Comments on: What’s A Jewish Voter to Do?

By: DLS

DLS — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:05:15 +0000

“fantasy of creating democratic, which is to say pro-Israel and therefore pro-Western states, in the Middle East “

That's what the Left imagines and insists is instantly possible in place of Musharraf in Pakistan, if you parse their squawking about Pakistan (including the Bush-bashing cheap shots that go nowhere among the learned). How about a little consistency? Oh, that's such a stultifying, demanding, boring, conservative kind of thing…

By: DLS

DLS — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:56:09 +0000

Israel is not appeasing Syria necessarily, though the Olmert government is seen as weak and has little respect (not only for weakness but because of current scandals).

"The word has lost all meaning."

Not to the literate and informed.

Appeasement, particularly the granting of concessions to one's enemies to placate them, in exchange for nothing, or for worthless promises, makes no sense with Syria, Iran, or terrorist organizations, obviously. It cannot be given a high-minded illusion (though many believe and even support the illusion, especially if they want to believe the illusion, and especially if they wrongly consider the other party as "bad" or "wrong" as the USA views the USA and the West versus Iran) by saying it's "peaceful," or superior to "crude" confrontation, etc. ad nauseum. It cannot simply be subsumed glibly into the concept and word, "diplomacy." At least, more intelligent, mature people aren't fooled by this.

Israel is willing to compromise itself time after time in nearly a 100% one-way string of concessions to its enemies, at an enormous cost. I just hope Olmert and his government know what they're doing. Many people suspect they do not.

By: runasim

runasim — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:09:15 +0000

The fact that Israel is busy 'appeasing' Syria by negotiating with it, just goes to show how shallow the hysteria is in discussions about Israel.
Appeasing is simply whaever the other guy wants to do, but when I do it, it's something else. The word has lost all meaning.

The older Jewish voters in Florida are bing treated like idiots, incapable of understanding concepts deeper than breakfast.
They are not idiots, and if they were talked to honestly and openly instead of being used for political fodder, they would get what the meaning behind the words is.

By: DLS

DLS — Thu, 22 May 2008 16:42:07 +0000

[sigh] It's not they who are paranoid and exhibit the other problems you list. What projection these days!

For readers who want something more sane than Shaun's full-throttle current "stuff" to read, here's something much more valuable, both the article and the comments.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/...

By: Barack Obama » What’s A Jewish Voter to Do?

Barack Obama » What’s A Jewish Voter to Do? — Thu, 22 May 2008 13:35:31 +0000

[...] Right Voices wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptWhat’s A Jewish Voter to Do? May 22nd, 2008 by SHAUN MULLEN, TMV Columnist One can forgive Florida’s substantial Jewish population for being confused these days. One day George Bush hints in a speech to the Knesset that Barack Obama is a Neville Chamberlain-like appeaser who would talk to enemies of Israel and the next day Israel is talking to its enemy Syria. Were it only that simple. A New York Times story today reveals that Sunshine State Jews — and predominately older ones — to be not [...]