Comments on: Principal Resigns Rather Than Allow Gay/Straight Alliance http://themoderatevoice.com/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:27:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/comment-page-1/#comment-131100 StockBoySF Fri, 23 May 2008 05:55:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/homosexuality/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/#comment-131100 ChrisWWW, I'm not sure one could make a reasonable argument against the a "sexuality" based high school club. After all HS is all about male/female teen sexuality (think Prom and King/Queen) and dating among straights... the administration and teaches don't tell a guy that he can't date a girl. <br><br>Whereas gays and lesbians are discriminated against, beaten up and even killed for who they are (and it's not a "choice" they made)... Given the bias towards "straights" in high school, I think it's discriminatory and abuse to refuse "non-straights" who need it a safe environment in which to gather. A gay club does not mean a "swingers'" club but rather a place to go where one can find comfort and discuss issues in a safe environment.<br><br>So I don't think a reasonable argument can be made against gay clubs, but that's just my opinion. ChrisWWW, I'm not sure one could make a reasonable argument against the a “sexuality” based high school club. After all HS is all about male/female teen sexuality (think Prom and King/Queen) and dating among straights… the administration and teaches don't tell a guy that he can't date a girl.

Whereas gays and lesbians are discriminated against, beaten up and even killed for who they are (and it's not a “choice” they made)… Given the bias towards “straights” in high school, I think it's discriminatory and abuse to refuse “non-straights” who need it a safe environment in which to gather. A gay club does not mean a “swingers'” club but rather a place to go where one can find comfort and discuss issues in a safe environment.

So I don't think a reasonable argument can be made against gay clubs, but that's just my opinion.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/comment-page-1/#comment-131093 ChrisWWW Thu, 22 May 2008 22:02:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/homosexuality/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/#comment-131093 David,<br>I agree 100%. I don't agree with the argument I made, just with the idea that it could be made reasonably :-) David,
I agree 100%. I don't agree with the argument I made, just with the idea that it could be made reasonably :-)

]]> By: schraubd http://themoderatevoice.com/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/comment-page-1/#comment-131084 schraubd Thu, 22 May 2008 21:34:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/homosexuality/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/#comment-131084 ChrisWWW: While I admit (and this might just me being younger) that I general have trouble bringing myself to get the vapors over teen sexuality, I think one could plausibly argue in favor of the polyamory/monogamy club so long as it was making a <i>political</i> claim, and wasn't just a swinger's club. Political expression is, imo, a good thing, and that remains true even if what they're expressing is not popular. I think an "end the drug war" group in high schools would make an excellent counterbalance to the "zero tolerance" psychosis we've been seeing in public schools recently. ChrisWWW: While I admit (and this might just me being younger) that I general have trouble bringing myself to get the vapors over teen sexuality, I think one could plausibly argue in favor of the polyamory/monogamy club so long as it was making a political claim, and wasn't just a swinger's club. Political expression is, imo, a good thing, and that remains true even if what they're expressing is not popular. I think an “end the drug war” group in high schools would make an excellent counterbalance to the “zero tolerance” psychosis we've been seeing in public schools recently.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/comment-page-1/#comment-131083 DLS Thu, 22 May 2008 21:20:56 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/homosexuality/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/#comment-131083 While you've usually been wrong in the past, this time you're probably right. (The only questions are regarding the authority and propriety of the decision of the district administration.) The guy probably did the right thing to leave rather than to make trouble -- or to resist, be fired, and file a lawsuit, as is the case here:<br><br>[note reader remarks]<br><br><a href="http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080517/NEWS/444749614">http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...</a> While you've usually been wrong in the past, this time you're probably right. (The only questions are regarding the authority and propriety of the decision of the district administration.) The guy probably did the right thing to leave rather than to make trouble — or to resist, be fired, and file a lawsuit, as is the case here:

[note reader remarks]

http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti…

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/comment-page-1/#comment-131080 ChrisWWW Thu, 22 May 2008 21:13:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/homosexuality/19838/principal-resigns-rather-than-allow-gaystraight-alliance/#comment-131080 <blockquote>Obviously, I find the principal's argument against the GSA very wrong-headed -- particularly his apparent belief that the GSA is equivalent to a sex club. The inability of many people to separate homosexuality from homosexual sex remains very disconcerting and a major barrier to equalization efforts.</blockquote><br><br>That he thinks the GSA is some sort of Studio 54 is a little disconcerting. But I could see a reasonable argument being made that there shouldn't be "sexuality" based high school clubs. Would you ban a monogamous/polyamorous alliance from being a club? I don't know. However, that doesn't take into account the gender identity component of the GSA club.

Obviously, I find the principal's argument against the GSA very wrong-headed — particularly his apparent belief that the GSA is equivalent to a sex club. The inability of many people to separate homosexuality from homosexual sex remains very disconcerting and a major barrier to equalization efforts.

That he thinks the GSA is some sort of Studio 54 is a little disconcerting. But I could see a reasonable argument being made that there shouldn't be “sexuality” based high school clubs. Would you ban a monogamous/polyamorous alliance from being a club? I don't know. However, that doesn't take into account the gender identity component of the GSA club.

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