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		<title>By: plates tectonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>plates tectonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unless he either makes massive cuts elsewhere or proposes huge tax increase&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How bout both?  Get out of Iraq and cut the military budget to $300 billion, which still leaves us a bigger budget than the next 9 militaries combined, this will save us $400 billion right there.   Then repeal the Bush tax cuts and generate another coupla hundred billion in taxes.   Balance the budget, strengthen the dollar, and get us back on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unless he either makes massive cuts elsewhere or proposes huge tax increase&#8221;</p>
<p>How bout both?  Get out of Iraq and cut the military budget to $300 billion, which still leaves us a bigger budget than the next 9 militaries combined, this will save us $400 billion right there.   Then repeal the Bush tax cuts and generate another coupla hundred billion in taxes.   Balance the budget, strengthen the dollar, and get us back on track.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problems of social conservatives don&#039;t really keep me up at night, because there is no law preventing them from  practising social conservatism in their private lives.  No law has ever ben proposed requiring anyone to enter into a same-sex marriage or to have abortions.&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re really talking about social conservatives wanting to enforce their life style on others and resistance to such enforcement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Social conservatives and social liberals have vast areas of common concern, one example being teen pregnancy., while another is the fate of unwanted, abused  or abandoned children.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Instead of fighting about that which there is no agreemnet, I think it would be much more fruitful to deal with problems of common concern on a pragmatic level.&lt;br&gt;Then, everyone could go home to live as they wish.  &lt;br&gt;Th Democrats accept and promote several compromise propositions.  It&#039;s up to individuals to decide if they can live with ocmpromise, or if they would rather devote their time fighting for uncompromised dominance and the backlash to such eforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems of social conservatives don&#39;t really keep me up at night, because there is no law preventing them from  practising social conservatism in their private lives.  No law has ever ben proposed requiring anyone to enter into a same-sex marriage or to have abortions.<br />We&#39;re really talking about social conservatives wanting to enforce their life style on others and resistance to such enforcement.</p>
<p>Social conservatives and social liberals have vast areas of common concern, one example being teen pregnancy., while another is the fate of unwanted, abused  or abandoned children.  </p>
<p>Instead of fighting about that which there is no agreemnet, I think it would be much more fruitful to deal with problems of common concern on a pragmatic level.<br />Then, everyone could go home to live as they wish.  <br />Th Democrats accept and promote several compromise propositions.  It&#39;s up to individuals to decide if they can live with ocmpromise, or if they would rather devote their time fighting for uncompromised dominance and the backlash to such eforts.</p>
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		<title>By: janinedm</title>
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		<dc:creator>janinedm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the mainstream Democrats&#039; defense of Choice is part of a framework. You have to remember that the ideal mainstream Democratic social policy also reduces the amount of unwanted pregnancies before they even take place through sex ed, after school programs, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the mainstream Democrats&#39; defense of Choice is part of a framework. You have to remember that the ideal mainstream Democratic social policy also reduces the amount of unwanted pregnancies before they even take place through sex ed, after school programs, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: RememberNovember</title>
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		<dc:creator>RememberNovember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worked out pretty well in the 90&#039;s after GHWB&#039;s  tenure as President.  &lt;br&gt;- Bush&#039;s ballooning of  our Government-turning it into a big brother; cops on every corner and National Guard bitching about smoke breaks when they could have been helping out in oh, say N.O..  Free stuff? I&#039;m not seeing any. unless you include the pittance being mailed out to me that wouldn&#039;t cover a month&#039;s mortgage...Bush has money to give out when he&#039;s spending hundreds of billions on an illegitmate operation? And the dollar is worth how much against the Canadian or Euro.....hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worked out pretty well in the 90&#39;s after GHWB&#39;s  tenure as President.  <br />- Bush&#39;s ballooning of  our Government-turning it into a big brother; cops on every corner and National Guard bitching about smoke breaks when they could have been helping out in oh, say N.O..  Free stuff? I&#39;m not seeing any. unless you include the pittance being mailed out to me that wouldn&#39;t cover a month&#39;s mortgage&#8230;Bush has money to give out when he&#39;s spending hundreds of billions on an illegitmate operation? And the dollar is worth how much against the Canadian or Euro&#8230;..hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manchester2:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a toughie, but if your views on abortion trump all, then you will have to hold your nose and vote for McCain, who incidentally has flip-flopped on the issue over the years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are things about Obama that trouble me, not the least of which is his real-world experience, but I voted for him on Super Tuesday and will again in November because we need to take back America from the thugs who have been running it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manchester2:</p>
<p>This is a toughie, but if your views on abortion trump all, then you will have to hold your nose and vote for McCain, who incidentally has flip-flopped on the issue over the years.</p>
<p>There are things about Obama that trouble me, not the least of which is his real-world experience, but I voted for him on Super Tuesday and will again in November because we need to take back America from the thugs who have been running it.</p>
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		<title>By: Manchester2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manchester2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, do you think there is a place for a social conservative within the Democratic party? As I look at the current choices, here&#039;s what I see:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Vote for Obama -- This would go against pro-life principles that have been at the forefront of my thinking for years, not to mention my discomfort over his views on gay &quot;marriage.&quot; Also, he doesn&#039;t come across as much of a fiscal conservative, and his refusal to do anything to fix Social Security troubles me. On the plus side, I like what he has to say about bringing people together, and find him to be a compelling speaker, one I think would make a genuine effort to tamp down partisan bickering in Washington. On the world stage, he would be embraced with open arms, and his emphasis upon diplomacy would be a needed corrective.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  A vote for McCain -- I think McCain has understood that terrorism is real, and &quot;making nice&quot; with terrorists is a non-starter. However, his legendary bluster with Senate colleagues could potentially be disastrous in negotiating situations on the world stage. On the positive side, he gets it in regards to global warming (believes in it), and is a strong supporter of the unborn. As a speaker, he&#039;s awful, and pales next to Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So...both choices have their problems. I honestly think that if pro-life Democrat wasn&#039;t an oxymoron, I could be one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, do you think there is a place for a social conservative within the Democratic party? As I look at the current choices, here&#39;s what I see:</p>
<p>1. Vote for Obama &#8212; This would go against pro-life principles that have been at the forefront of my thinking for years, not to mention my discomfort over his views on gay &#8220;marriage.&#8221; Also, he doesn&#39;t come across as much of a fiscal conservative, and his refusal to do anything to fix Social Security troubles me. On the plus side, I like what he has to say about bringing people together, and find him to be a compelling speaker, one I think would make a genuine effort to tamp down partisan bickering in Washington. On the world stage, he would be embraced with open arms, and his emphasis upon diplomacy would be a needed corrective.</p>
<p>2.  A vote for McCain &#8212; I think McCain has understood that terrorism is real, and &#8220;making nice&#8221; with terrorists is a non-starter. However, his legendary bluster with Senate colleagues could potentially be disastrous in negotiating situations on the world stage. On the positive side, he gets it in regards to global warming (believes in it), and is a strong supporter of the unborn. As a speaker, he&#39;s awful, and pales next to Obama. </p>
<p>So&#8230;both choices have their problems. I honestly think that if pro-life Democrat wasn&#39;t an oxymoron, I could be one.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the Bush Administration has been the ultimate in incompetence, why try to repeat it with just different groups getting the government goodies.  The Bush Administration has been so bad, the Republican Party is probably going to cease to exist as a relevant political party.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The government is running $440 billion deficits.  Yet, Senator Obama is proposing massive increases in spending.  Why not ask how be plans to balance the budget. Unless he either makes massive cuts elsewhere or proposes huge tax increase, I guess that the new way of government spending is going to look like the old way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Bush Administration has been the ultimate in incompetence, why try to repeat it with just different groups getting the government goodies.  The Bush Administration has been so bad, the Republican Party is probably going to cease to exist as a relevant political party.  </p>
<p>The government is running $440 billion deficits.  Yet, Senator Obama is proposing massive increases in spending.  Why not ask how be plans to balance the budget. Unless he either makes massive cuts elsewhere or proposes huge tax increase, I guess that the new way of government spending is going to look like the old way.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what most people support is the idea that the government is going to give them more free stuff ans stick someone else with the bill. &quot; - SD&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not very convincing rhetoric in the wake of GWB. So what are all the great things the republicans gave us for all the money we&#039;ve spent this century so far? Please remind me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what most people support is the idea that the government is going to give them more free stuff ans stick someone else with the bill. &#8221; &#8211; SD</p>
<p>Not very convincing rhetoric in the wake of GWB. So what are all the great things the republicans gave us for all the money we&#39;ve spent this century so far? Please remind me.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that most people support the Democratic party on the issues is a slight misstatement.  what most people support is the idea that the government is going to give them more free stuff ans stick someone else with the bill. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is also hard to see that Senator obama is the new way when his policy proposals are most beneficial to the core Democratic party groups l ike public sector employees, college and university employees, the teachers unions, unions in general, and to those NGO&#039;s that depend upon the government. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The real question is would you tell anyone to think about a career in engineering, health care, transportation, or anything in the private sector with the coming on the Democratic supermajority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that most people support the Democratic party on the issues is a slight misstatement.  what most people support is the idea that the government is going to give them more free stuff ans stick someone else with the bill. </p>
<p>It is also hard to see that Senator obama is the new way when his policy proposals are most beneficial to the core Democratic party groups l ike public sector employees, college and university employees, the teachers unions, unions in general, and to those NGO&#39;s that depend upon the government. </p>
<p>The real question is would you tell anyone to think about a career in engineering, health care, transportation, or anything in the private sector with the coming on the Democratic supermajority?</p>
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