e.g. In working with vets who are fairly well blown to bits; the men and women who lead them, many of them 'amputees'. and having paraplegia themselves, place empahsis on getting past and learning to live with. My personal experience is they are deeply spiritual, often emphasize bridging and reconciliation with those they understand/ know/ believe harmed them. I've humbly learned much from them.

Presently, I would like to speak to Cardinal George, because I have a question that I've had for a long time I wish could be answered… so that I could understand… I'd like to ask what is the difference between black liberation theology and chicano libaeration theology, and central american liberation theology which were suppressed and betrayed and battered by the higher ups of the Church. I'd like to know how the same emphasis elsewhere was condemned by the ecclasiastics, and how it is seen as different in the archdiocese of Chicago now. The breaking of liberation theology in El Salvador and Guatemala in particular, caused, I believe, the slaughter of group after group of indigenous people, as well as the desaparcidos, thousands and thousands abducted, murdered, never found.

For me personally, that's why my heart would like a substantive answer that is not facile nor patronizing nor defensive. I lived with the Kiche and Katchiquels and Salvadorians, and several Mexican groups in the 1960s. If liberation theology in the Catholic church is still alive, I would like to know if it's because they learned that without it, there was, and for absolute naught, so so much bloodshed of innocent souls.

dr.e

Don't the victims get a vote in saying when it's over.?
Now it's going beyond telling other people how to talk and walk and speak, now we are prescribing how they must FEEL.

From a psychological point of view, allowing people to express their pain, past and present, is good therapy, conducive to freeing people to go forward. We visit gravesites. like old wounds, to mourn anew, to remember and honor, and then we feel lighter at heart to go on with out lives.

LOOKING BACK DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN'T GO FORWARD

We just observed Memorial Day. What does that say about us, then? That we're hopelssly stuck in the past, forever re-fighting old wars, so we are incapable of dealing with current problems? WE DO BOTH. WE LOOK BACK AND LOOK FORWARS.

We don't watch the Daily Show for its news content. It just feels good to see some sacred cows taken down a peg. We laugh, and applaud, and then we go on with our lives.
But when the congregants at Trinity laugh and applaud when some of the sacred cows associated with their past are taken down a peg , it's suddently seen as something sinister. This church must be investigated.!

Why is this church and its congregants held to a different standard ?
Is there something scary about the possibility that they might be just like other groups of people, someitmes wise and sometimes badly mistaken, with some great leaders and others who don't serve their best interests?

We just went through a whole saga about poor, white small town Americans, with their prejudices and clinging to their ways. But they were a group the candidates were admonished to readh out to.
But not Trinity Church! No reaching out here!
Investigate, denoune and reject!, instead.

Are they organizing riots? Are they preparing for a revolution? No, because they're too busy conducitng community programs to save some youths, so they,, too, can look forward.

There is too much sanctimonious pontification and too little honest reflection.
And it alarms and repels me.

BTW, for the resurrection to occur,, the flagellation and death had to coccur.
You can put the accent where you want, but you can't ignore unpleasant parts of the story.

Obama has stood for talking to those you don't agree with in order to discuss and debate and ,ultimately to understand one another..
Trinity Church has been a good platform, where preachers with varying viewpoints could preach and enter into discussions with one another.

The church and Obama have both been pushed into untenable positions by the rabid wolves among us who only understand conflict, demonization and denunciation. 'Appropriate' speech and the adoration of symbols instead of substance have won.

I fear this means that no good flesh-and-blood man can ever emerge as a leader. The US demands paper cutouts and will likely get them.

And the country takes up positions in its warring camps.
It's a very sad day, indeed.