Hillary really in a position to bargain? She&#8217;s obviously been mulling it over for a while. In this interview with BET founder Robert Johnson, Johnson recalls talking to HRC about the possibility as early as last month. And while for some, an Obama/Clinton ticket seems to be a dream one, for others, including former President Jimmy Carter, it&#8217;s a bad, bad idea. more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is Hillary really in a position to bargain? She&#8217;s obviously been mulling it over for a while. In this interview with BET founder Robert Johnson, Johnson recalls talking to HRC about the possibility as early as last month. And while for some, an Obama/Clinton ticket seems to be a dream one, for others, including former President Jimmy Carter, it&#8217;s a bad, bad idea. more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20175/hillary-for-veep-really/comment-page-1/#comment-135321</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She can help &#039;em or sink &#039;em, so they&#039;ll buy her off.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This could be literal: She could demand they pay her campaign debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She can help &#39;em or sink &#39;em, so they&#39;ll buy her off.&#8221;</p>
<p>This could be literal: She could demand they pay her campaign debt.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20175/hillary-for-veep-really/comment-page-1/#comment-135320</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But Clinton *is* holding those voters ransom. When 50% of Democrats prefer Clinton, that&#039;s a powerful bargaining chip, no matter how ugly. Obama can&#039;t afford to shrug that off.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think Hillary or anyone is holding most of those voters ransom.  That suggests that her voters will do as she says.  However there are a few hardcore Hillary supporters who will withhold their support from Obama until Hillary gives them the go-ahead.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hillary has already said she will do whatever it takes to make sure there is a Democrat voted into the WH in Nov.  Now she&#039;s saying that she&#039;ll only do so on her terms, and not the terms that are best for the Dems.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even though most Hillary supporters will vote for Obama, Hillary&#039;s reluctance to endorse Obama only shows that the Dems can&#039;t get their own party together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But Clinton *is* holding those voters ransom. When 50% of Democrats prefer Clinton, that&#39;s a powerful bargaining chip, no matter how ugly. Obama can&#39;t afford to shrug that off.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think Hillary or anyone is holding most of those voters ransom.  That suggests that her voters will do as she says.  However there are a few hardcore Hillary supporters who will withhold their support from Obama until Hillary gives them the go-ahead.  </p>
<p>Hillary has already said she will do whatever it takes to make sure there is a Democrat voted into the WH in Nov.  Now she&#39;s saying that she&#39;ll only do so on her terms, and not the terms that are best for the Dems.  </p>
<p>Even though most Hillary supporters will vote for Obama, Hillary&#39;s reluctance to endorse Obama only shows that the Dems can&#39;t get their own party together.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20175/hillary-for-veep-really/comment-page-1/#comment-135319</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see it either as I don&#039;t see either one wanting to endure the upstaging from the other. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The real trick for Obama is to keep the hardcore Hillaryites from leaving the ranch, however that is best done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the last four months there has been Iraq, the economy, McCain is Bush, oil prices, house prices, bomb Iran, etc,. and let&#039;s not forget the voices of TMV. Despite all of it, Obama can&#039;t sneak more than a point or two ahead of McCain. (If he was that good, why isn&#039;t he 25 points ahead with every landscape issue tilted in his favor?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Needless to say, Obama can hardly afford the loss of any Hillary votes. You better believe she has plenty of chips left to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see it either as I don&#39;t see either one wanting to endure the upstaging from the other. </p>
<p>The real trick for Obama is to keep the hardcore Hillaryites from leaving the ranch, however that is best done.</p>
<p>For the last four months there has been Iraq, the economy, McCain is Bush, oil prices, house prices, bomb Iran, etc,. and let&#39;s not forget the voices of TMV. Despite all of it, Obama can&#39;t sneak more than a point or two ahead of McCain. (If he was that good, why isn&#39;t he 25 points ahead with every landscape issue tilted in his favor?)</p>
<p>Needless to say, Obama can hardly afford the loss of any Hillary votes. You better believe she has plenty of chips left to play.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But Clinton *is* holding those voters ransom. When 50% of Democrats prefer Clinton, that&#039;s a powerful bargaining chip, no matter how ugly. Obama can&#039;t afford to shrug that off.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;VP was just her counter-offer. We may not know what the final real price was until well after the election. Count on her campaign debt being only part of it. But you&#039;re right--Obama and the DNC have to cut a deal with her to have any hope of the WHite House. She can help &#039;em or sink &#039;em, so they&#039;ll buy her off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Clinton *is* holding those voters ransom. When 50% of Democrats prefer Clinton, that&#39;s a powerful bargaining chip, no matter how ugly. Obama can&#39;t afford to shrug that off.</i></p>
<p>VP was just her counter-offer. We may not know what the final real price was until well after the election. Count on her campaign debt being only part of it. But you&#39;re right&#8211;Obama and the DNC have to cut a deal with her to have any hope of the WHite House. She can help &#39;em or sink &#39;em, so they&#39;ll buy her off.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the Clinton-haters on the Left (who have been worse, for months, than those on the Right were toward her in earlier years) become outraged, calm down and think about it.  (Yes, it&#039;s hard.  But you have to try.  Really.  Try to think.)  While she would probably be a resentful VP and probably be worse than a mere meddler (the fear everyone has is that she&#039;d try to take over things again for another four to eight years as unofficial President), you have to look through the pink clouds that she threatens to soil and realize that the Obama administration you dream of will be influenced and often controlled by the party establishment, not limited only to the Clintons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nothing&#039;s conclusive, but the Clintons tried running Washington like Arkansas and encountered problems, and Bush tried running Washington like Texas and encountered problems, and so don&#039;t expect Obama to get all he wants.  And just what will he want?  He&#039;s never told us.  Is he going to be like Blagojevich in Illinois, who has often been weak and, along with his state&#039;s political reputation, laughable.  In fact, if Obama does try to be like that, he deserves to lose the general election.  &quot;Free&quot; (vote-buying at the basest level) transit rides to senior citizens?  (Children next, the expected kind of incrementalism?)  Will Obama be like that offering government goodies to as many interest groups and try to buy as many votes in that same manner among those Dem-preferring voters who are the most willing to offer their votes (themselves) for sale?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When McCain starts asking those questions, he as well as the general election will begin to become interesting.  The same will be true once Obama starts answering those questions and providing us more information we want and have yet to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the Clinton-haters on the Left (who have been worse, for months, than those on the Right were toward her in earlier years) become outraged, calm down and think about it.  (Yes, it&#39;s hard.  But you have to try.  Really.  Try to think.)  While she would probably be a resentful VP and probably be worse than a mere meddler (the fear everyone has is that she&#39;d try to take over things again for another four to eight years as unofficial President), you have to look through the pink clouds that she threatens to soil and realize that the Obama administration you dream of will be influenced and often controlled by the party establishment, not limited only to the Clintons.</p>
<p>Nothing&#39;s conclusive, but the Clintons tried running Washington like Arkansas and encountered problems, and Bush tried running Washington like Texas and encountered problems, and so don&#39;t expect Obama to get all he wants.  And just what will he want?  He&#39;s never told us.  Is he going to be like Blagojevich in Illinois, who has often been weak and, along with his state&#39;s political reputation, laughable.  In fact, if Obama does try to be like that, he deserves to lose the general election.  &#8220;Free&#8221; (vote-buying at the basest level) transit rides to senior citizens?  (Children next, the expected kind of incrementalism?)  Will Obama be like that offering government goodies to as many interest groups and try to buy as many votes in that same manner among those Dem-preferring voters who are the most willing to offer their votes (themselves) for sale?</p>
<p>When McCain starts asking those questions, he as well as the general election will begin to become interesting.  The same will be true once Obama starts answering those questions and providing us more information we want and have yet to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: saintixe56</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20175/hillary-for-veep-really/comment-page-1/#comment-135316</link>
		<dc:creator>saintixe56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Says Clyburn “We got more vitriolic, nasty phone calls, really racially tinged phone calls in my congressional office, so much so, until one of the interns, a young lady who is not a stranger to politics … and she is not a black person, she left the office, had to be consoled because of the kinds of phone calls from people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters,” he said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;yet I stll accept HRC as Veep choice because we need to stand united.&lt;br&gt;and I still hope that when she is veep and when the GE is over and O hopefully in the WH&lt;br&gt;real politics can start&lt;br&gt;otherwise&lt;br&gt;any failure at succeeding the gambit will- well say good bye to BO though at least he gave the dream&lt;br&gt;as for HRC no decent democrat will vote for her; the backlash will be unprecented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Says Clyburn “We got more vitriolic, nasty phone calls, really racially tinged phone calls in my congressional office, so much so, until one of the interns, a young lady who is not a stranger to politics … and she is not a black person, she left the office, had to be consoled because of the kinds of phone calls from people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters,” he said.</p>
<p>yet I stll accept HRC as Veep choice because we need to stand united.<br />and I still hope that when she is veep and when the GE is over and O hopefully in the WH<br />real politics can start<br />otherwise<br />any failure at succeeding the gambit will- well say good bye to BO though at least he gave the dream<br />as for HRC no decent democrat will vote for her; the backlash will be unprecented.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think accountability matters. But Clinton *is* holding those voters ransom. When 50% of Democrats prefer Clinton, that&#039;s a powerful bargaining chip, no matter how ugly. Obama can&#039;t afford to shrug that off. He can choose the higher ground, or he can compromise. I think he&#039;s quite capable of making either decision, since both choices would have significant pros and cons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think accountability matters. But Clinton *is* holding those voters ransom. When 50% of Democrats prefer Clinton, that&#39;s a powerful bargaining chip, no matter how ugly. Obama can&#39;t afford to shrug that off. He can choose the higher ground, or he can compromise. I think he&#39;s quite capable of making either decision, since both choices would have significant pros and cons.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is too savvy to make a blunder like choosing Sen. Clinton for his VP. And as has been noted, she&#039;s engaged in far too many Rovian tactics over the course of her campaign to deserve it. Accountability does matter right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is too savvy to make a blunder like choosing Sen. Clinton for his VP. And as has been noted, she&#39;s engaged in far too many Rovian tactics over the course of her campaign to deserve it. Accountability does matter right?</p>
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