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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19985/the-obama-dream-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-148817</link>
		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the following point you made 100%, DLS:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If he gets into the White House, he can&#039;t just speak; he will have to act. We&#039;re all going to be waiting and asking ourselves, &quot;What is he going to do?&quot; Who will he bring aboard his cabinet and what will be his grand strategy? Will it just be to go along with the Dem-left powers in DC and approve what a powerful Democratic Congress (both houses) will push? What will he do independently in the area of foreign policy as well as in domestic policy? (What will his Cabinet start doing?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He has to act decisively on SOMETHING if he wins the Presidency.  Plain and simple.  The first black president (IF he wins) cannot afford to just tow party lines.  He has to make some lines.  &#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the following point you made 100%, DLS:</p>
<blockquote><p>If he gets into the White House, he can&#39;t just speak; he will have to act. We&#39;re all going to be waiting and asking ourselves, &#8220;What is he going to do?&#8221; Who will he bring aboard his cabinet and what will be his grand strategy? Will it just be to go along with the Dem-left powers in DC and approve what a powerful Democratic Congress (both houses) will push? What will he do independently in the area of foreign policy as well as in domestic policy? (What will his Cabinet start doing?)</p></blockquote>
<p>He has to act decisively on SOMETHING if he wins the Presidency.  Plain and simple.  The first black president (IF he wins) cannot afford to just tow party lines.  He has to make some lines.  &#39;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19985/the-obama-dream-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-148816</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;ve been waiting for a leader like Obama since I started noticing this whole process.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His speeches are sound bites and all his appeal to date has been &quot;packaging.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If he gets into the White House, he can&#039;t just speak; he will have to act.  We&#039;re all going to be waiting and asking ourselves, &quot;What is he going to do?&quot;  Who will he bring aboard his cabinet and what will be his grand strategy?  Will it just be to go along with the Dem-left powers in DC and approve what a powerful Democratic Congress (both houses) will push?  What will he do independently in the area of foreign policy as well as in domestic policy? (What will his Cabinet start doing?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To what extent will this be different than the leftward lurch beginning in 1993 by the Clintons that rightfully resulted in the 1994 repudiation?  Or will it be more subdued or incrementalist, but with the same ambitious goals nevertheless?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We will have to wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#39;ve been waiting for a leader like Obama since I started noticing this whole process.&#8221;</p>
<p>His speeches are sound bites and all his appeal to date has been &#8220;packaging.&#8221;</p>
<p>If he gets into the White House, he can&#39;t just speak; he will have to act.  We&#39;re all going to be waiting and asking ourselves, &#8220;What is he going to do?&#8221;  Who will he bring aboard his cabinet and what will be his grand strategy?  Will it just be to go along with the Dem-left powers in DC and approve what a powerful Democratic Congress (both houses) will push?  What will he do independently in the area of foreign policy as well as in domestic policy? (What will his Cabinet start doing?)</p>
<p>To what extent will this be different than the leftward lurch beginning in 1993 by the Clintons that rightfully resulted in the 1994 repudiation?  Or will it be more subdued or incrementalist, but with the same ambitious goals nevertheless?</p>
<p>We will have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19985/the-obama-dream-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-148814</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Clinton Chroicles&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It pales in comparison to the Bush-bashing, including on this site (blaming Bush for Bhutto&#039;s assassination -- talk about a graveyard spiral in lieu of quality control!).  But it certainly illustrates the problem (as with Bush-bashing): the demonization nonsense (Bush, guns, Clinton&#039;s ties to the UN and Satan, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Clinton Chroicles&#8221;</p>
<p>It pales in comparison to the Bush-bashing, including on this site (blaming Bush for Bhutto&#39;s assassination &#8212; talk about a graveyard spiral in lieu of quality control!).  But it certainly illustrates the problem (as with Bush-bashing): the demonization nonsense (Bush, guns, Clinton&#39;s ties to the UN and Satan, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19985/the-obama-dream-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-148811</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just a huge swathe of black voters (they, not women, appear ready to leap the Final Hurdle this year), and far-left PC-darling cultists whose excesses give us saner people reason to question the lack of qualification of the suffrage (note the comma for the distinction between the two groups!).  People find Obama different (at least superficially) than what we&#039;ve seen since, oh, 1988 if you want to stretch the issue.  (McCain is lightweight and often antagonistic to the GOP and to non-liberals, negating the change he represents from the status quo.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not just a huge swathe of black voters (they, not women, appear ready to leap the Final Hurdle this year), and far-left PC-darling cultists whose excesses give us saner people reason to question the lack of qualification of the suffrage (note the comma for the distinction between the two groups!).  People find Obama different (at least superficially) than what we&#39;ve seen since, oh, 1988 if you want to stretch the issue.  (McCain is lightweight and often antagonistic to the GOP and to non-liberals, negating the change he represents from the status quo.)</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thoughtful, truthful piece T_steel. Many of us value hearing from pp who are not posturing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thoughtful, truthful piece T_steel. Many of us value hearing from pp who are not posturing. </p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obam has awakened the hopes of a lot of people, not just blacks.&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know if he can succeed, but his is the only voice speaking to the need  for a different process  in Washington politics.  &lt;br&gt;He is simply where I am:  not outside or in the fringes, but longing for real change.&lt;br&gt;Already he has elevated the tone, IMO, and I&#039;m banking on his ability to keep on in the same direction..  No miracles expected, just a hope that his way will be catching.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would love to hear a presidential address delivered a la Obama, instead of the partisan  and/or bullying  kind we&#039;ve had for too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obam has awakened the hopes of a lot of people, not just blacks.<br />I don&#39;t know if he can succeed, but his is the only voice speaking to the need  for a different process  in Washington politics.  <br />He is simply where I am:  not outside or in the fringes, but longing for real change.<br />Already he has elevated the tone, IMO, and I&#39;m banking on his ability to keep on in the same direction..  No miracles expected, just a hope that his way will be catching.  </p>
<p>I would love to hear a presidential address delivered a la Obama, instead of the partisan  and/or bullying  kind we&#39;ve had for too long.</p>
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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19985/the-obama-dream-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-148805</link>
		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Points taken Slamfu.  I singled out black voters simply because of the 90%+ support they give Obama and my &quot;browness&quot;.  I&#039;ve heard folks that are not black say similar to what you said Slamfu.  For all the flaws that Obama has (and he&#039;s no shoe-in vs. McCain IMHO) he has excited a large segment of the electorate even though he&#039;s new (and this isn&#039;t taking away for the equally large support of Senator Clinton).  But for a &quot;new dude&quot;, he&#039;s done unbelievably well so far.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interesting times ahead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Points taken Slamfu.  I singled out black voters simply because of the 90%+ support they give Obama and my &#8220;browness&#8221;.  I&#39;ve heard folks that are not black say similar to what you said Slamfu.  For all the flaws that Obama has (and he&#39;s no shoe-in vs. McCain IMHO) he has excited a large segment of the electorate even though he&#39;s new (and this isn&#39;t taking away for the equally large support of Senator Clinton).  But for a &#8220;new dude&#8221;, he&#39;s done unbelievably well so far.</p>
<p>Interesting times ahead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19985/the-obama-dream-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-148804</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama isn&#039;t just carrying the hopes of black voters.    I come from a very conservative white family and graduated high school in &#039;93.   What really made me start to notice politics   by the mid-late 90&#039;s was the utter vitriol against Bill Clinton from the likes of Rush, Coulter and their fellow talking heads.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At first I thought maybe it had some merit but then I sat down and watched(thanks dad) The Clinton Chroicles.   After that laughable piece of garbage I realized two things.   First, there are people who will fabricate and mislead to any extent to get their case made.  Second, there are millions of people dumb enough to buy into anything as long as it touches on things they already believe, regardless of likely or tangible facts to the contrary.   These same people will often not lift a finger to verify this information even if its veracity has a strong bearing on their lives.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then I noticed it was everywhere, altho often in smaller degrees.  Our leaders simply deflecting questions by changing topics, and going after eachother with a visciousness that was very very bad for this country.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been waiting for a leader like Obama since I started noticing this whole process.  He actually answers questions put to him as opposed to deflecting to talking points he polls strongly in, he seems to be right the first time on issues, and he actually takes stands with a long term solution in mind instead of the quick fixes that fit well into sound bites.   From his initial stance on Iraq which was as dead on as you can get, to his rebuff of the silly gax tax proposal, and just about every issue in between I&#039;ve heard from him, the man just gets it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So to that burden you mentioned please add a white man&#039;s hopes that we have a real leader this go around, one who will actually gets the other leaders to work together to solve problems instead of just manage our perceptions of them, whose got the patience and intelligence and balls to lead instead of just follow from the front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama isn&#39;t just carrying the hopes of black voters.    I come from a very conservative white family and graduated high school in &#39;93.   What really made me start to notice politics   by the mid-late 90&#39;s was the utter vitriol against Bill Clinton from the likes of Rush, Coulter and their fellow talking heads.   </p>
<p>At first I thought maybe it had some merit but then I sat down and watched(thanks dad) The Clinton Chroicles.   After that laughable piece of garbage I realized two things.   First, there are people who will fabricate and mislead to any extent to get their case made.  Second, there are millions of people dumb enough to buy into anything as long as it touches on things they already believe, regardless of likely or tangible facts to the contrary.   These same people will often not lift a finger to verify this information even if its veracity has a strong bearing on their lives.</p>
<p>Then I noticed it was everywhere, altho often in smaller degrees.  Our leaders simply deflecting questions by changing topics, and going after eachother with a visciousness that was very very bad for this country.   </p>
<p>I&#39;ve been waiting for a leader like Obama since I started noticing this whole process.  He actually answers questions put to him as opposed to deflecting to talking points he polls strongly in, he seems to be right the first time on issues, and he actually takes stands with a long term solution in mind instead of the quick fixes that fit well into sound bites.   From his initial stance on Iraq which was as dead on as you can get, to his rebuff of the silly gax tax proposal, and just about every issue in between I&#39;ve heard from him, the man just gets it.  </p>
<p>So to that burden you mentioned please add a white man&#39;s hopes that we have a real leader this go around, one who will actually gets the other leaders to work together to solve problems instead of just manage our perceptions of them, whose got the patience and intelligence and balls to lead instead of just follow from the front.</p>
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