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	<title>Comments on: How Obama And Clinton Will Likely End Democratic Primaries (UPDATE 3)</title>
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		<title>By: tinafeld</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Hillary sees the end in sight...she&#039;s sending out a hilarious (&amp; fake) resume in pursuit of the Vice Presidency:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.visualcv.com/cillaryhinton/mypublicvisualcv&quot;&gt;http://www.visualcv.com/cillaryhinton/mypublicv...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Hillary sees the end in sight&#8230;she&#39;s sending out a hilarious (&#038; fake) resume in pursuit of the Vice Presidency:</p>
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		<title>By: My new WordPress MU Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Obama And Clinton Will Likely End Democratic Primaries</title>
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		<description>[...] Suzie-Q wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptHillary Clinton will be offered a dignified exit from the presidential race and the prospect of a place in Barack Obama’s cabinet under plans for a “negotiated surrender” of her White House ambitions being drawn up by Senator Obama’s &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Obama And Clinton Will Likely End Democratic Primaries</title>
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		<title>By: race unity day</title>
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		<dc:creator>race unity day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on each side of the nearly evenly divided Democratic party continuing to be increasingly irrithttp://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20086/how-obama-and-clinton-will-likely-end-de...Democrats wrestle with Florida and Michigan dispute Reuters via Yahoo! News The Democratic Party [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would really like to see, is Harold Ickes asked why, if the outcomes of the Michigan and Florida primaries were so unfair to the people who voted, did he help shape the rules and procedures and PUNISHMENTS that gave us this result?  I was flabbergasted when he used the word &quot;gall&quot; yesterday.  He has displayed the same type of gall as someone who murder&#039;s his parents and asks the court to have mercy on him because he is an orphan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would really like to see, is Harold Ickes asked why, if the outcomes of the Michigan and Florida primaries were so unfair to the people who voted, did he help shape the rules and procedures and PUNISHMENTS that gave us this result?  I was flabbergasted when he used the word &#8220;gall&#8221; yesterday.  He has displayed the same type of gall as someone who murder&#39;s his parents and asks the court to have mercy on him because he is an orphan.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryan, thanks for the comments and insight (both to me and to metalluk).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryan, thanks for the comments and insight (both to me and to metalluk).</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>metalluk - thank you for your insights.  One thing that was clear during this primary is that there is a real divide among Democrats in what they are looking for in a candidate.  My sense of things is that the Obama supporters are those who believe that Washington is broken and needs an overhaul, and to them Clinton represents more of the same broken political system.  The Clinton supporters seem to be those who feel that what is broken in Washington is that the wrong side is in power, and thus are most interested in seeing the person most capable of winning and running the existing Washington machine.  Your comments seem to reflect that sentiment if I&#039;m understanding them correctly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;StockBoySF - I&#039;ve spent some time over the past week or two reading comments on sites like Taylor Marsh (scary!), DailyKos (some are surprisingly insightful, although bitterly partisan) and a few other sites, and today I read through a number of comments to an article on CNN.  The CNN comments were probably most instructive - like metalluk, a lot of Clinton supporters see Obama as completely unfit for the job; the argument is probably valid if you view the Presidency as one person pushing a lot of buttons, so it is up to Obama to make it clear that he views the job of the President not as the one who gets everything done, but as the person who sets the agenda and then puts people in position to get things done.  In any case, the view that Obama is unfit for the job leads to the question of &quot;how could he have won and how can we stop it&quot;, which in turn leads to some of the wild allegations, anger and win-at-all-costs ugliness that has erupted.  In addition, posters on DailyKos rightfully point to the poor behavior of many Obama supporters - a lot of them like Obama but hate the smug, self-righteous, and often insulting way that many of his online supporters act, and that has led to anger that the poor behavior was rewarded with a winning candidate.  I&#039;m not sure that this entirely explains the vitriol seen at yesterday&#039;s meeting, but it gives some insight into its origin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One addition for StockBoySF - I agree that Clinton has fanned the fires with the Michigan / Florida outrage, and will be surprised if all but her most hardcore supporters don&#039;t start to abandon ship if the campaign presses on with the dramatics.  That said, Clinton is very shrewd, and it&#039;s likely that some agreement (such as the health care czar role mentioned by Joe) will be reached to create a graceful end to the current mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>metalluk &#8211; thank you for your insights.  One thing that was clear during this primary is that there is a real divide among Democrats in what they are looking for in a candidate.  My sense of things is that the Obama supporters are those who believe that Washington is broken and needs an overhaul, and to them Clinton represents more of the same broken political system.  The Clinton supporters seem to be those who feel that what is broken in Washington is that the wrong side is in power, and thus are most interested in seeing the person most capable of winning and running the existing Washington machine.  Your comments seem to reflect that sentiment if I&#39;m understanding them correctly.</p>
<p>StockBoySF &#8211; I&#39;ve spent some time over the past week or two reading comments on sites like Taylor Marsh (scary!), DailyKos (some are surprisingly insightful, although bitterly partisan) and a few other sites, and today I read through a number of comments to an article on CNN.  The CNN comments were probably most instructive &#8211; like metalluk, a lot of Clinton supporters see Obama as completely unfit for the job; the argument is probably valid if you view the Presidency as one person pushing a lot of buttons, so it is up to Obama to make it clear that he views the job of the President not as the one who gets everything done, but as the person who sets the agenda and then puts people in position to get things done.  In any case, the view that Obama is unfit for the job leads to the question of &#8220;how could he have won and how can we stop it&#8221;, which in turn leads to some of the wild allegations, anger and win-at-all-costs ugliness that has erupted.  In addition, posters on DailyKos rightfully point to the poor behavior of many Obama supporters &#8211; a lot of them like Obama but hate the smug, self-righteous, and often insulting way that many of his online supporters act, and that has led to anger that the poor behavior was rewarded with a winning candidate.  I&#39;m not sure that this entirely explains the vitriol seen at yesterday&#39;s meeting, but it gives some insight into its origin.</p>
<p>One addition for StockBoySF &#8211; I agree that Clinton has fanned the fires with the Michigan / Florida outrage, and will be surprised if all but her most hardcore supporters don&#39;t start to abandon ship if the campaign presses on with the dramatics.  That said, Clinton is very shrewd, and it&#39;s likely that some agreement (such as the health care czar role mentioned by Joe) will be reached to create a graceful end to the current mess.</p>
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		<title>By: metalluk</title>
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		<dc:creator>metalluk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a lifelong, newly-retired, RI Democrat, white, male, and liberal.  Neither race nor gender is important to me in choosing a presidential candidate, though I acknowledge that I would enjoy seeing history made by the election of either a black or female president, provided the candidate met my standards in other respects.  I strongly supported Sen. Clinton&#039;s candidacy.  Am I angry about the outcome? No. Am I disappointed? Thoroughly.  Am I disgusted? Yes, that too.&lt;br&gt;     Up to this point in my life, the Democratic Party has yet to field a nominee for the presidency who I felt was less desirable than the Republican candidate.  Part of that is my support, in general, for the principles of the Democratic Party, but even considering only such factors as experience, positions on issues, and leadership qualities, I have always felt that the Democratic nominees offered more.  That will apparently change in 2008.&lt;br&gt;     My problem is not so much Clinton&#039;s defeat as Obama&#039;s victory.  In my opinion, Barack Obama is easily the least qualified and least desirable candidate that the Democratic Party has fielded at any time in my lifetime.  He has a paucity of experience, his foreign policy positions are frighteningly neoconservative, he disdains working class Americans, his healthcare plan is inferior, he has no experience in creating or protecting American jobs, and, in fact, has no executive level experience.  Prior to his present campaign, he has never been responsible for anything more substantial than a classroom.  I am disgusted that the Democratic Party would offer such a weak candidate at such a watershed time in American history.&lt;br&gt;     If and when Barack Obama sews up the Democratic nomination, I will attach to my car, with some sorrow, a newly ordered bumper-sticker reading &quot;Democrat for John McCain.&quot;  My vote in November will be based neither on skin color nor bitterness over Clinton&#039;s defeat or how the respective campaigns were conducted.  My vote will reflect only my best judgment about who among the major party nominees offers the best credentials for the presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a lifelong, newly-retired, RI Democrat, white, male, and liberal.  Neither race nor gender is important to me in choosing a presidential candidate, though I acknowledge that I would enjoy seeing history made by the election of either a black or female president, provided the candidate met my standards in other respects.  I strongly supported Sen. Clinton&#39;s candidacy.  Am I angry about the outcome? No. Am I disappointed? Thoroughly.  Am I disgusted? Yes, that too.<br />     Up to this point in my life, the Democratic Party has yet to field a nominee for the presidency who I felt was less desirable than the Republican candidate.  Part of that is my support, in general, for the principles of the Democratic Party, but even considering only such factors as experience, positions on issues, and leadership qualities, I have always felt that the Democratic nominees offered more.  That will apparently change in 2008.<br />     My problem is not so much Clinton&#39;s defeat as Obama&#39;s victory.  In my opinion, Barack Obama is easily the least qualified and least desirable candidate that the Democratic Party has fielded at any time in my lifetime.  He has a paucity of experience, his foreign policy positions are frighteningly neoconservative, he disdains working class Americans, his healthcare plan is inferior, he has no experience in creating or protecting American jobs, and, in fact, has no executive level experience.  Prior to his present campaign, he has never been responsible for anything more substantial than a classroom.  I am disgusted that the Democratic Party would offer such a weak candidate at such a watershed time in American history.<br />     If and when Barack Obama sews up the Democratic nomination, I will attach to my car, with some sorrow, a newly ordered bumper-sticker reading &#8220;Democrat for John McCain.&#8221;  My vote in November will be based neither on skin color nor bitterness over Clinton&#39;s defeat or how the respective campaigns were conducted.  My vote will reflect only my best judgment about who among the major party nominees offers the best credentials for the presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not inviting her to be his running mate is not an oversight&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LOL.  Joe, that&#039;s true... and it&#039;s interesting that there are rumors of Biden being Sec. of State and Edwards as AG.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of Obama&#039;s biggest problems are all those alarming comments made by Wright, his wife Michelle, and others.  Plus the whole flag pin lapel flap.  Those comments and the attack on Obama&#039;s patriotism make people think that Obama&#039;s closest advisors (i.e. Wright once was as his pastor) are the lunatic fringe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The best way for Obama to deflect this is for him to start naming who will be in his cabinet (not now- probably wait until Sept).  Once people see that Obama&#039;s cabinet consists of Biden, Edwards, maybe some Republicans, etc.  They will see that Obama&#039;s advisors are not folks like Wright or folks like Pfleger.  I&#039;m not suggesting that Obama name everyone before the election, but he can start.  And if he says he&#039;ll have Republicans in his cabinet (and names some Repubs before the election), then he solidifies himself as someone who truly wants to work across party lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not inviting her to be his running mate is not an oversight&#8221;.</p>
<p>LOL.  Joe, that&#39;s true&#8230; and it&#39;s interesting that there are rumors of Biden being Sec. of State and Edwards as AG.  </p>
<p>One of Obama&#39;s biggest problems are all those alarming comments made by Wright, his wife Michelle, and others.  Plus the whole flag pin lapel flap.  Those comments and the attack on Obama&#39;s patriotism make people think that Obama&#39;s closest advisors (i.e. Wright once was as his pastor) are the lunatic fringe.</p>
<p>The best way for Obama to deflect this is for him to start naming who will be in his cabinet (not now- probably wait until Sept).  Once people see that Obama&#39;s cabinet consists of Biden, Edwards, maybe some Republicans, etc.  They will see that Obama&#39;s advisors are not folks like Wright or folks like Pfleger.  I&#39;m not suggesting that Obama name everyone before the election, but he can start.  And if he says he&#39;ll have Republicans in his cabinet (and names some Repubs before the election), then he solidifies himself as someone who truly wants to work across party lines.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryan, just a quick thought on your comment about not understanding the anger at the RBC&#039;s meeting yesterday and Ickes...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, it is Hillary who has yet again turned to divisiveness to support her and hurt Obama.  Hillary has stoked the flames of anger and resent of her supporters against the DNC and Obama.  Hillary agreed with the disposition of the FL and MI races until it became obvious that she needed those states.  The only way to get the DNC to re-open the issue and give her more of those delegates she needed was to encourage the &quot;disenfranchisement anger&quot; among her supporters.  If she really wanted the votes to count in the first place she would have stood up for those states last year.  But she didn&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is yet another example of why I don&#039;t support Hillary at all and why so many Americans find her to be divisive and approx. half have said (as of last year before the contests and her actions) that they will not vote for her.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Hillary were really interested in party unity and not just her own interests in gaining power, she would stand up sometime before Tuesday and say something like, &quot;The DNC has ruled on the FL and MI contests and reached a decision.  It is a great decision and fair to all those involved.  It allows FL and MI to have a voice in this historic primary and has also increased the number of my delegates who will be going to Denver to support me.  Now we are able to focus our attention on continuing this fight and taking it to the people of Montana and South Dakota.  After they vote on Tuesday we will have even more delegates to stand behind me.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But Hillary needs to say this before Tuesday so her supporters will view the DNC&#039;s decision as fair and final.  Then when she does finally concede, her &quot;defeat&quot; will be seen as truly what it is, which is that she just didn&#039;t have the same support in popular vote or delegates as Obama does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryan, just a quick thought on your comment about not understanding the anger at the RBC&#39;s meeting yesterday and Ickes&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, it is Hillary who has yet again turned to divisiveness to support her and hurt Obama.  Hillary has stoked the flames of anger and resent of her supporters against the DNC and Obama.  Hillary agreed with the disposition of the FL and MI races until it became obvious that she needed those states.  The only way to get the DNC to re-open the issue and give her more of those delegates she needed was to encourage the &#8220;disenfranchisement anger&#8221; among her supporters.  If she really wanted the votes to count in the first place she would have stood up for those states last year.  But she didn&#39;t.</p>
<p>This is yet another example of why I don&#39;t support Hillary at all and why so many Americans find her to be divisive and approx. half have said (as of last year before the contests and her actions) that they will not vote for her.</p>
<p>If Hillary were really interested in party unity and not just her own interests in gaining power, she would stand up sometime before Tuesday and say something like, &#8220;The DNC has ruled on the FL and MI contests and reached a decision.  It is a great decision and fair to all those involved.  It allows FL and MI to have a voice in this historic primary and has also increased the number of my delegates who will be going to Denver to support me.  Now we are able to focus our attention on continuing this fight and taking it to the people of Montana and South Dakota.  After they vote on Tuesday we will have even more delegates to stand behind me.&#8221;</p>
<p>But Hillary needs to say this before Tuesday so her supporters will view the DNC&#39;s decision as fair and final.  Then when she does finally concede, her &#8220;defeat&#8221; will be seen as truly what it is, which is that she just didn&#39;t have the same support in popular vote or delegates as Obama does.</p>
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		<dc:creator>the popular vote for montana</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching the DNC proceedings, I  got the impression that the infamous Pfleger might have hit on a kernel of truth.  There does seem to be a feeling of entitlement among  Clinton supporters., i.e. &#039;this is mine.&#039;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if Hillary&#039;s fight were totally altruistic and she is just doing what  she thinks is best for the D Party (and the country),  being right is not a recognized basis for being chosen.  There is still the democratic process to get through,  and  that&#039;s why bad presidents take offoce at times.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where do they get the sense of entitlement if not from Hillary?.  ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the DNC proceedings, I  got the impression that the infamous Pfleger might have hit on a kernel of truth.  There does seem to be a feeling of entitlement among  Clinton supporters., i.e. &#39;this is mine.&#39;  </p>
<p>Even if Hillary&#39;s fight were totally altruistic and she is just doing what  she thinks is best for the D Party (and the country),  being right is not a recognized basis for being chosen.  There is still the democratic process to get through,  and  that&#39;s why bad presidents take offoce at times.</p>
<p>Where do they get the sense of entitlement if not from Hillary?.  ,</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Tully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Tully.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She might insist on bartender, Jim. Less actual work. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She might insist on bartender, Jim. Less actual work. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AustinRoth,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    Because it&#039;s really the fault of his evil Democratic apprentice, Howard Wolfson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AustinRoth,</p>
<p>    Because it&#39;s really the fault of his evil Democratic apprentice, Howard Wolfson.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tully, Tully, Tully. Lucrezia would never accept the P.M. slot. She&#039;d insist that her background qualifies her, and only here, to be his personal chef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tully, Tully, Tully. Lucrezia would never accept the P.M. slot. She&#39;d insist that her background qualifies her, and only here, to be his personal chef.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am waiting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why hasn&#039;t Karl Rove been blamed for this fiasco yet?</description>
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<p>Why hasn&#39;t Karl Rove been blamed for this fiasco yet?</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched a bit of the rules committee meeting, and what I didn&#039;t understand was why there was so much anger.  Ickes seemed genuinely upset in arguing that 600,000 people who voted in a primary that was declared (in advance) to be meaningless were having their votes &quot;taken away from them&quot;.  Those in the audience who were yelling and arguing with committee members were worked up into a total frenzy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The complaints from protesters seemed to fall into two categories: first, that their votes were being taken away from them (and most of those people weren&#039;t from Florida or Michigan) and second, that the Democrats were throwing away the election (followed by chants of &quot;McCain, McCain...&quot;).  Since it seems like there must be other reasons I read some of the comments on the Taylor Marsh site, and the posters there just seem to genuinely HATE Obama as they feel he ran a negative smear campaign against Hillary, utilized dirty tactics, and has pulled off a massive con job on those who voted for him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do a significant percentage of Hillary supporters feel this way?  My mother voted Hillary, but that vote was due mostly to name-recognition, and given a second chance I&#039;m certain she would vote for Obama.  Aside from her I don&#039;t know any Clinton voters (I&#039;m in the under-40, college-educated demographic that tilts heavily to Obama), but are there a significant number of Clinton voters who are really this angry about the outcome of the primaries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a bit of the rules committee meeting, and what I didn&#39;t understand was why there was so much anger.  Ickes seemed genuinely upset in arguing that 600,000 people who voted in a primary that was declared (in advance) to be meaningless were having their votes &#8220;taken away from them&#8221;.  Those in the audience who were yelling and arguing with committee members were worked up into a total frenzy.</p>
<p>The complaints from protesters seemed to fall into two categories: first, that their votes were being taken away from them (and most of those people weren&#39;t from Florida or Michigan) and second, that the Democrats were throwing away the election (followed by chants of &#8220;McCain, McCain&#8230;&#8221;).  Since it seems like there must be other reasons I read some of the comments on the Taylor Marsh site, and the posters there just seem to genuinely HATE Obama as they feel he ran a negative smear campaign against Hillary, utilized dirty tactics, and has pulled off a massive con job on those who voted for him.</p>
<p>Do a significant percentage of Hillary supporters feel this way?  My mother voted Hillary, but that vote was due mostly to name-recognition, and given a second chance I&#39;m certain she would vote for Obama.  Aside from her I don&#39;t know any Clinton voters (I&#39;m in the under-40, college-educated demographic that tilts heavily to Obama), but are there a significant number of Clinton voters who are really this angry about the outcome of the primaries?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;VP is right out--Obama might as well hire Lucrezia Borgia as his personal masseuse&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ROFL love it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Still, as much as I cringe at the thought, the VP slot might be the only way out for Obama. Why? Because it&#039;s the only way Hillary&#039;s supporters (or anyone) will believe her to be sincere in campaigning for him. Obama MUST tie Clinton&#039;s political future to his own, because as much as I dislike Hillary, she is an unbelievable fighter and will fight hard for him if it means something good for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;VP is right out&#8211;Obama might as well hire Lucrezia Borgia as his personal masseuse&#8221;</p>
<p>ROFL love it.</p>
<p>Still, as much as I cringe at the thought, the VP slot might be the only way out for Obama. Why? Because it&#39;s the only way Hillary&#39;s supporters (or anyone) will believe her to be sincere in campaigning for him. Obama MUST tie Clinton&#39;s political future to his own, because as much as I dislike Hillary, she is an unbelievable fighter and will fight hard for him if it means something good for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And now the predictions and questions have started.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I started &lt;a href=&quot;http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/2008_election/why_clinton_hasnt_quit&quot;&gt;my predictions&lt;/a&gt; weeks ago.  So far I seem to be batting close to 1.000. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The nomination remains in the hands of the party insiders, the superdelegates. Clinton retains the power to destroy--or enhance--Obama&#039;s chances in the general election. He needs her actively and wholly on his side to be able to win in key states and somewhat repair the damage done in Michigan and Florida. She is highly unlikely to give up her Senate seat for a you-can-be-fired cabinet post that would cut her out of the limelight. VP is right out--Obama might as well hire Lucrezia Borgia as his personal masseuse. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the Obama campaign wants to actually win in the fall, they&#039;re going to have to up their bid. If they want Clinton&#039;s vote base, being condescending to the little woman is NOT a good approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And now the predictions and questions have started.</i></p>
<p>I started <a href="http://stubbornfacts.us/politics/2008_election/why_clinton_hasnt_quit">my predictions</a> weeks ago.  So far I seem to be batting close to 1.000. </p>
<p>The nomination remains in the hands of the party insiders, the superdelegates. Clinton retains the power to destroy&#8211;or enhance&#8211;Obama&#39;s chances in the general election. He needs her actively and wholly on his side to be able to win in key states and somewhat repair the damage done in Michigan and Florida. She is highly unlikely to give up her Senate seat for a you-can-be-fired cabinet post that would cut her out of the limelight. VP is right out&#8211;Obama might as well hire Lucrezia Borgia as his personal masseuse. </p>
<p>If the Obama campaign wants to actually win in the fall, they&#39;re going to have to up their bid. If they want Clinton&#39;s vote base, being condescending to the little woman is NOT a good approach.</p>
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