Comments on: Wheezing and Whining: The Self-Glorification and Self-Condescension of Hillary Clinton http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:12:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-143318 StockBoySF Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:37:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/#comment-143318 I also meant to mention in my original comment, under my alternative spin, this:<br><br>"While Hillary may have made a small measure of progress in some states, in other states where she won, most notably California, current polls show she is now trailing Obama by good margins." I also meant to mention in my original comment, under my alternative spin, this:

“While Hillary may have made a small measure of progress in some states, in other states where she won, most notably California, current polls show she is now trailing Obama by good margins.”

]]> By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-143317 StockBoySF Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:33:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/#comment-143317 DLS, I think part of what is driving Hillary's continued effort is to paydown the campaign debt (including money the campaign owes to her). And if she can recoup money then more power to her. <br><br>I think another reason she is stil pursuing this is to show that she is still viable. She'll leave the campaign a very different person (politically) then she started out as. Showing that she "narrowly" lost the nomination will give her more strength than if she had "lost be a landslide".<br><br>DAD1 and DLS, as far as Obama backing off... yeah, I can see that. But I'll have to think some more on it before deciding one way or the other- thanks! DLS, I think part of what is driving Hillary's continued effort is to paydown the campaign debt (including money the campaign owes to her). And if she can recoup money then more power to her.

I think another reason she is stil pursuing this is to show that she is still viable. She'll leave the campaign a very different person (politically) then she started out as. Showing that she “narrowly” lost the nomination will give her more strength than if she had “lost be a landslide”.

DAD1 and DLS, as far as Obama backing off… yeah, I can see that. But I'll have to think some more on it before deciding one way or the other- thanks!

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-143316 DLS Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:14:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/#comment-143316 "her campaign is deeply into debt by tens of millions of dollars"<br><br>Are she and her husband still in this in order to try to reduce the debt, or even end in a surplus (receive an effective windfall) if they persist?<br><br>* * *<br><br>"once Mr. Obama saw that the nomination was essentially his he stopped the hard campaigning and spending that he would have normally done"<br><br>Yes. He does have some problems, but remains the stronger Dem and yes, he backed off and probably (gee, this is difficult to envision) starting to shift in earnest from opposing Clinton to opposing McCain in anticipation of his likely nomination. “her campaign is deeply into debt by tens of millions of dollars”

Are she and her husband still in this in order to try to reduce the debt, or even end in a surplus (receive an effective windfall) if they persist?

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“once Mr. Obama saw that the nomination was essentially his he stopped the hard campaigning and spending that he would have normally done”

Yes. He does have some problems, but remains the stronger Dem and yes, he backed off and probably (gee, this is difficult to envision) starting to shift in earnest from opposing Clinton to opposing McCain in anticipation of his likely nomination.

]]> By: DAD1 http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-143315 DAD1 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:29:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/#comment-143315 One thing that people seem to be forgetting is that once Mr. Obama saw that the nomination was essentially his he stopped the hard campaigning and spending that he would have normally done. Had he continued to spend money on ads in places like Kentucky and West Virginia and Puerto Rico it would have forced Ms Clinton to spend more and just may have forced her out of the race earlier because she would have had even more severe money problems. One thing that people seem to be forgetting is that once Mr. Obama saw that the nomination was essentially his he stopped the hard campaigning and spending that he would have normally done. Had he continued to spend money on ads in places like Kentucky and West Virginia and Puerto Rico it would have forced Ms Clinton to spend more and just may have forced her out of the race earlier because she would have had even more severe money problems.

]]> By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-143314 StockBoySF Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:59:43 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/#comment-143314 Thanks, Michael for the post. I agree. I'd also like to point out that the 500,000 spread btwn. Obama and Hillary represents just 4% of the vote- hardly overwhelming. Furthermore Obama has won something like 35 contests.<br><br>I think another spin to this is: After Hillary lost 11 contests in a row she made a little bit of a comeback, winning just 7 of the 13 contest and netting only 500,000 more votes. Her campaign, while pulling ahead a little in these last contests, has not made any big inroads into Obama's lead and is still limping behind him overall. Furthermore her campaign is deeply into debt by tens of millions of dollars whereas Obama continues to raise large sums of money. :) Thanks, Michael for the post. I agree. I'd also like to point out that the 500,000 spread btwn. Obama and Hillary represents just 4% of the vote- hardly overwhelming. Furthermore Obama has won something like 35 contests.

I think another spin to this is: After Hillary lost 11 contests in a row she made a little bit of a comeback, winning just 7 of the 13 contest and netting only 500,000 more votes. Her campaign, while pulling ahead a little in these last contests, has not made any big inroads into Obama's lead and is still limping behind him overall. Furthermore her campaign is deeply into debt by tens of millions of dollars whereas Obama continues to raise large sums of money. :)

]]> By: runasim http://themoderatevoice.com/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-143313 runasim Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:56:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20102/wheezing-and-whining-the-self-glorification-and-self-condescension-of-hillary-clinton/#comment-143313 Hillary is a strong candidate becasue she knows how to use everything I dislike about politics.<br>Particularly offensive are her attempts to change the rules of the game in the middle of the game.<br>Playing by the rules, the nominee is not selected by popular vote, Hillary! Hillary is a strong candidate becasue she knows how to use everything I dislike about politics.
Particularly offensive are her attempts to change the rules of the game in the middle of the game.
Playing by the rules, the nominee is not selected by popular vote, Hillary!

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