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	<title>Comments on: Gay marriage, the GOP, &amp; the albatross</title>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20169/gay-marriage-the-gop-the-albatross/comment-page-1/#comment-147940</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS- I agree that widespread approval of gay marriage would not be a mainstream position. If it was, we would have approved it here in  liberal Maryland by now. &lt;br&gt;There are many in the black community churches here(who largely vote Democrat) who  also abhor gay marriage. Karl was hoping to pick up some of those votes (as was the unsuccessful black GOP Senate candidate Michael Steele) for Republicans by bringing forth the wedge issue in 2004 and 2006. Karl actually recruited Steele -- a fact which helped to defeat him when it became public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS- I agree that widespread approval of gay marriage would not be a mainstream position. If it was, we would have approved it here in  liberal Maryland by now. <br />There are many in the black community churches here(who largely vote Democrat) who  also abhor gay marriage. Karl was hoping to pick up some of those votes (as was the unsuccessful black GOP Senate candidate Michael Steele) for Republicans by bringing forth the wedge issue in 2004 and 2006. Karl actually recruited Steele &#8212; a fact which helped to defeat him when it became public.</p>
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		<title>By: having gay sex</title>
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		<dc:creator>having gay sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: james at 15</title>
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		<dc:creator>james at 15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, K., outlawing abortion (a federal probition, in particular) is out of the mainstream (as is the extremist position in favor of unrestricted and 100% government-provided abortion and fanatical law-and-morality-free rabid defense of Roe v. Wade and vicious attacks on anyone who even seems to frown at it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, K., outlawing abortion (a federal probition, in particular) is out of the mainstream (as is the extremist position in favor of unrestricted and 100% government-provided abortion and fanatical law-and-morality-free rabid defense of Roe v. Wade and vicious attacks on anyone who even seems to frown at it).</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20169/gay-marriage-the-gop-the-albatross/comment-page-1/#comment-147938</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I honestly think the GOP&#039;s stand on the issue has more to do with getting the votes of the religious right than any genuine conviction. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It depends on the behavior and especially on the worst and most newsworthy behavior of the advocates of gay marriage.  The USA, despite mischaracterizations when it is convenient for some, is not now the way it was in the 1950s and early 1960s.  Mainstream society objects to extremism and pushing too hard, too harshly, or too loudly by some in the activist community who become their group-of-concern&#039;s worst enemy.  Plenty outside the religious right would object to rushing to push gay marriage too hard, too quickly (many people view marriage in the traditional sense and that is in no way evil).  Plenty of people also object to judicial activism and leftist misuse of the courts as a political weapon -- particularly if the objective is counter to the general community&#039;s desires.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain knows he and the GOP can get swing votes and other non-liberal votes in addition to the religious right votes, easily, on this issue, particularly if the other side is strident and obnoxious in any way or misuses the courts to get what they want instead of getting it the correct, legitimate way, through state legislatures.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And no, that doesn&#039;t make any and every &quot;general community&quot; a Jim Crow conspiracy.  Forego the lies in advance, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I honestly think the GOP&#39;s stand on the issue has more to do with getting the votes of the religious right than any genuine conviction. &#8220;</p>
<p>It depends on the behavior and especially on the worst and most newsworthy behavior of the advocates of gay marriage.  The USA, despite mischaracterizations when it is convenient for some, is not now the way it was in the 1950s and early 1960s.  Mainstream society objects to extremism and pushing too hard, too harshly, or too loudly by some in the activist community who become their group-of-concern&#39;s worst enemy.  Plenty outside the religious right would object to rushing to push gay marriage too hard, too quickly (many people view marriage in the traditional sense and that is in no way evil).  Plenty of people also object to judicial activism and leftist misuse of the courts as a political weapon &#8212; particularly if the objective is counter to the general community&#39;s desires.</p>
<p>McCain knows he and the GOP can get swing votes and other non-liberal votes in addition to the religious right votes, easily, on this issue, particularly if the other side is strident and obnoxious in any way or misuses the courts to get what they want instead of getting it the correct, legitimate way, through state legislatures.</p>
<p>And no, that doesn&#39;t make any and every &#8220;general community&#8221; a Jim Crow conspiracy.  Forego the lies in advance, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly think the GOP&#039;s stand on the issue has more to do with getting the votes of the religious right than any genuine conviction. Karl Rove noticed that the churches would organize members of their congregation for the Republican party around this issue and around outlawing abortion. It just comes down to getting reliable votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly think the GOP&#39;s stand on the issue has more to do with getting the votes of the religious right than any genuine conviction. Karl Rove noticed that the churches would organize members of their congregation for the Republican party around this issue and around outlawing abortion. It just comes down to getting reliable votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/20169/gay-marriage-the-gop-the-albatross/comment-page-1/#comment-147936</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay marriage is just another issue that far right conservatives are just flat out wrong on.   Someday it is my dream that the GOP will stop being scared and overreacting to things that aren&#039;t really threatening them.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What we need is legislation protecting marriage from the Brittany&#039;s and Kfeds of the world, from lets get married gameshows and the 60% of people who get divorced.   Fix those issues and you&#039;d be doing the institution of marriage a real service.  But its easier to pick on fags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay marriage is just another issue that far right conservatives are just flat out wrong on.   Someday it is my dream that the GOP will stop being scared and overreacting to things that aren&#39;t really threatening them.   </p>
<p>What we need is legislation protecting marriage from the Brittany&#39;s and Kfeds of the world, from lets get married gameshows and the 60% of people who get divorced.   Fix those issues and you&#39;d be doing the institution of marriage a real service.  But its easier to pick on fags.</p>
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