Comments on: Ellen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ellen mccain http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-112518 ellen mccain Fri, 23 May 2008 15:03:15 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-112518 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: vwcat http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129562 vwcat Fri, 23 May 2008 02:49:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129562 Great post.<br>I am a 50 year old woman and I have been supporting Obama since the beginning.<br>I find Obama to be someone who supports and stands up for women and is someone who stands for the rights of all people.<br>I really wish some of the hyper Hillary supporters could read about Obama's mother and the person she was. She was simply an inspiring and trailblazing woman who worked to help women in poor countries. Amazing woman who shaped obama's views. Great post.
I am a 50 year old woman and I have been supporting Obama since the beginning.
I find Obama to be someone who supports and stands up for women and is someone who stands for the rights of all people.
I really wish some of the hyper Hillary supporters could read about Obama's mother and the person she was. She was simply an inspiring and trailblazing woman who worked to help women in poor countries. Amazing woman who shaped obama's views.

]]> By: Jillmz http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129561 Jillmz Fri, 23 May 2008 01:58:39 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129561 Jim and Lynx - interesting. Bravo is usually pretty impeccable - wonder what she was looking at. Jim and Lynx – interesting. Bravo is usually pretty impeccable – wonder what she was looking at.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129560 DLS Fri, 23 May 2008 00:44:14 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129560 "he will NOT campaign in favor of a constitutional ban"<br><br>1. A constitutional ban is silly. So many things belong left to states and localities...<br><br>2. As he is the next Dole, please, please, may he not begin to carry the Tenth Amendment (something Dole was no true supporter of) in his pocket (or begin using third person when talking about himself). Even for those of us who aren't fans of him to begin with, we'll notice such a thing and it is ... a form of torture. “he will NOT campaign in favor of a constitutional ban”

1. A constitutional ban is silly. So many things belong left to states and localities…

2. As he is the next Dole, please, please, may he not begin to carry the Tenth Amendment (something Dole was no true supporter of) in his pocket (or begin using third person when talking about himself). Even for those of us who aren't fans of him to begin with, we'll notice such a thing and it is … a form of torture.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129558 DLS Fri, 23 May 2008 00:41:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129558 "And somehow being willing to restrict rights on a state by state basis isn't something I view as being all that different than doing it on a federal basis. That's [...] hypocrisy"<br><br>There's nothing hypocritical about the distinction if you understand the constitution and know what constitutional federalism is about, which has nothing to do with Ron Paul and his group (so don't bother building any flimsy straw man in response).. Albeit few people know much, if any, about these things and worse still, even if they have some knowledge, have little to no respect for such things. That's the modern way (with roots going back to the nineteen-thirties and taking real flower in the 1960s). “And somehow being willing to restrict rights on a state by state basis isn't something I view as being all that different than doing it on a federal basis. That's [...] hypocrisy”

There's nothing hypocritical about the distinction if you understand the constitution and know what constitutional federalism is about, which has nothing to do with Ron Paul and his group (so don't bother building any flimsy straw man in response).. Albeit few people know much, if any, about these things and worse still, even if they have some knowledge, have little to no respect for such things. That's the modern way (with roots going back to the nineteen-thirties and taking real flower in the 1960s).

]]> By: Jim_Satterfield http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129557 Jim_Satterfield Thu, 22 May 2008 23:49:03 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129557 Lynx is right concerning the federal constitutional amendment so far as I know but is the constitutional amendment against gay marriage one of those items he's changed his mind on? It wouldn't surprise me if he had. And he did support the one in Arizona strongly. And somehow being willing to restrict rights on a state by state basis isn't something I view as being all that different than doing it on a federal basis. That's one of the bits of hypocrisy that annoys me about Ron Paul and his followers. Lynx is right concerning the federal constitutional amendment so far as I know but is the constitutional amendment against gay marriage one of those items he's changed his mind on? It wouldn't surprise me if he had. And he did support the one in Arizona strongly. And somehow being willing to restrict rights on a state by state basis isn't something I view as being all that different than doing it on a federal basis. That's one of the bits of hypocrisy that annoys me about Ron Paul and his followers.

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129554 Lynx Thu, 22 May 2008 23:41:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129554 "He supports a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage"<br><br>Untrue, so far as I'm aware. McCain has said that he opposes gay marriage but thinks the matter should be left up to the states, and has said that he will NOT campaign in favor of a constitutional ban.<br><br>This is not to undermine the argument of why Clinton voters should vote for Obama, but I think keeping things accurate is important. Women (and men) who voted for Clinton instead of Obama should vote for Obama for a very simple reason. If Clinton supporters supported her mainly because of her policy positions, then it is ABSURD to consider voting for McCain over Obama, as McCain is lightyears from her political position and Obama is pretty close. <br><br>Personally, I would never consider the fact that a candidate was female in my vote, though I admit I'll be pleased when I'm able to vote for a candidate for president who I think is the best and happens to be female. However, for those women for whom this has been more about gender, and who feel offended by sexism in the campaign (leaving aside whether I agree it was there or not) now what we've got left are two men with very different positions. You have to vote, otherwise you have no voice, and you should vote for the candidate that best represents your positions. If you're a Clinton voter, that's almost certainly Obama. “He supports a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage”

Untrue, so far as I'm aware. McCain has said that he opposes gay marriage but thinks the matter should be left up to the states, and has said that he will NOT campaign in favor of a constitutional ban.

This is not to undermine the argument of why Clinton voters should vote for Obama, but I think keeping things accurate is important. Women (and men) who voted for Clinton instead of Obama should vote for Obama for a very simple reason. If Clinton supporters supported her mainly because of her policy positions, then it is ABSURD to consider voting for McCain over Obama, as McCain is lightyears from her political position and Obama is pretty close.

Personally, I would never consider the fact that a candidate was female in my vote, though I admit I'll be pleased when I'm able to vote for a candidate for president who I think is the best and happens to be female. However, for those women for whom this has been more about gender, and who feel offended by sexism in the campaign (leaving aside whether I agree it was there or not) now what we've got left are two men with very different positions. You have to vote, otherwise you have no voice, and you should vote for the candidate that best represents your positions. If you're a Clinton voter, that's almost certainly Obama.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129552 DLS Thu, 22 May 2008 21:42:33 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129552 Take Bush-bashing, replace "Bush" with "McCain," add "another Bush, the next Bush" monumental straw man, and you've proved P.T. Barnum correct yet again with a lot of Dem-voting suckers. Take Bush-bashing, replace “Bush” with “McCain,” add “another Bush, the next Bush” monumental straw man, and you've proved P.T. Barnum correct yet again with a lot of Dem-voting suckers.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129551 ChrisWWW Thu, 22 May 2008 21:15:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129551 For being so nice, I'll give you some "clout" :-) For being so nice, I'll give you some “clout” :-)

]]> By: Jillmz http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129548 Jillmz Thu, 22 May 2008 21:10:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129548 LOL - just shows to go, huh?! LOL – just shows to go, huh?!

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129546 ChrisWWW Thu, 22 May 2008 21:06:47 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129546 Double "Wow." I don't know how that happened. <br><br>When I first used this system I was commenting here and at Ed Morrissey's old Captain's Quarters blog. His supporters dutifully gave me negative marks on every comment I wrote, even though I tried to be thoughtful and cordial. To make a long story short, last time I checked my "clout" it was negative 20-something. Double “Wow.” I don't know how that happened.

When I first used this system I was commenting here and at Ed Morrissey's old Captain's Quarters blog. His supporters dutifully gave me negative marks on every comment I wrote, even though I tried to be thoughtful and cordial. To make a long story short, last time I checked my “clout” it was negative 20-something.

]]> By: Jillmz http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129545 Jillmz Thu, 22 May 2008 20:48:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129545 Chris - how do you have 46 Disqus or whatever points! Wow. People must really like you. :) Chris – how do you have 46 Disqus or whatever points! Wow. People must really like you. :)

]]> By: Jillmz http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129542 Jillmz Thu, 22 May 2008 20:47:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129542 Thanks, both. I really like Ellen Bravo's work and perspective. She's not loony or extremist at all but, IMO, very matter of fact about what we need to do to improve our condition - EVERYONE's condition. I haven't yet read her book, Taking on the Big Boys, but I can't wait to. I did interview her a week ago but haven't had a chance to put up the transcript (so much else going on!!) But I really hope I have it done tonight or tomorrow). Thanks, both. I really like Ellen Bravo's work and perspective. She's not loony or extremist at all but, IMO, very matter of fact about what we need to do to improve our condition – EVERYONE's condition. I haven't yet read her book, Taking on the Big Boys, but I can't wait to. I did interview her a week ago but haven't had a chance to put up the transcript (so much else going on!!) But I really hope I have it done tonight or tomorrow).

]]> By: Kathryn http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129540 Kathryn Thu, 22 May 2008 20:36:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129540 Thanks for that post Jill, I apologize for my intemperate words earlier and agree with you and Pete for the need for civility from supporters on both sides. Terrific way to point out the common ground between Clinton and Obama supporters without pointing fingers or assigning blame. Thanks for that post Jill, I apologize for my intemperate words earlier and agree with you and Pete for the need for civility from supporters on both sides. Terrific way to point out the common ground between Clinton and Obama supporters without pointing fingers or assigning blame.

]]> By: ChrisWWW http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-129539 ChrisWWW Thu, 22 May 2008 20:36:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-129539 But if you vote for Obama you hate democracy! Zimbabwe! :-)<br><br>Nice article Jill. But if you vote for Obama you hate democracy! Zimbabwe! :-)

Nice article Jill.

]]> By: John McCain » Ellen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-112503 John McCain » Ellen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate Thu, 22 May 2008 19:14:47 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-112503 [...] Wonkette: The D.C. Gossip wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptEllen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate May 22nd, 2008 by JILL MILLER ZIMON From the blog of author Ellen Bravo of Taking on the Big Boys: Should Sen. Barack Obama emerge as the Democratic candidate, women have compelling reasons to support his candidacy. Here are my top ten: 10. Nearly half of women voting in the Democratic primaries already support Sen. Obama’s candidacy. CNN compiled exit polling data from all the states that held primaries [...] [...] Wonkette: The D.C. Gossip wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptEllen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate May 22nd, 2008 by JILL MILLER ZIMON From the blog of author Ellen Bravo of Taking on the Big Boys: Should Sen. Barack Obama emerge as the Democratic candidate, women have compelling reasons to support his candidacy. Here are my top ten: 10. Nearly half of women voting in the Democratic primaries already support Sen. Obama’s candidacy. CNN compiled exit polling data from all the states that held primaries [...]

]]> By: Barack Obama » Ellen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate http://themoderatevoice.com/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-112502 Barack Obama » Ellen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate Thu, 22 May 2008 19:06:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/john-mccain/19836/ellen-bravo-ten-compelling-reasons-for-women-to-vote-for-obama-if-hes-the-candidate/#comment-112502 [...] Barack Obama 2008 | positivelyBarack.com wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptEllen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate May 22nd, 2008 by JILL MILLER ZIMON From the blog of author Ellen Bravo of Taking on the Big Boys: Should Sen. Barack Obama emerge as the Democratic candidate, women have compelling reasons to support his candidacy. Here are my top ten: 10. Nearly half of women voting in the Democratic primaries already support Sen. Obama’s candidacy. CNN compiled exit polling data from all the states that held primaries [...] [...] Barack Obama 2008 | positivelyBarack.com wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptEllen Bravo: Ten Compelling Reasons for Women to Vote for Obama if he’s the Candidate May 22nd, 2008 by JILL MILLER ZIMON From the blog of author Ellen Bravo of Taking on the Big Boys: Should Sen. Barack Obama emerge as the Democratic candidate, women have compelling reasons to support his candidacy. Here are my top ten: 10. Nearly half of women voting in the Democratic primaries already support Sen. Obama’s candidacy. CNN compiled exit polling data from all the states that held primaries [...]

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